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Shoppers recount police shooting outside Costco
Las Vegas Sun ^ | Friday, Sept. 24, 2010 | 8:51 p.m. | By Kyle Hansen, Cara McCoy

Posted on 09/25/2010 8:11:33 AM PDT by redreno

The emotionless voice of Samantha Sterner told jurors on Friday that her boyfriend, 38-year-old Erik Scott, carried a gun with him everywhere he went and that the officer who shot him to death July 10 was “out of line.”

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; costco; erickscott; erikscott; nevada
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1 posted on 09/25/2010 8:11:36 AM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno
According to Glen Beck's favorite talk show host, the tendency has been to hire these 3 stooges types for cops on purpose.

This was later confirmed by an older officer who called in during the 3rd hour.

2 posted on 09/25/2010 8:16:18 AM PDT by yesca (..belief is the enemy)
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To: redreno

Why did the cops even have their guns drawn?

What did Scott do that had them ordering him to the ground in the first place?


3 posted on 09/25/2010 8:37:03 AM PDT by FoxPro
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To: redreno

Sounds like the Costco employees all have their story straight.


4 posted on 09/25/2010 8:39:38 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: redreno
sounds like the fix is in, drugs in his system, not responding to the the fat SOB's orders. More of the undisciplined a-holes the police hire these days. This idiot shows he is too frightened to carry a badge . . . second shooting?? Just another guy who shouldn't even be a rent-a-cop.
5 posted on 09/25/2010 8:45:31 AM PDT by JayAr36
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To: redreno

Great information in the article.

Since the COPS suspected Scott was on some kind of drugs and was reportedly ‘slow’ to respond , why didn’t they give him more time to ‘grasp’ what was happening and get DOWN on the ground?

What is not in this article is an explanation for why there were seven shots fired, and why FIVE of them were in the BACK.

One person claimed that they saw the shooting, and that one of the cops walked up after he was on the ground and fired a final shot into his dying/dead body.

According to the autopsy, one shot was fired from the rear, starting near his butt and going upward, indicating that he was shot after hitting the ground.


6 posted on 09/25/2010 8:50:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: kiryandil

ping


7 posted on 09/25/2010 8:51:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: redreno
the officer who shot him to death July 10 was “out of line”

That's putting it extremely mildly!

8 posted on 09/25/2010 8:52:00 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: redreno

Why didn’t Samantha Sterner, Scott’s girlfriend, show up at the coroner’s inquest? If she had what she thought was the truth, I would think she’d want to shout it from the rooftops.


9 posted on 09/25/2010 8:52:33 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: yesca

10 posted on 09/25/2010 8:55:18 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: redreno
It is just me ... or does every one of those witnesses look retarded.
11 posted on 09/25/2010 9:02:23 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: FoxPro
Why did the cops even have their guns drawn?

According to the reports, their 'plan' was to get Scott to file out with the rest of the customers, to not alert him to the 'situation'. Apparently, surprising him with THREE POINTED GUNS in the midst of a crowd of COSTCO customers (who were also confused), was supposed to be a smart way to deal with the situation, instead of just walking up and explaining the situation.

Even though they had been there in the parking lot for 30 minutes preparing, they now claim they WEREN'T READY when Scott came out.

Of course, they already had their guns DRAWN BEFORE he came out, according to testimony and eyewitnesses. That was in case they had to SHOOT HIM before their superiors could show up and take command of the situation. Because they WEREN'T READY YET. Again, that was in the testimony of the officer.

This should be considered as proof of guilt (poorly prepared and used bad judgment), as it implies that had their 'superiors' gotten there, Mr. Scott would be alive.

12 posted on 09/25/2010 9:03:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: FoxPro
What did Scott do that had them ordering him to the ground in the first place?

He was suffering from an overdose of prescription painkillers and had his guns with him. He needed to be escorted out of the store by Security and handed over to police, who could question him and/or send him to the hospital. Which they did, after they shot him SEVEN times.

