Skip to comments.Hawaii Dems button-lipped on Obama eligibility status
Posted on 09/26/2010 8:13:34 AM PDT by RobinMasters
It long has been documented that when Barack Obama was picked by the Democratic Party to be its 2008 presidential candidate, only one state Hawaii was sent a document from Nancy Pelosi certifying that he was qualified under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
Now a series of blogs reports are heating up the issue again, this time revealing documents that showed it apparently was Hawaii's local Democratic Party that refused to include that certification on its paperwork naming Obama as its candidate.
Even today, the Hawaii Democratic Party was staying mum, declining attempts by WND to obtain a comment on why it handled the 2008 presidential race paperwork as it did.
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Why would Pelosi only send this to one state?
RATS happily commiting treaon? How bout dat?
There’s a reason his origins are obsure & mysterious.
I can only venture a guess that it was because that is the state where he claimed to be born and thus extablish his citizenship eligibility.
They ALL know why they did it and none of it was good for our country. Evil people.
I’m so going to win the bet w/ my wine guy. I bet him a bottle of wine that barry either resigns, is impeached or is arrested before his term is over.
He said no way and asked why would I say that, I went into the whole “birther” bit and also told him that was the only way the puppeteers could make room for hilliarys 2012 run.
He is not into politics, at all, doesn’t even vote. I told him to go register, then go vote for whom ever I tell him to vote for. He didn’t buy that one, lol.
When this finally gets proven, that is, (o)bama was never a legitimate candidate, that could be the spark to start CW 2. On that day, I would not want to be a dem. or anyone who moved this collosal scam forth.
Because on its own form Hawaii refused to include language that specifically stated that Obama was legally and constitutionally eligible to run for POTUS. One day fater that, Nancy signed the one document certifying his eligiblity as legally and constitutionally eligible to Hawaii. NANCY PELSOI is the one who certified for HAWAII that Barack Obama was eligible to run for POTUS.
Hawaii refused to do so because they KNOW he is not eligible.
Hawaii is also likely guilty of MASSIVE citizenship fraud and welfare fraud committed from the date the Islands became a state. Anyone could get a certificate of live birth for a baby “born at home” with nothing other than the signature of a “witness”. At the time Hawaii had a large influx of immigrants from Asia, remember VietNam? A lot of those folks came through Hawaii as their Ellis Island. Only Hawaii didn’t handle it so well. So they made it easy to “late” register births of babies so that they could qualify for state and federal assistance. Those babies had no right to American Citizenship, and who knows how many of them there are.
Obama happened to fall into that time period. So quite literally he could easily be one of those babies, if indeed as suspected, his birth documents show a late form, and a place of birth as a home address.
Now, take it just one step further, Obama knows all about this, as many Hawaiians do. The State is DESPERATE to keep this scandal from becoming public, because the scope of it is HUGE, we aren’t talking about a few hundred in a year, we are talking about thousands over more than a decade. Its how Hawaii got more federal assistance, sign up more babies for every program on the books from schools to immunization, to welfare.. you name it.
So Hawaii is desperate to keep THAT off the radar of the public and press. Obama, knowing this, has likely made it clear to Hawaiian officials - including a previously unfriendly Governor Linda Lingle - ‘hey you better protect my records, or this whole mess in its entirety is likely to become public’. Thats some motivation don’t you think?
Hawaii is NOT protecting Obama per-say, though Obama is USING that in order to cover up his real ineligiblity for POTUS.
Hawaii is covering up its own massive crimes. Citizenship fraud on an institutional scale, and welfare fraud also on an institutional scale.
Now, Nancy has to get documents that state Obama is eligible. Hawaii refused to certify him as eligible. Thus Nancy had a choice: Fradulently certify Obama for Hawaii herself, against the constitution - this is an illegal act- or take Obama off the Ballot. Imagine what would have happened if she took him off the ballot! OMG, the entire democrat party would have been out for her head, and I don’t mean the elected officials, I mean the koolaid drinking masses who were all whipped up and wee weeed up, and yea, riots. At the very least.
So Nancy broke the law and certified Barack Obama herself for the State of Hawaii. That is the reason this document went to Hawaii and only Hawaii.
