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Is pet food actually POISONING our dogs?
Daily Mail ^ | 26th September 2010 | Rebecca Hosking

Posted on 09/26/2010 3:45:01 AM PDT by the scotsman

'Rebecca Hosking decided to turn detective when her collie fell ill. What the woman who led Britain's first campaign to ban plastic bags discovered will alarm every animal lover.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 09/26/2010 3:45:02 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Hmmmmm.....

Very interesting.

Bump for replies.


2 posted on 09/26/2010 4:01:48 AM PDT by Ronin (If he were not so gruesomely incompetent and dangerous, Obama would just be silly.)
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To: the scotsman

From the article:
In North America, ‘mammalian meat and bone meal’, a key animal component in pet food, has been shown to include the ground-up remains of euthanised cats and dogs – flea collars, name tags, microchips and all.

How is this allowed?


3 posted on 09/26/2010 4:09:01 AM PDT by greenhornet68
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To: the scotsman
They eat their own poop, and I'm supposed to worry about their food?

CC

4 posted on 09/26/2010 4:14:18 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (ostende mihi pecuniam!)
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To: the scotsman

I’ve long heard that a raw diet is best. I just don’t know how to do it.

Anyone?


5 posted on 09/26/2010 4:17:55 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

http://www.barfworld.com/html/barf_diet/barfdiet_specific.shtml

This is a good blueprint. It is not easy or cheap to do.


6 posted on 09/26/2010 4:23:39 AM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: the scotsman

I can understand not wanting to feed your animals or your family so much processed food.

I think it will be interesting, since her dog works among animals -sheep, it appears from her photo-, if the raw meat diet gives her dog a taste for lamb (if you know what I mean).

I’d like to hear her discuss with vegetarians, their glowing reports of how well their dogs do on a vegatarian diet.

I noticed that in the comments section, most people who didn’t have their dogs eating commercial food, were cooking meat - not giving it to them raw - and also adding rice and vegetables - not exactly what wild dogs would do.

Commercial dog food hasn’t been around very long. My parents’ generation fed their dogs table scraps and rarely went to the vet - then again they rarely went to the doctor themselves.

All in all, I think she’s going off the deep end with the raw meat diet - though by writing this article, she’s probably pulling a few in with her.


7 posted on 09/26/2010 4:27:05 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: lovesdogs

Thank you.

I would like my pup, a chihuahua, to lose weight. I know a raw diet will help him. Being a chihuahua, I doubt it will be a huge financial burden.

I’m worried about keeping raw meet around ... in such small quantities.

Checking it out now.


8 posted on 09/26/2010 4:29:02 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: greenhornet68
‘mammalian meat and bone meal’

I've never seen this listed on any bag and I read ingredient lists before I buy anything.

9 posted on 09/26/2010 4:32:36 AM PDT by Varda
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To: the scotsman
I thought all of this was pretty much common knowledge. That's why our critters eat commercial dog food that's labeled ‘chicken’ or ‘beef’, and table scraps (as long as it's not pasta or potatoes].
10 posted on 09/26/2010 4:35:57 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: the scotsman

I’ve never been much in favor of commercial dog food. Dogs have been sharing our meals for 10,000 years and doing just fine. In my opinion commercial dog food was invented as a way to sell scraps and floor sweepings illegal to sell for human consumption.


11 posted on 09/26/2010 4:39:06 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: BunnySlippers
I've been using the raw diet for about 4 years now with great results.

Commercial kibble is basically human food byproducts that no dog would touch with a 10 foot bone, which is coated with palatable fat prior to putting it in the bag. Yummmm....

To get started with raw diet, check out books by Ian Billinghurst (Give Your Dog a Bone, Grow Your Pups With Bones, etc). Part of the idea is that they don't just eat raw meat... its a carefully considered diet that mimics what dogs eat in the wild, modified to fit into a modern families kitchen. This includes lots of bone with that meat, some fruits and vegetables, and some oils. There is also something to the method... how much to vary what you give your dog, again to mimic the varied diet in the wild. Consider that with commercial kibble, you are giving your dog the same each thing, 1 cup or whatever of X, twice a day, for his/her entire life. That is NOT how dogs eat in the wild!

12 posted on 09/26/2010 4:51:51 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: C210N

“some fruits and vegetables, and some oils.”