13 posted on 09/25/2010 9:06:45 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
Why didn’t Samantha Sterner, Scott’s girlfriend, show up at the coroner’s inquest?

She doesn't want to be shot.

14 posted on 09/25/2010 9:08:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
30 minutes preparing, they now claim they WEREN'T READY when Scott came out.

These cops belong in jail.

15 posted on 09/25/2010 9:15:17 AM PDT by FoxPro
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Maybe Scott’s girlfriend didn’t want to be interviewed by a hostile DA with no chance for rebuttal from a friendly lawyer. I wouldn’t.

So far, the bottom line for me is:

Scott’s gun was in its holster, although the shooting cops didn’t know that at the time. And if it is a SA Kimber, then he would need to either pull the hammer first, or rack the slide first...unless Kimber makes a DA 45. I like revolvers and don’t know a lot obout Kimbers.

And if he wasn’t drawing it with intent to shoot, then he wouldn’t be moving as fast as he could - which ought to clue in the cop that the guy isn’t trying to kill him.


16 posted on 09/25/2010 9:15:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Envisioning

ping


17 posted on 09/25/2010 9:16:27 AM PDT by waterhill (Who got their elk? I did not............)
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To: redreno

Kangaroo court, costco EMPLOYEES are well rehearsed, cop well rehearsed, DA controlling the affair, no cross examination = no search for the truth. A crooked attempt at a whitewash.

I can’t imagine that Scott was this screwed up that he tripped, was paranoid, had bleeding knuckles, couldn’t fill out a Costco application.

Is it against the law to be irritated with some high school dropout Costco employee for confronting you? If it is come cart me away because yesterday I told the Verizon customer service associate that he needed to learn more about his job because it was clear he didn’t know enough to do it now.


18 posted on 09/25/2010 9:22:08 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Mr Rogers

According to testimony, Scott was ‘slow’, and had trouble maintaining his ‘balance’. He was ‘slow’ at answering the questions for the COSTCO CARD APPLICATION.

Scott walked out of the store (and was on his way to put his guns away in the car), when one of the cops tapped him on the shoulder, then stepped back and started yelling.

Scott turned around the COPS testified that he didn’t react QUICKLY enough. Now, they already suspected he was on some type of drugs. So WHY would they expect him to react QUICKLY?

The officer says that Mr. Scott POINTED the gun at him. Witnesses have stated that he reached for his waistband, and he was immediately shot.

It’s a miracle no customers were hit. I guess the officer’s who were close enough to grab Mr. Scott as he left the store and take him to the ground found it hard to miss. Especially since the last shot of SEVEN was fired after he was dead/dying on the ground.

And that last shot is the reason why WE will never see the video footage.


19 posted on 09/25/2010 9:30:07 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: FoxPro

Read the article. Why do freepers show up on threads and ask questions without first reading the article?


20 posted on 09/25/2010 9:37:43 AM PDT by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Someone drawing a 1911 gun with the hammer down to shoot a cop with his gun already drawn would A) be totally suicidal, and B) still be moving as fast as he could. He would need to draw the gun, cock the hammer (or more probably rack the slide), get the gun up and fire before the cop could pull the trigger.

Sound likely? Nope, not to me either. And if Scott was trying to commit suicide, he wouldn't have pulled the holster...or if he accidentally did, he wouldn't be able to access the trigger, let alone rack the slide.

Based on the physical evidence - a Kimber 45 with hammer down in its holster on the ground - I just don't see how Scott could have been trying or even acting like he had a desire to shoot the cops.


21 posted on 09/25/2010 9:38:17 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: redreno
In the comments section of the link it mentions a picture of a gun in a holster. I know the gun he "pulled" was in a holster. Another witness also describes seeing a gun rug (zippered case) on the ground after Scott was shot. Since another gun was found on his body after the shooting it appears that the holstered gun may have been in a rug.

