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Mossberg Unveils $276 “Tactical .22″
The Truth About Guns ^ | 23 September, 2009 | Robert Farago

Posted on 09/24/2010 8:45:36 AM PDT by marktwain

Mossberg’s unveiling its entry into the tactical .22 market with a product cleverly called the Tactical .22. Here’s the press release:

Mossberg International introduces the Tactical .22–an alternative firearm for those shooters and enthusiasts who want the look and feel of an AR-style .22 rimfire with an affordable price.

Mossberg knows its target market: price-driven firearms buyers (Hecho en Mexico baby!). It’s a bit surprising that they’re so late to the AR-style .22 game. Even slow-mo Smith & Wesson’s tapped the AR gestalt, with a damn nice product too: the M&P15-22, in both standard and CA-compliant version for around $500 – $600 bucks. The Mossie clocks in at roughly half the price. Right answer . . .

With the rising costs of centerfire ammunition, the new Tactical .22 rimfires are a great choice for recreational shooters, as well as those searching for a cost-effective training platform.

Ain’t that the truth. Well, maybe. While an AR .22′s trigger and general ergonomics would help sharpen a shooter’s full-size AR skills, there’s nothing like the recoil. In fact, you wouldn’t even call it recoil, and managing recoil is the Big Kahuna. Also, baby ARs weigh less. So . . . it’s not really the same, is it? There’s no substitute for training on the weapon you’re going to use with the ammo you’re going to fire.

Also, while .22 is as cheap as it gets, and Mossberg’s audience is into cheap, there are a lot of handgun-caliber carbines hitting the market at the moment. They’re a far better choice for less than 5.56 protection; you’d have to hit a human exactly in the right place or many times with .22s to do any damage.

The lightweight and fast-handling Tactical .22 parallels the look and feel of today’s AR-style rifle while being built around Mossberg International’s reliable .22 autoloader. Taking cues from their proven 702 autoloader, the Tactical .22 matches an 18” barrel to a quad rail forend allowing the operator to fit the rifle with lights, lasers or other tactical accessories.

Now we’re getting closer. It’s a toy gun that’s not really a toy but it is but it isn’t.

Two stock configurations will be offered in this series: a six-position adjustable and fixed stock. The six-position polymer stock adjusts the length of pull from 10-3/4” – 14.5” accommodating youth and smaller framed shooters up to adults. The fixed position stock has a standard 13” LOP. The Tactical .22 is integrated with an A2-style carry handle and an adjustable rear sight aligned with a front post sight.

Another smart move. No question: the Tactical 22 will be THE ultimate Christmas Story gift for an entire generation of young boys. I reckon that’s an extremely price-sensitive market, and Mossberg nails it.

The Picatinny handle mount is included, allowing versatility in scopes and other optics while providing the clearance necessary to utilize the AR-style sights. Other features included with the Tactical .22 are sling mounts and a ten round magazine.

The 10-round capacity sucks. A Henry Repeating Rifle gives you 16. But the Henry’s a heavy old thing and it doesn’t LOOK like an AR (Western vs. military). You can’t put lights and lasers and cup holders on a rifle that you use from a horse. It’s only a matter of time before someone offers a 30-round mag for this bad little boy. I wonder why Mossberg didn’t do it straight out of the gate. Lawyers. Bah.

MSRP: $276

There’s your headline attraction, although one wonder just how “cheap and cheerful” this product will be. If it’s a piece of junk for that price, well, who cares, really? Beggars can’t be choosers, even if they’re armed.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 22; ar15; banglist; mossberg
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"you’d have to hit a human exactly in the right place or many times with .22s to do any damage."

Robert overstates it a bit. While a .22 is not my first choice for a defensive gun, in most defensive situations, you need to have good deterrence, and you do not have to shoot. Better deterrence, less need to shoot. This .22 provides lots of deterrence!

3 .22s out of a rifle equal one 9mm out of a handgun. 6 are about like a .44 magnum. You can place six shots from a .22 rifle in less than a second.