I agree, but His cabinet knows and all should be charged. One more thing, I am surprised at our senior military staff. And disappointed.
It’s a good thing we have laws in this country. /s
Because they are trying to stay out of prison when the truth finally, inevitably, comes out??? I think so...
I thing you are 100% right...I’ve felt this way for a long time, too. Obama will keep Hawaii’s fraud covered up, if Hawaii keeps his fraud covered up. It’s the way Obummer does business...”I won’t tell on you, if you don’t tell on me.” IT’S GOVERNMENT BY BLACKMAIL.
Isn’t it though?
Ultimately I think the blatant and wanton breaking of our laws by our government and government officials is a real factor in the spontaneous rise of the Tea Party.
We the people aren’t stupid. Now we are beginning to see the power we really have.
But for myself, I want to see this become 24/7 all over the news big. Not because I can’t stand the cretin occupying and usurping the White House. But because I am SICK of people like Pelosi who simply do what ever they want with no regard for the laws we average people MUST obey.
What the State of Hawaii has done is literally unforgivable. Whats more, it is uncorrectable. There is no way now to deal with the corruption they created. What do we do? Strip every person with a late filing in Hawaii of their citizenship? Where do you even begin to do that? How do you tell the difference between those babies legitimately born at home from those who were born outside the United States? You can’t. Thats why Obama can’t prove he was born there.
Thats why Hawaii refused to certify him and so Nancy HAD to.
Get this little nugget, the same lawyer who works for the DNC, was also Stanley Ann Dunham’s lawyer in her divorce from Lolo. That lawyer has likely seen all of Obama’s birth documents, and likely KNEW he could not prove he was born in the United States. So it makes perfect sense why Hawaii as a state, with that lawyer as the Democrat Party’s Legal council, refused to certify Obama. The lawyer KNOWS Obama isn’t certifiable.
Ain’t life just a hoot?
I want to see those responsible for this pay the price.
Unfortunately it’s to late and the damage has already been done by BO and company.
Even if it’s proven down the road I doubt anything that should be done i.e. trials for treason, reversing any and all laws signed by Obama will ever happen.
Hopefully after November 2010 we’ll start to clean up the mess this administration has made.
Do you remember Bill Clintons Impeachment>? Do you remember how many senators actually went to the evidence room to read the evidence?
This is a smoking gun, but it will not matter because power protects power. They will not act.
Or his muslim brothers will martyr him.
Or his democrat buddies will off him so they can use his bloody corpse to ram through every one of his foul plans in his memory. (Of course they'll frame a tea partier)
I've been wondering about this for the past few days.
Five states entered the Union in the 20th century: Oklahoma (1907), Arizona (1912) and New Mexico (1912), Alaska (1959) and Hawaii (1959).
Only Hawaii is mentioned as having used "certificates of Hawaiian birth" to artificially inflate its population with an eye to receiving federal funds.
Had any of the other four states done likewise in order to more easily join the Union/get federal funds and support? I haven't heard anything at all about a "certificate of Arizonan birth" or "certificate of Alaskan birth" for example.
I believe most of the scenario you laid outbut, until we see the full documents, we will never know for sure.
However, there is a possibility that Barack insane Obama was born in Kenya or even a single mother’s home in Canada, and that his grandmother registered him on August 4, 1961 as having been born elsewhere but registration filed in Honolulu Hawaii.
I also think he was struck off his mother’s Passport application because, as the fine print states, if there is anyone on this application who has renounced their citizenship or changed their citizenship, please strike them off, and apply on a different form elsewhere. This is the only thing that can explain the cross out lines, and the strange name Soebarak, written underneath.
The whole thing is extremely strange from beginning to end, and it is actually becoming stranger as more and more appears.
Resign, Mr. Obama.
I want to ask what documentation has been shown to prove that the Hawaiian Democratic Party refused to certify Barack insane Obama? Is this eyewitness testimony, rumors, or has someone actually found and produced a letter?
Damn, I left out murdered. I wonder if that will nix me winning the bet.
I've been thinking this for some time. Elevate him to Kennedy brother status and generate a huge retaliatory sympathy vote. That would seem like a viable plan to some of those Marxists.