I don't like how some folks here are commenting on the appearance of the Officer Mosher. From the story it appears that he is a Marine (retired or Reserve or what I don't know) and also an advocate of concealed carry and the 2nd Amendment.

It also appears that there was no video recording in Costco that day. Why it has taken this long for this to come out is beyond me.

22 posted on 09/25/2010 9:39:48 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Mr Rogers

The recommended way to carry a 1911 is condition 3, one in the tube, hammer cocked and safety on. I don’t know if that’s how this one was but from the fact that it was in the holster makes me think that he was in the process of disarming according to police commands.


23 posted on 09/25/2010 9:43:46 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Here is a picture of a Kimber 45 for comparison...note the checkering pattern and general look. This makes me think the family lawyer is correct in calling it a Kimber 45.


24 posted on 09/25/2010 9:44:22 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Eagles6

Cocked and locked is pretty normal for carry, I believe. This one isn’t cocked, so it probably had an empty chamber and required Scott to rack the slide to shoot. It is rare for someone to carry a 1911 with the hammer down and a round in the chamber. I think. Like I said, I have revolvers...


25 posted on 09/25/2010 9:47:13 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: FoxPro
Don't even remotely expect anything resembling facts on these threads. It's all hysterical opinions backed by the posters prejudice. This has been going on since it happened.

Your best bet is to Google Erik Scott and start reading the links. His dad has a blog, the Las Vegas Sun has a running blog of the coroner's inquest, and YouTube has video.

Then keep the facts to yourself because no one here is interested.

26 posted on 09/25/2010 9:48:41 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Is that a picture of the pistol in question?

You are correct that it is not advised to carry with one in the pipe and hammer down with a 1911.

27 posted on 09/25/2010 10:06:32 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: IrishCatholic; FoxPro
It's all hysterical opinions backed by the posters prejudice.

That's pretty funny considering that at least 3 of us have said we have officers in our families. Btw, they also question the Vegas scenario.

28 posted on 09/25/2010 10:13:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: redreno
The cops in this situation clearly shot this guy to death when they should not have. The weapon was still holstered as the victim lay on the floor dying...

Are they paranoid? Trigger happy? Lacked training?

Don't know....

29 posted on 09/25/2010 10:14:03 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Something that I read in the last 2 days said the officers were using hollow points. Is that a normal thing?


30 posted on 09/25/2010 10:19:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Glad you got a chuckle out of it. Frankly I feel nothing but pity.


31 posted on 09/25/2010 10:23:45 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: IrishCatholic

You don’t discuss anything, just insult. Interesting.


32 posted on 09/25/2010 10:25:16 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: dragnet2
The weapon was still holstered as the victim lay on the floor dying...

And then they shot him again, to make sure he was dead.

33 posted on 09/25/2010 10:30:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
I don't care if you're pro or con regarding law enforcement..

This was just a bad shoot...

34 posted on 09/25/2010 10:33:55 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: DJ MacWoW

You posted to me. I didn’t to you. If you don’t like what I typed, stop posting to me.

Look, I’ll try once to reach you. It isn’t about this case. It is about how you get information and think about it. If you ever wondered why Liberals are so screwed up about stuff, it is because they don’t know how to reason. “Conservatives” aren’t immune. Threads like this are an example. People started with an opinion and nothing will turn them from it. They will demonize anything that impinges on that view and anyone that holds it.

I posted originally to the person who seemed new to the topic. I told him to not follow the people here who aren’t remotely interested in the objective truth (as opposed to the relative or subjective truth). I told him to go to link sources such as the paper that is running a blog of the inquest...sorry Kangaroo Court, and Erik Scott’s father’s blog.

Why? Because those sources provide information. Is the information there accurate? I don’t know. I’ve bookmarked the father’s site and you know his view. I’ve follwed the paper’s summary of the Inquest. I’ve watched the YouTube videos that are posted from the local media. Because, I want to know the FACTS if I can get them.