Maybe you read a different article. This woman seemed to be saying that she was only going to feed her dog raw meat because that’s what wild dogs eat.
Your diet sounds much more balanced than hers.


13 posted on 09/26/2010 4:58:04 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: C210N

Thanks, I will look for the book.


14 posted on 09/26/2010 4:59:25 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: R. Scott

You’re right...if you read the labels of most commercial dog foods they’re filled with awful things. One of our dogs can’t handle corn...and it’s almost impossible to find a commercial kibble w/out corn (we have found a couple.) In looking for foods w/out corn, we’ve read all the labels and ingredients on most dog foods and they’re using the parts humans can’t eat to make the dog food.

As to the raw diet, one of our dogs can tolerate it, the other can’t...it gives her “the runs.” So we have a mish mash of things we feed them, including a high quality kibble w/out grains, corn, etc. and then some raw, in moderation, plus things like cottage cheese (really good for most dogs, high protein, low fat) and plain yogurt.

I do think some dogs are prone to illness (genetics do play a part) no matter what you feed them. One of ours has Cushing’s and has had mast cell tumors and various other problems throughout her life starting when she was just a pup, but she’s still alive at 9 even though she’s had numerous serious health issues. The other dog, same breed, is healthy and has never had a health problem.

We feed them good food because it does help their energy level and reduces issues w/their skin, even though it doesn’t guarantee “perfect” health.


15 posted on 09/26/2010 5:02:48 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: C210N

Wow, when did you buy “Give Your Dog a Bone”?

It’s out of print and $73.00 as a used book. :)


16 posted on 09/26/2010 5:03:26 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

Google “Northwest Naturals” - they sell frozen meat bars (buffalo, beef, etc).

Expensive as hell, but it’s my wife’s idea - the damn dogs eat better than I do.


17 posted on 09/26/2010 5:05:33 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: the scotsman

Dogs and cats, just like people, are living longer than they ever have. The dog next door is almost 20 and has always eaten commercial food. My last dog made it to almost 15. We had to feed him ground turkey, rice and eggs, because of a genetic condition.

My current dogs, both five, eat mostly commercial food, Wellness. We tried the raw diet for many months and they hated it. It made my one dog puke all the time.

I think people like to worry about everything.


18 posted on 09/26/2010 5:07:45 AM PDT by beandog
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To: dawn53
there are plenty of good dog food brands out there which I'm sure you wouldn't find these issues. You just won't find them at Wally World or the Grocery store, Brands such a Innova EVO, Solid Gold and Wellness come to mind. There are many others. This link will help you with the decision

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

19 posted on 09/26/2010 5:10:51 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: dawn53

The last dog we had was a small Pomeranian. All he ate was our table scraps and the occasional Taco Bell salad. He even liked corn on the cob but we had to hold it for him. He died of old age.


20 posted on 09/26/2010 5:12:40 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Stosh

Check out Merrick Food. It is approved for human consumption and is one of the best I have found.


21 posted on 09/26/2010 5:13:43 AM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: the scotsman
Here is a copy of an article I received a while back. There are various sites that rate the dog foods. (Sorry I don't have the specific source of this article but it came from our dog trainer.)