Yours is as cogent and believable an explanation as I’ve seen, and it makes a lot of sense.
AZ proposes their own barry soetoro birth certificate bill
January 22, 2010
Birth certificate posts
Bill passes first hurdle (Feb 22)
Passes second hurdle (Apr 19)
Birther bill critics: Rep Sinema, SoS Bennett
Rep Judy Burges
Seems Arizona state lawmakers want to make sure future presidential candidates provide proof of natural born citizenship BEFORE they get placed on the ballot. The proof will be independently assessed by the secretary of state, and if unsatisfied, the SoS can withhold the candidates name from the ballot.
Thats a step beyond Florida Rep Bill Poseys bill.
The measure, HB 2441, was introduced by Rep Judy Burges (R-District 4), who apparently had no comment.
SEN SYLVIA ALLEN (R-Snowflake):
Certainly, there has been controversy over President Obama and his birth certificate, where he was born, etc. It just makes sense and will stop any controversy in the future to just show you are a natural born citizen.
And of course the democrats immediately think it refers to barry. Why? It cannot be used retroactively. And if barry is a natural born citizen, why are they even commenting on it let alone characterizing it as ridiculous and offensive. And in the state of Arizona, one would think a democrat would want this measure to pass because of Sen McCains tenuous NBC status on the infinitesimal though possible chance he were to run again.
REP KRYSTEN SINEMA (D-Phoenix) said it was:
ridiculous and offensive.
He clearly met the standards to run for president and hold office as president because the federal government installed him as president in January of last year. The question has been asked and answered.
[By whom and what was the answer?]
Notice Rep Sinema mentions nothing about his COLB or birth status just that the federal government installed him. Yes, they installed him. Perfect word. Just like he was coronated not nominated. He hasnt earned anything and is an empty suit. He will go down as the most arrogant fraud in US history and right down the hall with be the most corrupt media in US history.
They could not stand the thought of having a woman as president. Especially THAT women. And they got something worse than a woman they didnt get a man.
They got a ditherer.
And the ditherer has been dithering while the job market burned.
Then Rep Sinema makes a curious statement about the likelihood of it being enforced when it hasnt even been passed.
The secretary of state has no jurisdiction over federal law or over the federal government.
What federal law overrides the constitutional requirement for president?
And why would the federal government be involved in the placing or the installing of a candidate on the Arizona ballot?
The only reason she mentioned the federal government is because she knows the candidate for president (the only one known at this point) has already made it past the S of S but would not if the bill passed between now and next election.
Her comment otherwise has no meaning and therefore would not have even been thought of.
Why would she care about someone she doesnt even know someone whose name hasnt even been put on a ballot in reference to a bill that has not passed and maybe never will?
Your boss needs a license to run the business you work for. You learn that in two years time, when he is required by law to renew his operating license to remain the boss, a new requirement MAY be put in place. You hear he MAY have to submit his birth certificate to the state licensing board for review before he gets his new license.
Do you automatically assume your boss will not be able to do so if hes been running the business for a year and has worked in the field for more than a decade? Besides, whats the big deal, everyone has a birth certificate, right?
Would you think two steps ahead of something you have no reason to doubt?
You might when it means keeping your own job if you know/suspect your boss got the job because strings were pulled and that he doesnt really have a birth certificate or wont be able to produce one because it would blow his cover and expose all the lies he has told about himself.
You dont need a deposition you dont need a birth certificate she said it all already. She admitted there is a possibility the bill might have to be challenged and the only person it would apply to is someone she already knows will be running for president and since no one has announced their intention it has to be the incumbent president.
Signed, sealed, delivered.
Any Arizona constituent out there want to solve the mystery once and for all in one short legally-videotaped visit?
Source: Az Capitol Times Luige del Puerto
16-507. Presentation of presidential electors on ballot
When presidential electors are to be voted for, the candidates therefor of each party shall be grouped and printed together, arranged in each group in alphabetical order, and the entire group of electors of each party shall be enclosed in a scroll or bracket to the right and opposite the center on which shall be printed in bold type the surname of the presidential candidate represented. To the right of and on a line with the surname shall be placed a square in which the voter may indicate his choice by a mark as defined in section 16-400, and one mark opposite a group of presidential electors shall be counted as a vote for each elector in such group.
