Skip to comments.Officer in Costco shooting says man raised gun, didnít know it was in holster
Posted on 09/24/2010 9:34:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
This comes from a Vegas paper, so I'll summarize:
Day 1 of the inquest into the police shooting of Eric Scott at a Las Vegas Costco emphasized the large amount of prescription painkillers found in his body. The assistant DA suggested Scott was suicidal.
Day 2 apparently spent a bunch of time explaining why there will be no video...basically, the machines weren't working, sorry.
Then the cop who was closest to Scott testified. In his testimony, he says the gun found by investigators was in its holster, and that he didn't realize the gun was in its holster when he shot Scott. That info comes about 2/3 of the way into the article:
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It may be the drugs Scott was using clouded his judgment in how to respond, but I don't see any indication that he was trying to force the police to shoot him. Not if he pulled a holstered gun.
My B.S. meter just exploded all over the room.
The notion that the video cameras all failed makes me more than a little suspicious. One wonders what the cops and Costco are trying to hide that would be revealed by the video. The “malfunction” is a little too convenient here.
If the 911 tape vanishes, the fix is completely in.
Cop1: "GET DOWN!"
Cop 2: "TURN TOWARDS ME!"
Cop 3: "DONT MOVE!"
Cop 1: "SHOW ME WHERE THE GUN IS!"
Cop 2: "KEEP YOUR HANDS UP!"
Cop 3" "THROW YOUR GUN OVER HERE!"
BANG! BANG! BANG!
Sad all the way around. Cops should be at least suspended, if not fired. If the tape EVER comes out, I bet the cops could see jail time.
The fact that the tape hasn't come out is the most disturbing aspect of the story.
This all boils down to money, pure and simple.
They know the cop blew it when he killed the guy, but to admit it means the guys wife will win a huge judgment by the jury guaranteed.
By backing the cop now they will make the lawyers work for a decent settlement instead of handing it to them on a silver platter.
The fix is, most definitely, in.
What is the purpose of the “he pulled a holstered gun” observations. Seems to me it makes little difference in determining whether the shooting was justified.
(1) Some poorly made holsters will come off with the gun when you draw; (2) you can still kill someone else or yourself with a gun that is holster-covered (they aren’t bullet-proof); and (3) I can imagine it would be difficult to recognize from a reasonable distance whether someone was pointing a hostered or unholstered gun at you.
This whole thing makes me so angry. When the truth finally comes out about this, I hope Scott’s family sues the pants off both Costco and the employee who phoned in the false report to 911. Where are the surveillance tapes??!
Instead, they have to slander the poor guy they killed.
I can buy that the killing was a mistake without evil intent, but their actions since then are intentional.
I would like to know if the cops generally yell “Put the gun down” in order to protect themselves in most situations.
That is the impression I got from the little we have heard.
You may be concerned but are you really surprised?
I think we all saw that one coming.
It’s not unusual for certain types of holsters to come off with the gun when you pull the gun.
The picture of assailant Police Officer Mosher accompanying the article must be seen to be believed.
Now try complying without getting shot - btw you have about three seconds.
This all stinks so badly... I hope those involved in this coverup fry, if not legally them in their own minds as they contemplate killing an innocent person by accident & lacked the b*lls to admit it.
NV is an incredibly small state. All the authority figures
know each other and probably watch each others backs.
Noone should be suprised that the tapes are missing.
they teach that in cop schools- yell your commands loud enough for all non-seeing ‘witnesses’ to hear.
problem is, if there are 3 cops all yelling different things and some of those things aren’t real...
Early articles stated it was a zippered holster.
Lard Ass GI Joe wannabe...aka Officer Mosher.
It's possible - and this is pure speculation - that he, like many normal Americans, developed a dependency on drugs that were prescribed following a medical situation (like surgery, physical rehab, etc.)
That's much more plausible to me than the claim that he was "suicidal."
1 - If you are trying to commit suicide by cop - as the assistant DA has already argued - then you try to draw attention to yourself as a threat, forcing the cops to shoot you. You do not do it by exiting the store quietly, nor do you do it by pulling a gun out in its holster.
2 - I carry a J-frame revolver. If I pull it and shoot a guy who has a holstered gun in his hand, do you think the DA will argue it was a justified shooting because the guy was trying to commit suicide?
