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Hybrids as City Runabouts, Natural Gas Fueled Cars for the Country
Science Daily ^ | Sep 19, 2010 | SD

Posted on 09/25/2010 4:23:10 AM PDT by Cronos

Hybrid cars and those fuelled by natural gas produce significantly less carbon dioxide (CO2) than equivalent vehicles running on gasoline. In the course of a study undertaken on behalf of the Swiss Federal Office for the Environment (FOEN), the results of which were recently published, Empa has investigated the CO2 emission behavior of current hybrid cars. A comparison with gasoline and natural gas fuelled vehicles concludes that hybrid vehicles are the cleanest during inner-city driving whilst natural gas fuelled cars do best on the motorway. When driven in rural areas, both types do equally well. Under mixed conditions (that is real, everyday driving) vehicles based on both concepts offer reductions of up to 25 per cent in CO2 emissions compared to conventional gasoline fuelled automobiles. Hybrid drive systems and natural gas engines therefore represent an important technical measure for reducing CO2 emissions which can be put to use immediately, as do vehicles powered by renewable fuels such as biogas and ethanol derived from waste matter.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: autos; cars; energy; environment; hybrid; naturalgas
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To: meyer
The country would be much better off if cities were removed and broken down into smaller, manageable towns with a population density of less than 100 people per square mile

I do believe that you completely missed the point.

well what is your point....you have already stated you prefer that the crud from the cities be spread like manure into the last remaining unspoiled places to make people more manageable....what point did I miss????? Sounds vaguely familiar with something Hitler, Stalin, or Mao would say

21 posted on 09/25/2010 6:57:26 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: meyer
"The only thing certain in life is death and taxes."

I happen to believe that the latter is the lesser of two evils.
If you disagree, you are free to choose the former.

22 posted on 09/25/2010 6:58:32 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer ~ and some people polka.)
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To: meyer

Don’t even think of moving those idiots into my space.

The fewer the neighbors the better.


23 posted on 09/25/2010 6:59:10 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Vaquero

“I hope lots of folks drive these ....to save gasoline so that my 4X4 and my 60’s and 70s muscle cars have plenty.....”

I hope lots of folks drive natural gas vehicles .... so that we can rely on domestic sources of energy and not continute to send billions in petrodollars to Islamic countries that want to behead us.


24 posted on 09/25/2010 7:03:47 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: GonzoGOP

This is the problem, no one ever thinks about unintended consequences.


25 posted on 09/25/2010 7:03:50 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: IMR 4350

IMR 4350???

I use it often along with IMR 4320, IMR 4381, IMR 3031, and IMR 4227 for magnum pistols...

along with a plethora of other powders from various manufacturers


26 posted on 09/25/2010 7:04:23 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SharpRightTurn
I hope lots of folks drive natural gas vehicles .... so that we can rely on domestic sources of energy and not continute to send billions in petrodollars to Islamic countries that want to behead us.

Me too....I would even consider a conversion so I can use both...

but we have LOTS of OIL....we are just not allowed by Dhimmicrats and RINOs to drill for it....so using gas instead of middle eastern oil is NOT the only solution

ps. the fracking of the Marcellus shale to extract natural gas, is the next thing the environweenies are stoking up their marxist blockade against

..environmentalism is collectivism in drag

George Will

27 posted on 09/25/2010 7:10:07 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
well what is your point....you have already stated you prefer that the crud from the cities be spread like manure into the last remaining unspoiled places to make people more manageable....what point did I miss????? Sounds vaguely familiar with something Hitler, Stalin, or Mao would say

No, I didn't say that I "prefer that the drud from the cities be spreadlike manure into the last remaining unspoiled places to make people more manageable". If you read more carefully, you'd note that I was responding to choo-choo Willie's assertion that individual transportation caused gridlock. My point was simply that population density was the cause of gridlock (and many other of society's ills, but that's another story for another time), not individuals driving their automobiles freely from one place to another.

My use of the term "manabeable" was perhaps poorly chosen, especially given the direction our government is heading.

28 posted on 09/25/2010 7:11:12 AM PDT by meyer (Tax the productive to carry the freeloaders - What is it with democrats and slavery?)
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To: Vaquero

4227 works great in the 32-20 too.


29 posted on 09/25/2010 7:13:29 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Willie Green
"The only thing certain in life is death and taxes."

Sadly, that statement has frequently been used out of its original context, usually by big-government leftists that enjoy living off the fruit of other peoples' labor.

I happen to believe that the latter is the lesser of two evils. If you disagree, you are free to choose the former.

But that would be murder...

30 posted on 09/25/2010 7:17:10 AM PDT by meyer (Tax the productive to carry the freeloaders - What is it with democrats and slavery?)
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To: IMR 4350

32-20

cool old round...either in a revolver or an original winchester ‘73 or ‘92...

my original ‘73 is in 44-40 and I use very light loads of W-231 around 6.7gr....with a 200gr hard cast bullet for 700-800 fps....


31 posted on 09/25/2010 7:32:56 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Cronos

I recently purchased a Honda Civic GX which is natural gas powered. Best car decision I ever made. Fuel is cheap ($1.50 per gal) and I do my part to end dependence on foreign oil. I commute a total of 100 miles a day and get to use the HOV lane which gets me around congestion. The Civic GX has the cleanest burning engine of any vehicle on the road so I am not contributing to the smog/pollution problems that plague my area (the cities that make up the metro area I am in were the 5 worst in air quality in the nation for a period of time last winter). I am looking to buy a home fueling device as well, to further lower my fuel costs. If you live in an area that has a decent CNG fueling infrastructure, I highly recommend a CNG vehicle like the Civic GX.


32 posted on 09/25/2010 8:01:47 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff

How effective is it towing your boat?


33 posted on 09/25/2010 8:03:30 AM PDT by verity
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To: Willie Green
... emission-free, electrically powered ...

So now you're claiming electrical power is emission-free?

34 posted on 09/25/2010 8:28:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
I obviously claimed that electrically powered mass transit systems are emission free,
so your truncation of my statement to imply othersise is a pretty adolescent ploy, Duncan.
35 posted on 09/25/2010 8:50:55 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer ~ and some people polka.)
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To: Willie Green

So now you’re claiming that if the emissions involved in the production of electrical power are emitted elsewhere, they don’t exist?

With brilliant thinking like that you must have an MBA.


36 posted on 09/25/2010 9:12:40 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
So now you’re claiming that if the emissions involved in the production of electrical power are emitted elsewhere, they don’t exist?

That's my thing with electric vehicles, so many claim that they're emission free or low-pollution, but they're not. Unless the electricity was produced from a clean source like natural gas or nuclear, then it was most likely produced in coal or petroleum burning power plants. In the U.S., most electricity is produced in non-clean sources such as coal or petroleum burning power plants so it just moves the pollutants elsewhere. And in the case of petroleum-burning power plants, it still relies upon foreign oil and funds countries that are our enemies or who fund our enemies.

The same case can be made against hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, when they become available. It takes electricity to produce hydrogen, the electricity is most likely produced at a coal or petroleum burning power plant.

37 posted on 09/25/2010 11:41:03 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: Chode
I really couldn't care less about my carbon footprint either. So, "whilst" they contemplate hybrids and natural gas I'll keep burning diesel as long as I can.
38 posted on 09/25/2010 1:14:30 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Sequoyah101
good for you...
39 posted on 09/25/2010 1:22:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Willie Green
People living in less desolate regions of our planet must adapt to more pragmatic approaches to socio-economic organization.

William Pitt knew your kind:

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”

So which are you? Tyrant or slave?

40 posted on 09/25/2010 3:16:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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