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Blinded with 'science' - Atheist's worst nightmare takes apart Hawking's 'design' flaws
WND ^ | September 24, 2010

Posted on 09/25/2010 8:00:30 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

God didn't create the universe, Stephen Hawking says in his latest book, "A Grand Design."

Rather, the renowned physicist writes, "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

Everything – created from nothing? The assertion begged a reply from the author of "Nothing Created Everything: The Scientific Impossibility of Atheistic Evolution."

"It is embarrassingly unscientific to speak of anything creating itself from nothing," said Ray Comfort, a best-selling author and acclaimed minister who's confronted and confounded some of the world's most accomplished atheists. "Common sense says that if something possessed the ability to create itself from nothing, then that something wasn't nothing; it was something – a very intelligent creative power of some sort."

Hawking commits several "greater fallacies of logic," says Comfort.

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1 posted on 09/25/2010 8:00:34 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Hawkings is a very clever man, and has done some great work in pushing back the boundaries of Human knowledge. But there still are boundaries. For example, his contention is that something can be created from nothing “because there is a law such as a gravity”. So why is there a law such as gravity then? Why are the laws of physics like what we see?


2 posted on 09/25/2010 8:07:02 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Hawking is a talentless hack


3 posted on 09/25/2010 8:07:28 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Heh. Given the lunacies dribbled out by Richard Dawkins in response to his being pwned by the Pope and Stephen Hawking's most recent verbal diarrhea, I suppose we should rejoice that these 2 haven't decided to do EVERYTHING ascribed to non-believers in Romans 1:21-32.

Maybe this is is God's way of having a laugh at the expense of these 2. They are following this part of Scripture quite "faithfully" (almost).

4 posted on 09/25/2010 8:10:40 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
there's a corollary to Warhol's Axiom of Fame. It's called theinvisib1ehand's corollary on ignominy: “after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.”
5 posted on 09/25/2010 8:11:17 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

relativity is a scam, too. unless I misunderstand it, which I suppose is a remote possibility.


6 posted on 09/25/2010 8:12:33 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.)
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To: Vanders9

His science has been polluted by extreme anger toward God so he has self-limited his own God-given, brilliant intelligence.

Most atheists I know are just really, really POed at God so they try really hard to ignore him and try really hard to convince others that he doesn’t exist at all.


7 posted on 09/25/2010 8:12:38 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

‘...the renowned physicist writes, “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.” ‘

What was so special about 14 billion years ago? Why didn’t the universe create itself out of nothing during the eternity prior to that time? And why aren’t new universes creating themselves out of nothing all around us?


8 posted on 09/25/2010 8:12:38 AM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

A logical Atheist is an oxymoron. Atheism itself demands that reason and logic are false. They do this by denying the existence of the supernatural, but it is only the supernatural than can view the natural objectively, and only the supernatural that can truly reason.


9 posted on 09/25/2010 8:14:54 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
relativity is a scam,

How so?

10 posted on 09/25/2010 8:18:45 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: Vanders9

Hawkins recognizes that law is needed but does not want to called the law giver, God. He does recognize how to sell books.


11 posted on 09/25/2010 8:20:40 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

It would be simpler to refute Hawking by noting a scientist shouldn’t confuse opinion with data. Physics cannot speak to the time before the Big Bang because there is no data. You can’t measure the physical universe when there is no physical universe to measure. Without data you can’t prove one approach or disprove another. This places Hawking in the arena of philosophy - not science. And as a philosopher I don’t see Hawking as entitled to more weight then others.

Hawking could simply have said as a matter of Occam’s razor, it’s more reasonable to conceive a universe arising from “nothing” then a supreme all knowing all powerful sentiment being arising from “nothing” who THEN creates the physical universe. And let it go at that without making such absolutist and unprovable statements as to what “did” occur. But he didn’t.


12 posted on 09/25/2010 8:21:30 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
If there was nothing, upon what would gravity operate?

The whole thing is stupid.

13 posted on 09/25/2010 8:22:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Democrats were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: BipolarBob

by elevating the experiential to the absolute.


14 posted on 09/25/2010 8:23:16 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.)
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To: Carry_Okie
If there was nothing, upon what would gravity operate?

Itself! Wudooeye need to do, draw you a picture?!

15 posted on 09/25/2010 8:24:13 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

The people of this country CAN create something from nothing... just as it has in creating a President out of a no-count, non-effectual nothing like Obama.

Does a vote record of endless ‘present’s add up to anything?


16 posted on 09/25/2010 8:25:50 AM PDT by RightResponse (It depends on what the defamation of Islam is .....)
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To: Vanders9

God came first. Got it. Who made God?


17 posted on 09/25/2010 8:26:09 AM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: Vanders9

What is Hawking’s great achievement?


18 posted on 09/25/2010 8:34:20 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: lp boonie
Who made God?