3 - I’ve never tried firing a gun in a holster. My daughter has a purse designed to fire the gun with it in the purse, but she has to stick her hand into the purse first. And I doubt Scott was carrying a purse. The fanny packs I know about generally have a tab you pull to expose the gun, but Scott’s gun was in his waistband.
It is true you can pull a gun out and have the holster come with it, but that ought to put a crimp in your shooting style! I think there are in waist band holsters with exposed triggers, but I sure wouldn’t carry one.
I don’t think the cops were trying to murder Scott. I think they fell into the “armed AND DANGEROUS” trap, led into it by the Costco employees. And the Costco employees admitted Scott was not acting violently or in a threatening manner...yet their call to the cops would lead one to believe he was.
That one earns the epithet “pig”. Or, perhaps, “warthog-faced buffoon”.
Wow. He looks like he can outrun approximately 0% of perpetrators.
My goodness, what ever are you implying? </sarcasm>
I’m not buying any of this. Too many eyewitness accounts within feet of Scott tell a different story. And Las Vegas has a record of lying/covering up.
Knock it off - he only has two chins. No reason to drop the donuts until you have three...
Actually, I agree. I expect an on the ball cop to make some pretense of physical fitness.
The murdered man is reported to be a West Point graduate and veteran with university degree(s) and a successful representative for a company that sells medical devices. This is mentioned in virtually every report I have seen until this inquest when suddenly he is a drug-addled, beligerent gun nut and very possibly suicidal to boot. It has been months since the shooting and none of this was reported until this inquest.
Technical malfunctions certainly occur. Amazing how this one just happens to coincide with this murder. This stinks to high heaven.
Doesn’t LAPD have any standards covering minimal physical requirements for its officers? I guess not based on the picture of the one who led the firing squad.
Just as they did with O.J. Simpson that ultimately cost them a conviction?
Post: “Court sux! 2nd day”
Dieing sux worse, Shai
The officer who shot from the front needs to up his caliber to soemthing starting with a “4”, as in .45. Two shots center mass and the perp backed up and turned around before falling forward after taking five more rounds to the back. ‘9mm will not save you, friends, unless you can make head shots, consistently.’
He also testified that he didnt recall ordering Scott to drop his gun. But those commands are distinctly heard on the 911 tape that was played for the jury.
The tape was again played for Mosher, who said it was his voice on the tape. He was the only officer issuing commands, he said.
The following is heard in the 911 call: Put your hands where I can see them now. Drop it! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!
He refused to comply with those commands, to show his hands, or to get on the ground, Mosher testified.
Uhm, officer Mosher, you also told him to "DROP IT!"
Nothing unusual at all in this investigation. The results were as expected. No surprises for the public.
Uh...I think that would be LVPD...
Dr. Alane Olson, a medical examiner at the Clark County Coroner’s office, was the first witness in today’s coroner’s inquest into the shooting death of Erik Scott.
Olson was giving a detailed explanation of the seven bullets that struck Eric Scott based off her July 11 autopsy.
She said five of the shots entered his back and two entered the front of his body. One of the bullets entered his buttocks area, traveled up through his bowels and lodged in his chest.
She said it was “indeterminate” how close Scott was from the gun barrels.
She said he also had some minor scrapes on his hands and his right knee. He also had wounds associated with attempts of medical personnel to give him aid, she said.
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If he was taking that amount of drugs, he should not have been carrying a gun.
But shot in the back 5 times? How can they justify that? It sounds like they just opened fire based on the fact that the Metro Cop shot first.
Shia Lierley, Costco Loss Prevention Employee who called 911.
He’s the spitting image of Curly Howard
This just gets worse and worse.
Yep. And that depresses the hell out of me...
Both costco and the LE are facing huge civil suits let alone criminal charges if tapes showing them in the wrong appear. Yeah, all cameras mysteriously malfunction at the same time...uh huh...
The argument made in the post I responded to basically said they had their theory, gathered or manufactured evidence to fit, and discarded or lost anything that contradicted. In the Simpson case, they were so sure they had it correct, they screwed up a lot of the evidence they needed to convict.
As much as people blame that one on the race card, some of the police behavior that came out in that trial precluded conviction and would have freed him on appeal. The most telling was the video of the bedroom showing nothing on the white carpeted floor. The video presented with a later timestamp where a bloody black sock was found where nothing appeared was the first clue that something was amiss.