Here is a longer list: Alpo Prime Cuts / Score 81 C Artemis Large/Medium Breed Puppy / Score 114 A+ Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+ Authority Harvest Baked Less Active / Score 93 B Beowulf Back to Basics / Score 101 A+ Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F Blackwood 3000 Lamb and Rice / Score 83 C Blue Buffalo Chicken and Rice / Score 106 A+ Burns Chicken and Brown Rice / Score 107 A+ Canidae / Score 112 A+ Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+ Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A Diamond Performance / Score 85 C Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+ Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance Venison and Brown Rice / Score 106 A+ Dick Van Patten’s Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+ EaglePack Holistic / Score 102 A+ Eukanuba Adult / Score 81 C Eukanuba Puppy / Score 79 C Flint River Senior / Score 101 A+ Foundations / Score 106 A+ Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 B Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D Innova Dog / Score 114 A+ Innova Evo / Score 114 A+ Innova Large Breed Puppy / Score 122 A+ Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+ Member’s Mark Chicken and Rice / Score 84 C Merrick Wilderness Blend / Score 127 A+ Nature’s Recipe / Score 100 A Nature’s Recipe Healthy Skin Venison and Rice / Score 116 A+ Nature’s Variety Raw Instinct / Score 122 A+ Nutra Nuggets Super Premium Lamb Meal and Rice / Score 81 C Nutrience Junior Medium Breed Puppy / Score 101 A+ Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B Nutro Max Adult / Score 93 B Nutro Natural Choice Lamb and Rice / Score 98 A Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B Nutro Natural Choice Oatmeal / Score 101 A+ Nutro Natural Choice Puppy Wheat Free / Score 86 B Nutro Natural Choice Senior / Score 95 A Nutro Ultra Adult / Score 104 A+ Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F Premium Edge Chicken, Rice and Vegetables Adult Dry / Score 109 A+ Pro Nature Puppy / Score 80 C Pro Plan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+ Pro Plan Sensitive Stomach / Score 94 A Purina Beneful / Score 17 F Purina Dog / Score 62 F Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F Purina One Large Breed Puppy / Score 62 F Royal Canin Boxer / Score 103 A+ Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+ Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+ Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A Solid Gold / Score 99 A Summit / Score 99 A Timberwolf Organics Wild & Natural Dry / Score 120 A+ Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+ Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A Besides the criteria that you listed, one other thing you have to look out for is whether or not the manufacturer uses ethoxyquin as a preservative for fats and fish meals. It is not allowed in human food, but is allowed in pet foods, and it is a carcinogen. To further complicate matters, you can’t just look on the ingredients list to see if ethoxyquin is there. If they source fish meal with it already added by their supplier, they do not have to list it in the ingredients because they didn’t add it themselves. Also, some dog food manufacturers claim that it is destroyed in processing, while others claim it is definitely NOT destroyed and remains in the food. I frequent a discussion board for Yorkshire Terriers, and someone there contacted every manufacturer they could to find out if ethoxyquin was in their dog food. Most of them gave very direct answers. What I found notable was that Diamond said that they had it in their dog food, and they were at the epicenter of the fiasco regarding melamine contamination of dog food. Besides their own brands, they also contract manufacture for four premium brands — Artemis, Canidae, Taste of the Wild, and Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance. The first three — Artemis, Canidae, Taste of the Wild — all readily admitted that their foods contained ethoxyquin. However, Natural Balance danced all around the issue, and after several emails, never gave a direct answer. They are one of the brands that claim the carcinogen degrades during processing. I would never feed any of those four brands, even though they are otherwise, outside of the ethoxyquin issue, very good foods. The brands I found that meet the criteria as excellent are Acana, Merrick, Evo, Fromm, Honest Kitchen, Innova, Wellness, California Natural, and Nature’s Variety. (This is not an all-inclusive list, it’s just the ones I’ve been able to find locally). I’ve also found that feeding the super premium foods is actually cheaper than feeding the grocery store crap. The grocery store crap is full of fillers (like corn) that don’t satisfy a dog and pass right through them, so a dog has to eat a much larger serving size to get satisfaction and get the amount needed for proper nutrition. So much more waste. The super premium bag might cost more, but the bag lasts a lot longer and I save money in the long run. (As an example, Iams recommends feeding a 25 lb dog 4 cups per day, on Solid Gold they would only need 1.5 cups per day). You can actually SAVE money by feeding the premium brands. Right now I’m feeding the Prairie line from Nature’s Variety. There are five different “flavors” (beef, chicken, lamb, venison, and salmon) kibble, and six flavors in their wet food, as well as frozen raw. You can switch between any of these without transitioning and they never get bored. I have a senior that gets bored easily, and she readily eats this stuff. It’s “All Life Stages,” so I can give the same food to my four month old pup. Here is another good site for dog food comparisons: http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/

22 posted on 09/26/2010 5:22:28 AM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: BunnySlippers
I’ve long heard that a raw diet is best. I just don’t know how to do it.

You go to the store and buy yourself a pack of chicken necks or leg and thigh quarters. If a large dog give them the whole quarter or three necks a day. Adjust for smaller dogs. The digestive system of a dog is nothing like a human, so don't feed them like you would a human. Their system is short and very acidic. They can eat darn near anything.