Amended Bill [emphasis added]
REFERENCE TITLE: presidential candidates; proof of qualifications
State of Arizona
House of Representatives
Second Regular Session
(11) Representatives: Burges, Ash, Barnes, Biggs, Gowan, Hendrix, Lesko, Mason, Montenegro, Seel, Williams
(4) Senators: Gray C, Gray L, Harper, Pearce R
(19) Representatives: Antenori, Barto, Boone, Court, Crump, Driggs, Goodale, Jones, Kavanagh, Konopnicki, McComish, McLain, Nichols, Pratt, Reagan, Stevens, Tobin, Weiers JP, Yarbrough
(6) Senators: Allen S, Gorman, Huppenthal, Melvin, Nelson, Verschoor
amending section 16-507, Arizona Revised Statutes; relating to conduct of elections.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
Section 1. Section 16-507, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
16-507. Presentation of presidential electors on ballot; notice; affidavit; verification
A. When presidential electors are to be voted for, the candidates therefor of each party shall be grouped and printed together, arranged in each group in alphabetical order, and the entire group of electors of each party shall be enclosed in a scroll or bracket to the right and opposite the center on which shall be printed in bold type the surname of the presidential candidate represented. To the right of and on a line with the surname shall be placed a square in which the voter may indicate his the voters choice by a mark as defined in section 16-400, and one mark opposite a group of presidential electors shall be counted as a vote for each elector in such group.
B. The national political party committee for a candidate for president for a party that is entitled to continued representation on the ballot shall provide to the secretary of state written notice of that political partys nomination of its candidates for president and vice-president.
Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidates citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidates age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.
C. The secretary of state shall review the affidavit and other documents submitted by the national political party committee and, if the secretary of state has reasonable cause to believe that the candidate does not meet the citizenship, age and residency requirements prescribed by law, the secretary of state shall not place that candidates name on the ballot.
Recall that Arizona was the only state (Im aware of) where barry signed a form saying he was a NBC. Its clear they dont want to be burnt again. And its clear they dont trust the DNC to vouch.
Yours is as cogent and believable an explanation as I’ve seen, and it makes a lot of sense.
I have never heard of such. But those states also are on the Mainland. Hawaii is a place unto itself. As a resident, as a kid who was born there, we referred to the upper 48 as the Mainland. The people who lived there were mainlanders and somewhat mysterious. Hawaiians see themselves as different than mainlanders. They do things their own way.
Corruption has always been a part of life in Hawaii. Its very much about who you know and what you want done. It doesn’t really matter if its legal or not, if you know the right people you can get it done. Thats just how things are done there.
Hawaii also had an immigration problem a LOT bigger than any other state. It really was the Ellis Island of the Pacific. A great many refugees and migrants went to Hawaii fleeing war in south east Asia. On it’s own, Hawaii didn’t have the economy or the funds to pay for all of them. They had to find a way and they did in several different ways. Making it easy to register a birth up to a year after the baby was born was just one of them. Now I can’t prove that, nor can I prove that they used other means of generating federal assistance dollars for the state. But I can say this much, it can be proven.
That is why Hawaii is currently restricting access to every form of record it possibly can. It fears someone, or the press putting together enough of the details to PROVE what they were doing. HDOH is the battleground. That office holds all the evidence. So they are restricting everything they possibly can, even in violation of State law.
Personally I believe that that lawyer is a close family friend of Obama’s family and has greased the ways for Obama in ways we may never know.
He may be Obama’s fixer.
You are right. Until we get the documents, we wont know for sure.
Literally, eligibility for POTUS is something that a candidate has to PROVE. We the people don’t bear that burden, the candidate does.
Obama has YET to prove he is eligible for the office he holds. His COLB along with thousands of others “born” in Hawaii is completely worthless because of how his birth was registered, all thanks to the institutional citizenship and welfare fraud committed by the State of Hawaii.
I am so ashamed to admit I was born there. Oh and yes, I DO have a copy of my long form. I CAN prove I was legally born in Hawaii to two parents who are also citizens. Because I have my Long Form, I can prove I am eligible for POTUS. Obama can’t.