It doesn’t have to be about this topic. It could be about health care. It could be about Obama. It could be about the tax cuts. It could be about anything. But unless you actually evaluate the information(What’s the source? Can it be corroborated? Is it fact or someone’s opinion? Is the person honest? Did they make a mistake? How much is known and how much is still unknown? What are they leaving out? What questions didn’t they ask?) then you simply are a potential walking victim of propaganda. It doesn’t matter whose propaganda, because you will believe what the last person tells you.

It is why political entities dump all their millions into ads just before the elections. They know that people don’t think and will act like lemmings on their last impression.

Yes, it is why I feel pity. Maybe you get it, maybe you don’t. Good luck.


35 posted on 09/25/2010 10:43:56 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: redreno; Mr Rogers
http://erikbscottmemorialblog.blogspot.com/

Here's a link to his father's blog.

36 posted on 09/25/2010 10:47:44 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: IrishCatholic
You posted to me. I didn’t to you.

Yes. That's how it works on a DISCUSSION forum.

It is about how you get information and think about it.

You have no idea how i do that. None.

I’ve follwed the paper’s summary of the Inquest.

Have you spoken with Vegas and Nevada freepers about it? I have. There's nothing like "boots on the ground" info. And the media aren't so honest. Must be why FR has a "Dinosaur Media Deathwatch".

Yes, it is why I feel pity. Maybe you get it, maybe you don’t. Good luck.

Oh, I get it. And I apparently have more info than you. To get a full picture, you HAVE to read what the locals say. In the early threads, lots of local freepers discussed the police force. And I read the Comments section of the news articles. It was truly eye opening.

37 posted on 09/25/2010 10:55:59 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: IrishCatholic

I sure feel privileged to have someone come onto a thread and tell us all how to FReep. It’s so refreshing.


38 posted on 09/25/2010 10:56:21 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am Derek Fenton! (me) Enjoying freedom ourselves requires tolerating it for others. (Jedidah))
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To: IrishCatholic

Oh, I forgot. “/s”


39 posted on 09/25/2010 10:57:36 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am Derek Fenton! (me) Enjoying freedom ourselves requires tolerating it for others. (Jedidah))
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To: redreno

According to the article:

“Officer William Mosher, the first of three officers who fired shots at Scott and the first to pull his trigger, was again on the witness stand Friday to answer questions from interested parties. “

...

“But he said that given the circumstances — that Scott had raised a weapon at him — he had no choice but to respond with deadly force.”

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“In the background of a call to 911 played for the jury, Mosher can be heard yelling, “Put your hands where I can see them now. Drop it! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!””


My opinion:

From the 911 tape played in the courtroom indicates that Officer Mosher could not see Erik Scott’s hands {”Put your hands where I can see them now.”). Officer Mosher testified “given the circumstances — that Scott had raised a weapon at him — he had no choice but to respond with deadly force.”

From the 911 tape, it is apparent that Scott had the weapon in his hand when the officer could see his hands, because the officer, after ordering Scott to “Put your hands where I can see them” immediately yells “Drop it!”.

From the pictures at the link, the weapon was in its holster. At least one of the officers was close enough to touch Scott, so he must have been close enough to see whether the weapon was holstered. Was the officer who touched Scott one of the three who shot him?

Finally, the article states “The shooting wouldn’t have happened, he said, if Scott had complied with the commands issued by police to get on the ground.”

Scott’s hands were not visible to the officer. Officer requests Scott show his hands. Scott apparently complies, because the officer can now see something in his hands. Officer requests Scott drop what is in his hands. Officer also requests Scott get on ground.

So Scott complied with the first request. Officer states that he would not have been shot had he complied with the third request (”Get on the ground”). This at least implies that Scott complied with the request to drop the weapon.

Strangely, the officer does NOT state that he was shot because he refused to drop the weapon, but that he was shot because he refused to get down on the ground.


40 posted on 09/25/2010 11:26:20 AM PDT by Stegall Tx (Joined the Obama economy on 19 March, 2010.)
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To: Mr Rogers
VERY dangerous to carry a 1911 with one in the tube and hammer down, as to get the hammer down, there is risk in firing the weapon...