23 posted on 09/26/2010 5:29:11 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Dem Guard

I’ve fed my retrievers Solid Gold/raw meat & bones since the 90’s. Compared to my dogs back in the 70’s & 80’s when I fed em “whatever”, my dogs now have less skin problems & seem generally healthier-they’re living longer now too :)


24 posted on 09/26/2010 5:30:24 AM PDT by orlop9
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To: beandog

The last 3 generations of dogs (Labs and retrievers) I’ve had have been fed Purina One with great results. My vet asks me every time I take them in for vaccinations what I feed them (trying to push the pricey Eukanuba). They have bright eyes, shiny, healthy coats, plenty of energy and absolutely no health problems whatsoever. They get supplemented with raw carrots, broccoli, corn, when our garden is producing, along with whatever else they forage on their own, like the occasional rabbit or squirrel. My oldest is going on 12 and you would think she’s a young dog the way she acts. The mere mention of the work “hike” sends her into a tizzy. My next door neighbor feeds her dogs the same and she had one Walker coon hound live to be 19 and an American Eskimo live to be 21.


25 posted on 09/26/2010 5:31:43 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: greenhornet68; All

More scare tactics from the loony left. Most dogs need more exercise, not different food. Domesticated animals live longer than wild or feral animals.


26 posted on 09/26/2010 5:32:12 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: the scotsman

After I lost a third dog to bone cancer, I asked the vet what was causing it...he said, it’s the dog food. Some years ago my mother in law had a dachshund who lived to be 18. She ate only what my mother in law cooked for her, which included raw hamburger/beef, rice, and wheat germ.


27 posted on 09/26/2010 5:32:59 AM PDT by hershey
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To: BunnySlippers
If your dog needs to lose weight you don't have to with raw food. Go with a grain-free dry food. It's the grains (lots of corn) in most commercial foods that put the weight on many dogs). I don't know what your dog weighs but being a Chi he couldn't possibly need more than 1/4 cup twice a day, probably less. That with a couple of walks every day and the weight will come off.
Re keeping raw food around: I freeze it. 1/4 pound per baggie. Then I'm never taking out more than will be used in 24 - 36 hours. Never had a problem.
28 posted on 09/26/2010 5:37:04 AM PDT by Shannon
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To: orlop9

I hear ya. I’ve had dogs all my life, and I now feel guilty
for some of the crap I feed them not knowing what I was doing. Our last dog loved grapes, and later I found it poisons their kidneys....Luckily I didn’t do that a lot. We
feed a dog Billy Jack based on a trainers recommendation and later found this is rated rather low too. Thank God for the internet and these latest studies.


29 posted on 09/26/2010 5:37:23 AM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: BunnySlippers
You might also find this FAQ about raw diets for pets useful. Its at http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html if you are interested.


30 posted on 09/26/2010 5:39:42 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Yikes! Well, I bought it via Amazon 4 years ago for MUCH less. At that price, I’d go to the library or borrow from someone who bought it 4 years (or more) ago.


31 posted on 09/26/2010 5:41:19 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: BunnySlippers

Do a Google search


32 posted on 09/26/2010 5:41:33 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Think. It isn't illegal yet.)
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To: Dem Guard

my mom feeds here 17 yr old poodle McDonalds burgers and provolone


33 posted on 09/26/2010 5:46:16 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: Ronin

I won’t advertise, but my husband works for a pet food distribution company that only sells organic animal food. There is good stuff out there for your pets! You just have to stop shopping at grocery stores and big pet markets. Try independent pet stores for the best food available - made without animal by-products and grain free. Also when you look at the price, make note of the amount recommended to feed your size animal. You will find that it works out less expensive than the Walmart brands because you feed less and there are less health problems. For instance, our adult black lab eats only 2 1/2 cups of dry dog food a day. She is now 8 years old and has been healthy all her life and looks beautiful!


34 posted on 09/26/2010 5:52:14 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: Celtic Conservative
If my dog were eating poop I'd be very concerned. All pet foods are not equal in quality.

Feeding a cheap, low quality food will save money now but will cost you later in vet bills.

Here's a great site for dog food ratings:
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/

35 posted on 09/26/2010 5:53:34 AM PDT by Shannon
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To: C210N

I just looked at the Los Angeles Public Library. They don’t have it. I’ll keep checking eBay.


36 posted on 09/26/2010 5:53:48 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Dem Guard

Yeah, my golden LOVES raisins, used to give ‘em to her when she was a pup, didn’t know they were bad for the dog.