1 posted on 09/24/2010 8:45:41 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wonder if Walmart will have them...


2 posted on 09/24/2010 8:48:11 AM PDT by refermech
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To: marktwain

Can you post a picture, I am blocked at work.


3 posted on 09/24/2010 8:48:41 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Profit should not be a dirty word in these United States of America)
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To: marktwain

It seems as though “tactical” and “.22” don’t belong together, but what do I know!


4 posted on 09/24/2010 8:48:48 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: marktwain

.22 can cause suprising damage to a human body.


5 posted on 09/24/2010 8:48:48 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: marktwain

My favorite ".22"...................

6 posted on 09/24/2010 8:49:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: rahbert

I can tell you this, I’d be ducking and running if someone was shooting a 22 at me.


7 posted on 09/24/2010 8:50:30 AM PDT by refermech
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To: marktwain

.22lr hollow points can wreak a lot of havoc.

This rifle should sell like hotcakes.


8 posted on 09/24/2010 8:51:39 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: marktwain

My choice of defensive gun in the home is my Remington 870 LH Wingmaster with the deer barrel. I don’t need six shots. Just one will do. Nothing chambered but the magazine is buck/slug/buck/slug. I might have to get off the first shot quickly so aiming could be an issue. If I need to get off a second shot, I will be dialed in...


9 posted on 09/24/2010 8:51:45 AM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: marktwain

Mossberg is not high on my list of firearms...Actually, it’s not on my list at all...I’d rather throw rocks than own a Mossberg.


10 posted on 09/24/2010 8:52:31 AM PDT by devane617 (November!)
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To: marktwain

CCI Stingers out of a 30 round Butler Creek steel lipped magazine in a Ruger 10-22 wouldn’t be my first choice, but I wouldn’t cross someone with that combo either. Point shooting someone right between the eyes with a 10-22, across a room would be relatively easy and would drop them right where they were standing.


11 posted on 09/24/2010 8:53:55 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Can a number cause illness? 'Cause I sure am sick of Zero.)
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To: Red Badger

We run 16” flat tops with Aimpoints, and telescoping stocks, of course.

Still, 5.56 x 45 is still a .22!


12 posted on 09/24/2010 8:54:15 AM PDT by benewton
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To: marktwain
From: My Blue Heaven starring Steve Martin as Vinny...

"Vincent 'Vinnie' Antonelli: Richie loved to use 22s because the bullets are small and they don't come out the other end like a 45, see, a 45 will blow a barn door out the back of your head and there's a lot of dry cleaning involved, but a 22 will just rattle around like Pac-Man until you're dead. "

13 posted on 09/24/2010 8:55:22 AM PDT by devane617 (November!)
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To: rahbert

I have a Sturm Ruger Mk 2 w/ the stainless steel “bull barrel”. I had some questions about the effectiveness as a home defensive weapon. A local shooter told me that with that gun I could barrage the assailant with a narrow cluster in a short amount of time. A number of .22 LR’s hitting within a second will do a lot of damage.

Fortunately I have not had to fire the gun in defense. There was one instance where someone was trying to break in by working open the bedroom window. The blinds were down so he could not see me. He did however hear me chamber a round. Next thing I heard was feet - getting the hey outathere.


14 posted on 09/24/2010 8:56:31 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes!)
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To: Red Badger
What about a .22 magnum semi-auto?
Is there such a thing?
I'm lookin'.
Anything that looks like an M-16 makes me leery.
15 posted on 09/24/2010 8:56:55 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN '66-'67)
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To: marktwain

PMR-30


16 posted on 09/24/2010 8:57:00 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: benewton

This "22LR" is really intimidating................

17 posted on 09/24/2010 8:58:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: marktwain

Sorry for my ignorance about varieties of .22 cartridges, I know 9 mm and .223, but isn’t there the .22 LR which is pretty serious business. I wonder if this gun can handle that cartridge.