*if* that pic is his weapon, most likely it had an empty chamber, and with the holster being presented, was most likely being withdrawn slowly to 'dis-arm' or very rapidly in an attempt to take out three guys who already had him sighted up...

that only leaves suicide by cop, and ifn thats the case, they [the gov] havent even began to make a case from what ive seen...prepping for a camping trip and movin in with yer sweetie usually arent the actions of somebody gettin ready to check out...

41 posted on 09/25/2010 11:43:01 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: IrishCatholic

>Because, I want to know the FACTS if I can get them.

There are enough facts to 1) condemn the officers, and 2) warrant investigation into cover-up/conspiracy/tampering-with-evidence.
Consider these facts:
1 - initially, multiple witness statements directly contradicted the police version of events at about a rate of 77%. (40/52 = .7692...)
2 - initial reports had the crowd of witnesses confused as to why they were being evacuated... countering the Costco claim of ‘violent irrationality.’
3 - initial reports had multiple officers issuing conflicting commands; later [police] reports have one officer issuing conflicting commands...
—... this in itself is proof of either a lethal Command & Control failure/incompetence OR conspiracy/obstruction-of-justice (at the very least falsification of official records, and possibly perjury).
4 - the inquest testimonies have the police setting up prior to the evacuation approximately 30 min and yet the claim is they were not prepared?
5 - the “un-usability” of the video footage for the store coupled with the non-release of the initial 911 call[s?] coupled with the initial eyewitness accounts differing from the police accounts to such a high degree.


42 posted on 09/25/2010 11:50:59 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gilbo_3
furthermore, with all the 'prep time' that cops had, why were 3 inexperienced cops [1-2 of them with prior kills] the ones being directed by the 'loss prevention specialist' to zoom in on the supposed perp ??? with a mass eveac of a busy store and people literally everywhere in the scene ???

command failure is putting it very lightly...

43 posted on 09/25/2010 11:52:18 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3
that only leaves suicide by cop, and ifn thats the case, they [the gov] havent even began to make a case from what ive seen.

If one wants to ignore the levels of morphine (six times a normally lethal dose) and Xanax (one times a normally lethal dose) in his body, as well as several other medications.

44 posted on 09/25/2010 11:53:04 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
Why didn’t Samantha Sterner, Scott’s girlfriend, show up at the coroner’s inquest?

She knows that telling the truth under oath won't give her the outcome she wants.

45 posted on 09/25/2010 11:54:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: OneWingedShark
to be fair, the witness accounts at this stage of the game are gonna be of the 'us vs them' cherry picking variety...

the real issue is gonna be whether or not those other witnesses will still be ready to testify after several more months of coersion...

46 posted on 09/25/2010 11:55:28 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Moonman62
strawman, if hes been takin the meds for a long period of time...even if he was abusing them, a costco encounter isnt a suicide by cop scenario for a depressed guy with attitude...

we had one locally a while back...guy took a pellet rifle into a bank, let the calvary surround the place, then ran across the open parking lot towards cops...

shopping for camping gear and applying for a *future* costco card indicates he had things planned that required life...

47 posted on 09/25/2010 11:59:48 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: redreno
Fast bastard Mosher just loooves to kill folks, knowing the DA will cover it up.

Just a few more weeks on paid vacation and he can go out and plug a few more citizens. Yee-haw!

48 posted on 09/25/2010 12:04:40 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: redreno
Fat bastard Mosher just loooves to kill folks, knowing the DA will cover it up.

Just a few more weeks on paid vacation and he can go out and plug a few more citizens. Yee-haw!

49 posted on 09/25/2010 12:04:59 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Moonman62

The DA has packed the proceeding to whitewash fat bastard Mosher and the other two trigger happy stooges. It’s a frickin’ joke.


50 posted on 09/25/2010 12:06:46 PM PDT by behzinlea
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