Hopefully it will never come to that. His untimely and bloody death would be just about the worst thing that could happen to us at this point.
A summary of the documents:
Agree time for them to pay.
>Proof that they know, and are complicit in flat out treason.<
Its not only the RATS who expect that Obama is ineligible but most PUBS are also convinced of that fact, and yet are mute on the subject. Where were McCain and Palin when they ran against 0 and never questioned his origins? Did they not have easy access to Obamas files and did they not consult Bush or Cheney? Doesnt anyone want to know who his political opponent is? Something very screwy here.
The Great Lie runs so deep in our political system that no politician is willing to get involved for fear of implicating him or herself.
That would never happen simply because there are enough SC Justices who don't believe in the RULE OF LAW, they think they should create law by themselves using their "superior and wise judgment".
That said, it would be quite a chaotic time if BHO's laws were declared null-and-void...Not to mention messy, with all the liberal brains splattered all over the place!
Treason never succeeeds because if it succeeds none dare call it treason.(I’m too lazy to look up who first said this.)
first there is the documents themselves.
Obama was certified as the candidate by the Hawaiian democrat party with no mention of the Constitution or eligibility despite the fact that there already existed a form that did just that for both Kerry and Gore in the two previous elections.
And there is the testimony of a Honolulu election official Tim Allen that every one he worked with knew Obama was ineligible.
Because, as the article states, "[Hawaii] state law requires the specific language."
"Tim The Tool Man" Taylor?
Like the other presidents who were not “native born” it will be surpressed until AFTER Zero has left office and then the others will be referenced as precedent. When one discovers one is dealing with decoption then you know what you are dealing with is “not of the light”. “For evil to triumph requries only that good men do nothing...”
Power protecting power is exactly why the Founding Fathers took special pains to spread the power among many people and 3 branches, and to give the people power to hold the government accountable.
I believe that the lawyers have so muddied the waters that there isn’t really any power left to the people to hold government accountable. I believe the way our law enforcement system functions ties the hands of people who want to see proper investigations done.
We can either say it’s too late, nothing can be done, and just bend over and watch our kids’ futures be screwed - or we can say it is too important to kiss good-bye without at least fighting for it.
That’s really where America is at. We need to convince our government critters that this is the battle we are prepared to fight, at whatever cost. Only then will they realize they could have another American Revolution on their hands if they don’t do what it takes to get our country back.
“.........other presidents .........”
Uh, there was only one where that might be the case, Chester A Arthur.
The evidence is their altering their protocols in order to specifically not certify Obama’s eligibility.
Normally they waited until about a month after the Democratic National Convention, signed a certification saying the candidate was Constitutionally eligible and was the candidate of both national and state democratic parties, and hand-delivered it to the Hawaii Elections Office.
In 2008 they signed a certification without the eligibility language AT THE CONVENTION, one day before Pelosi signed the DNC’s certificates. Then both the Hawaii Democratic Party’s certificate and the DNC’s altered (to include the eligibility language) certificate were mailed to the Hawaii Elections Office with a cover letter from Joe Sandler, the DNC’s attorney.
I contacted the HDP to ask who had approved the change to their certification and why, and they refused to answer. Apparently they’ve now also refused to answer the questions from WND. Joe Sandler’s office wouldn’t return my call.
I think the conservative justices do believe in the rule of law, but there is another reason they have not acted. There are a couple different options for what that reason might have been. I do believe they’ve given signs that they don’t like having to do what they’ve done. And I belive the judges in the eligibility cases have also given signs that they are making the judgments they have under duress.
When I have my documentation all in line I’ll post about it.
You are stating that there were other U.S. presidents who were (a) not "native born" (your term) and (b) that these presidents had the information on their birth status "surpressed" [sic] (you mean "suppressed") until after they had left office?
So, who are these presidents you mention?
Our first few Presidents were "Citizens at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" and thus eligible, the ones that followed were "natural born" (born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) and thus were eligible also. A possible exception was POTUS 21, Chester A. Arthur, of whom it was recently discovered that his father was still a British citizen at the time of his birth.
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
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