God was, is and always will be. No one made God.

Funny, my statement of belief is just as much of a statement of belief as Hawking's belief in nothing making something.

19 posted on 09/25/2010 8:41:06 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: the invisib1e hand
unless I misunderstand it, which I suppose is a remote possibility.

Put down the remote and possibility of it having occurred would have been less possible.

For instance, what is it that you think is a scam: general relativity or special relativity?

20 posted on 09/25/2010 8:44:08 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Rather, the renowned physicist writes, “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.”

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I will quote this to my husband when it is time for dinner. : )


21 posted on 09/25/2010 8:44:25 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Tribune7
Put down the remote and possibility of it having occurred would have been less possible.

Indeed, but, lucky for me, you have appeared!

For instance, what is it that you think is a scam: general relativity or special relativity?

If the milk is spoiled, the ice cream and the cheese will be, too.

22 posted on 09/25/2010 8:48:07 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.)
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To: pnh102

Funny, my statement of belief is just as much of a statement of belief as Hawking’s belief in nothing making something.


Yep. Faith is funny that way.


23 posted on 09/25/2010 8:48:27 AM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: lp boonie
Who made God?

That's the question that illustrates the limit of the mind of man.

Who made God? What came before the Big Bang? What caused the laws of physics? etc.

These are the questions that led one to realize that, ultimately, we all have to humbly live by faith.

And btw, "who made God?" "what came before the Big Bang" etc. are no where near important as "why we are here?" or "how should I treat my neighbor".

24 posted on 09/25/2010 8:49:18 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Indeed, but, lucky for me, you have appeared!

Maybe, but for the luck to mean anything you have to pick up the cards you are dealt.

25 posted on 09/25/2010 8:52:15 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Life is but a dream. (Shaboom.)

This business of something from nothing is just a language problem. Our nothing is an absence of something. For all we know, in the larger scheme there is no nothing and never was, and there are degrees of existence, some quite beyond the ken of all but God.

In any case, it’s clear Hawky is not seeing the big picture. We are not too small for God to care about. He has no limitations and can devote a billion years to listening to the prayer of a child, if it suits him to do so. We are not too numerous to the Lord, who made the numbers. Nothing created by His hand is insignificant to him, and that’s the flaw on which atheists usually rest their case. We’re supposedly too small, too brief, too insignificant; but that’s only if God is limited.

He can give each of us an entire universe if He chooses, and better yet, a personal Savior. Oh wait — He did do that!


26 posted on 09/25/2010 8:53:08 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

My Nephew has two PHD’s from the University of Chicago. One is in physics and the other in something similar called Cosmology I think. (It may be spelled differently).

We were discussing Hawking and he and several of his friends who also were in the same PHD program said he was not considered all that great within the profession. Yes he is intelligent but nothing out of the ordinary for physicists.


27 posted on 09/25/2010 8:55:40 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: the invisib1e hand
LOL, go for it, you have the perfect screen name for the job.
28 posted on 09/25/2010 8:58:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Democrats were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: al baby

Stune Hawking with a Beeber!


29 posted on 09/25/2010 8:59:56 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Well said. I got into an net debate with an Athiest who used the idea that “the universe is so big and we are so small in comparison” to support Athiesm. I asked him how big would the universe have to be, in comparison to humans, so that he could believe God existed.......that one stopped him cold.


30 posted on 09/25/2010 9:00:48 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: running_dog_lackey

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.”

Wow. That’s like pre hoc ergo propter hoc. The universe was before gravity therefore exists because of it? And it had to be before gravity because the universe is everything, which subsumes gravity. I mean, you can posit a universe without gravity, but not a gravity without a universe to BE in.

Hey, Hawky — tell us the one about the universe that factors in anti-gravity!


31 posted on 09/25/2010 9:00:55 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: Tribune7
Maybe, but for the luck to mean anything you have to pick up the cards you are dealt.

Right. I'll put that on the list of things to meditate on.

32 posted on 09/25/2010 9:01:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.)
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To: al baby; GodGunsGuts; metmom; tpanther
Hawking is a talentless hack

So is that intellectual buffoon, Richard Dawkins.

Remember his performance in the movie, "Expelled?" Ben Stein impaled him on his own self-contradictory statements. He was left there with his jaw dropped and a stew brewing in his pants.

I suspect God has popped enough popcorn to pass around to on-lookers for the "End-of-Time Follies," when we'll get to watch these guys get the ultimate in "pwned."

Pass me that bucket, will ya? A little butter please, and light on the salt too....

FReegards!


33 posted on 09/25/2010 9:02:58 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: HerrBlucher
Atheism itself demands that reason and logic are false.

I've always said that atheism requires greater faith than religion, since believers believe that which may ultimately be proven, but atheists believe that which can never be proven.