18 posted on 09/24/2010 8:59:09 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: refermech
I can tell you this, I’d be ducking and running if someone was shooting a 22 at me.

You won't be ducking mine FRiend. I have a John Norrell trigger, and Gemtech suppressor on mine. Great varmint gun. Fast, accurate, and quiet.

19 posted on 09/24/2010 8:59:12 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: marktwain
That's price-competitive with the .22 conversion kits for the .223 AR platform (effectively the same bullet diameter).

For those who hate cleaning our ARs (which was not designed to be cleaned!) and want something with similar ergonomics to take to the range, it's a great idea!

I would prefer a .223 AR or an AK in a SHTF scenario, but for the range, small rodents or plinking, sure!

20 posted on 09/24/2010 8:59:14 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sybeck1

21 posted on 09/24/2010 8:59:45 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: marktwain

I did this with a Ruger 1022 a long time ago. I own a Mossberg 702 and it is a fine little rifle. I would have been doing 1022 type conversions on it long ago if they had a 20 or 30 round mag for it. Stock conversions for a Marlin 795 are not that difficult to customize for a 702. And as to WalMart making it acailable, well, that is up to the individual store managers as to whether they will allow the sporting goods dept to order the rifle from their suppliers.


22 posted on 09/24/2010 9:00:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: marktwain

Isn’t there a trade-off, use an AK47 and you may kill your neighbor three houses down or use a smaller caliber and hopefully it works out?


23 posted on 09/24/2010 9:00:06 AM PDT by mainsail that
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To: ComputerGuy

Google:

22LR Hollowpoint handgun


24 posted on 09/24/2010 9:00:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: devane617

In the mid part of the last century I owned a .22 Rimfire Magnum. That little round packs a real punch.


25 posted on 09/24/2010 9:00:21 AM PDT by csmusaret (The Obama/Pelosi/Reid Cartel is a Kakistocracy)
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To: Sybeck1

26 posted on 09/24/2010 9:00:25 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Sybeck1

27 posted on 09/24/2010 9:00:35 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo ("I can pull the trigger with my thumb"...Mike Franks)
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To: ComputerGuy

see #17


28 posted on 09/24/2010 9:00:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: ComputerGuy

Kel Tec just came out with a 30 round .22 Magnum auto loader pistol. Get one!


29 posted on 09/24/2010 9:01:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: devane617

“Mossberg is not high on my list of firearms...Actually, it’s not on my list at all...I’d rather throw rocks than own a Mossberg.”

Well maybe Sweden needs to arm their citizens and allow them to clean up Malmo. Give the i*lamo invaders the option of leaving first.


30 posted on 09/24/2010 9:02:22 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Sooth2222
For those who hate cleaning our ARs (which was not designed to be cleaned!)

Eugene Stoner would vehemently disagree with that assertion.

31 posted on 09/24/2010 9:03:52 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: marktwain
You are correct. In 1885, a vet used a .22 short (one round) to put down Jumbo the Elephant after it had been hit by a locomotive. Jumbo was the largest land animal on record at the time. Placement control is king.

/johnny

32 posted on 09/24/2010 9:03:56 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DCBryan1

Ive always wanted a supressed 22. How much does it cost to get one. Do you have to pay every year for the permit?


33 posted on 09/24/2010 9:04:29 AM PDT by refermech
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To: ComputerGuy

Ruger makes a version of their 10/22 semi-auto rifle for the 22 magnum. You may have to order it though, cause it’s not as common as the standard 10/22.


34 posted on 09/24/2010 9:04:37 AM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: devane617

LOL


35 posted on 09/24/2010 9:04:58 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: marktwain
just how “cheap and cheerful” this product will be. If it’s a piece of junk for that price

I spent less than $300 for my Mossberg shotguns and they are very cheerful...well as cheerful as a 12-gauge shotgun can be I suppose.

I don't think Mossberg makes junk.