37 posted on 09/26/2010 5:55:19 AM PDT by orlop9
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To: DAC21

“there are plenty of good dog food brands out there”

Yes, there are. We pick and choose, and find some that smell and look as though WE could eat them. Bingo! Our dog stays healthy.

I don’t think a dog needs to be eating just raw meat and bones - we had one dog that lived 17 years on people food. She ate what we ate. Spaghetti, corn flakes, hamburger, hot dogs, pizza - whatever was acceptable for human consumption. That turns out to be a pretty good standard.


38 posted on 09/26/2010 5:56:14 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: the scotsman
the woman who led Britain's first campaign to ban plastic bags

Sounds like a reputable source. yeah.

39 posted on 09/26/2010 5:58:48 AM PDT by McGruff (Rebellion is Brewing! Just Vote the Bums Out!)
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To: Stosh
Expensive as hell, but it’s my wife’s idea - the damn dogs eat better than I do.

lol, I've often said if there is such a thing as reincarnation, I want to return as my wife's dog.

40 posted on 09/26/2010 5:59:20 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: greenhornet68
Not a attack on you.But I call BS on that

http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/Products/AnimalFoodFeeds/PetFood/UCM2006475

41 posted on 09/26/2010 6:02:19 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: BunnySlippers
We shoot lots of deer on my property every year, and butcher our own. You always have scraps and ‘bloodshot’ parts that aren't fit for burger, so I cut those up and freeze them in small packages for my dog. Also the heart and liver. My beagle eats quite well.

I do cook it, but only to med rare.

42 posted on 09/26/2010 6:07:11 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Varda

mammalian meat and bone meal’

Its anything left they can not even make balogna out of, or the hide. Plus it is shipped without refridgeration to pet food factory.

Sounds like normal dog diet - eat 100% of what they catch, I have concerns with the “other” stuff the pet food makers add.


43 posted on 09/26/2010 6:12:17 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Let the other side get all wee-wee'd up, Remember come November)
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To: Dem Guard

I just bought some cans of Merrick’s and my dog LOVES it! He has been eating Iams his whole life, but now he’s going through chemo and needs something heartier, healthier, and more appealing. He polished off a can of “turducken” in less than 30 seconds!


44 posted on 09/26/2010 6:12:17 AM PDT by AirForceBrat23
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To: Dem Guard

I just bought some cans of Merrick’s and my dog LOVES it! He has been eating Iams his whole life, but now he’s going through chemo and needs something heartier, healthier, and more appealing. He polished off a can of “turducken” in less than 30 seconds!


45 posted on 09/26/2010 6:12:20 AM PDT by AirForceBrat23
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To: Shannon

Corpraphagism happens when mineral deficiencies exist in a dog’s diet.

Some dogs have more culinary taste than others. A friend’s dog prefers the dry, crunchy variety of turd over the moist and meaty kind.


46 posted on 09/26/2010 6:16:22 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: numberonepal

Chicken bones are NOT good for dogs! Might want to talk with a good Vet about “chicken bones”, unless you have no problem with a splintered sharp bone lodged in your dog’s neck.


47 posted on 09/26/2010 6:19:39 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Let the other side get all wee-wee'd up, Remember come November)
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To: dusttoyou

Raw bones don’t splinter - only cooked ones.


48 posted on 09/26/2010 6:24:53 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: R. Scott

THE preferred dog food here is peanut butter sans. We do not consistently let Sheppie have them, but he loves them.


49 posted on 09/26/2010 6:26:38 AM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: McGruff
Sounds like a reputable source. yeah.

Yep. People are also not taking genetics into account. If you obtain a "pure breed" from a less than reputable source (puppy mills, pet stores, casual "backyard" breeders, etc) you are asking for health issues from inbreeding, i.e., certain types of cancer, hypothyroidism, eye problems, etc. People always ask me where I get my dogs because they are always so healthy and active. As far as Labs and retrievers go, my pat response is "find someone who is hunting their dogs and get a puppy from them". The bloodlines will generally be much better and more diverse than someone who is showing their dogs. Hunting dogs are bred for intelligence and temperament. Show dogs are bred for looks. Out of the dozens of dogs I've had over the years I have never had any major health issues with puppies I got from hunting stock. Certain breeds also are more prone to health issues than others.

50 posted on 09/26/2010 6:28:43 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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