34 posted on 09/25/2010 9:03:57 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
I heard somewhere that Dostoyevsky said, one human soul is worth more than the whole material universe.

That's a great perspective. I mean, the universe is cool but basically it's just stuff. And as the fireman say, "You can always replace stuff -- the important thing is, learn not to burn!"

So I don't worry much about God's stuff and where He got it and why. I'm busy enough avoiding Hell!

35 posted on 09/25/2010 9:09:39 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

I’m reminded of a great quote from Robert Jastrow’s “God and the Astronomers”:

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries”.


36 posted on 09/25/2010 9:11:59 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: pnh102
"God was, is and always will be. No one made God."

Then the "universe", or "gravity", or "whatever came before the big bang", was always there.

Sorry, but dissing Hawking for his comment and sticking God in there doesn't accomplish anything. You've only moved it one step back.

37 posted on 09/25/2010 9:15:57 AM PDT by mlo
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To: running_dog_lackey
yes, *the universe creates*

notice they can do away with God quite easily but in his place they have another entity *the universe* which does it all. Very New Age Oprahish

38 posted on 09/25/2010 9:16:28 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: al baby

Stephen Hawking’s and the rest of his atheists friends will one day, be laid out in their Sunday best. While the rest of us will look at them and think, ha! “All dressed up and nowhere to go”.


39 posted on 09/25/2010 9:17:15 AM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: lp boonie

Humans have a very limited capacity of understanding what this God is all about. By the very Divine nature of His Sovereignty over ALL creation and existence beyond/ruling over all dimensions (Just how many, what human math wizard knows), this God was never a fabrication to begin with. All laws of sciences, natural or theoretic of creation, based on “intelligent” humans that named them, DO NOT rule over this God. We are open to believe this or not...which goes into “lex parsimoniae” argument by atheist who do not “know all” .


40 posted on 09/25/2010 9:19:21 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

I had a memorable recall about this. Years ago as a college freshman I had an elective course in Psychology. The prof was Ms. Gibson as I remember. The students were assigned to write an essay about something dealing with the world around them. My essay was simply titled “Nothing”.I remember starting out with telling that although I was writing about nothing , I was really writing about something. I used 3 to 4 pages (handwritten) telling about why in so many ways nothing is something and something can be nothing. Prof said it was all very interesting but no ‘A’ grade.


41 posted on 09/25/2010 9:20:29 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

All of you people that believe in gravity are just fooling yourselves.


42 posted on 09/25/2010 9:21:33 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: noinfringers2

now if you had been in a philosophy class, A+


43 posted on 09/25/2010 9:21:58 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Of course you can create the Universe from nothing because there is nothing to stop it.


44 posted on 09/25/2010 9:26:10 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (consciousness is a heads up display)
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To: the invisib1e hand
*** relativity is a scam, too. ***

Uh, no. It's not.

*** unless I misunderstand it, ***

Yes, no offense, but you do.

45 posted on 09/25/2010 9:27:53 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: HerrBlucher

The supernatural is very hard to explain. Nobody really knows what it is but many people believe it is there.

Left wing atheists tend to be extremely arrogant. They think they know enough about the universe to determine that God almost certainly doesn’t exist.


46 posted on 09/25/2010 9:29:11 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: tiki
His science has been polluted by extreme anger toward God so he has self-limited his own God-given, brilliant intelligence.

Most atheists I know are just really, really POed at God so they try really hard to ignore him and try really hard to convince others that he doesn’t exist at all.


The thought has occurred to me that, Hawkins is really pissed at God, and he will bitterly speak against the existence of a God.

Why do I think he's bitter? It may sound insensitive, but, he probably looks at his condition and "thinks", "if there really is a God, why am I sitting here in this condition"? Hawkins is being nothing more than vindictive.
47 posted on 09/25/2010 9:31:01 AM PDT by adorno
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To: the invisib1e hand

> relativity is a scam, too.

You should read “Einstein Plus Two” by [the deceased] Prof. Pietr Beckmann, written for the scientifically minded novice.


48 posted on 09/25/2010 9:32:56 AM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: XEHRpa

sounds like heresy!


49 posted on 09/25/2010 9:40:46 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (after your fifteen minutes are up you get a lifetime of ignominy.)
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To: mlo
Sorry, but dissing Hawking for his comment and sticking God in there doesn't accomplish anything. You've only moved it one step back.

How so? All I did was say that Hawking's view that nothing created something is no different than my view that God was, is and will be. Neither of us have any scientific proof to back it up at all. By extension, he is just as silly as I would be for claiming something to be scientific fact without showing any proof whatsoever.

The hilarious part is Christian theology states explicitly that God cannot be observed by people at all. So at least my statement of belief is backed up as being just that, a belief.

50 posted on 09/25/2010 9:42:38 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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