36 posted on 09/24/2010 9:09:46 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: LoneStarGI
Yeah, I just found it online.
Thanks to all of you. I'm looking for a rifle - I didn't say that. I've got several pistols, but I want a good, hot-load semi-auto rifle. My .22 Mag pistola will kick some serious ass. I'm not talking 700 meters here :)
37 posted on 09/24/2010 9:10:06 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN '66-'67)
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To: ComputerGuy
Kel Tec just came out with a .22 mag semi pistol. Mag holds 30 rds I think. Ruger, Remington, Winchester and just about everyone else makes a .22 mag semi rifle.

Very wicked round.

38 posted on 09/24/2010 9:10:11 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: refermech
do you have to pay every year for the permit?

No. That is common misperception with Title 2 firearms (machineguns, suppressors, short barrell shotguns, short barrel rifles, destructive devices, and any other weapons (AOWs)).

You just have to abide by your state's laws for possession,
Fill out duplicat ATF Form 4s,
Duplicate passport photos,
duplicate fingerprints
get a sign off from your local prosecutor, DA, chief of police, or sheriff
A one time check for $200.00 for your one time transfer stamp
....and wait 6 months for your background check.

If you want to collect more than a few, then I would get an NFA trust built to bypass pictures, LEO signoff, and fingerprints.

www.gem-tech.com/
www.awcsystech.com/
www.advanced-armament.com/
www.johnnorrellarms.com/ is where you get the fully automatic 10/22 trigger packs....@ $8,500.00.

39 posted on 09/24/2010 9:10:36 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: henkster

Mine is a Mossberg 500 with 6 shot/00 Buck/Slug/00 Buck/Slug/00 Buck. I have a small 2 bedroom home. The longest unobstructed shot is 26 feet. (farthest point in DR to Front Door) At combat range, #6 shot will grind hamburger.


40 posted on 09/24/2010 9:11:41 AM PDT by rickb308 (I love watching libruls heads explode as they see their dogma run over by their karma.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Nice combo. I’m with you.

However; I do have a Mossberg shot gun that I can hit 50 at trap consistently. Don’t ask about skeet. ;o)


41 posted on 09/24/2010 9:16:04 AM PDT by super7man
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To: rickb308

Rick....#4 buck should be your inside the house AP round. Have slugs and 0 or OO buck for when you have to shoot through your own walls or car doors.


42 posted on 09/24/2010 9:17:06 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: GSP.FAN

If that is seriously it they will sell a ton of them.


43 posted on 09/24/2010 9:17:16 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Eagles6
Very wicked round

Roger that. I've done some experimenting on cantaloupes and watermelons down on my lower forty. None survived.
44 posted on 09/24/2010 9:19:15 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN '66-'67)
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To: refermech

PC Walmart won’t be allowed to carry them unless: They come in a pretty colors. They turn that black stock to a nice walnut finish. They take off the flash hider and pistol grip. And limit it to a three round magazine. With those changes, they would probably want to sell it in full-auto and seek exemption from the NFA.


45 posted on 09/24/2010 9:20:21 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: ComputerGuy

Don’t let more than half a dozen get together or you’re a goner.


46 posted on 09/24/2010 9:21:20 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: ComputerGuy

At ranges inside a residence, #8 birdshot from a 12 gauge aimed at the head will blind the average perp, then you can finish the episode as you see fit.


47 posted on 09/24/2010 9:26:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Eagles6
Don’t let more than half a dozen get together or you’re a goner.

That's where you'd like one of these, w/ its 50rd mags:

48 posted on 09/24/2010 9:29:55 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Eagles6
Not to worry. I face them one at a time.
After all, it's my garden :)
49 posted on 09/24/2010 9:30:51 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN '66-'67)
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To: marktwain

I bought a Smith and Wesson M&P15R 5.45 x 39mm a couple of years ago and about 10,000 rounds of Russian ammo (cheap but corrosive, but OK if weapon is cleaned properly). I’ve been satisfied with the purchase.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764984_-1_757785_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y


50 posted on 09/24/2010 9:31:30 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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