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Over 200,000 People Leave Mexican Border City Due to Violence
Latin American Herald Tribune ^ | Sept. 26, 2010 | Latin American Herald Tribune

Posted on 09/26/2010 10:15:14 AM PDT by AuntB

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – Some 230,000 people have left Ciudad Juarez, a border city that has become Mexico’s murder capital, in the past three years as the death toll from a gang war topped 7,000, a non-governmental organization said in a new report.

About 124,000 people, or 53.9 percent of the total, have sought safe haven in El Paso, Texas, which is just across the border, the Ciudad Juarez Citizens Security and Coexistence Observatory said.

The rest have returned to their hometowns, mainly in Durango, Coahuila and Veracruz states, to get away from the drug-related violence.

“Action should be taken immediately” to keep the crime and violence from leading to a “loss of economic dynamism and, in turn, a continuing reproduction of violence and crime as a result of unemployment,” the report’s authors, Ramon Chavira and Wilebaldo Martinez, said.

The two Autonomous University of Ciudad Juarez, or UACJ, professors used National Institute of Statistics, Geography and Informatics, or INEGI, figures, as well as interviews with emigrants’ families, to come up with the population trend figures for the border city.

Ciudad Juarez is the scene of a war for control of smuggling routes between the Juarez and Sinaloa drug cartels.

The border city, where more than 2,000 people have been murdered this year, has been plagued by drug-related violence for years.

More than 20,000 houses have been abandoned in the border city by people who feared they might become murder, extortion or kidnapping victims, Ciudad Juarez Mayor Jose Reyes Ferriz said.

Journalists have also been leaving the border city in recent years due to threats.

Jorge Luis Aguirre, publisher of the online daily La Polaka, was granted political asylum on Monday, U.S. officials said.

Aguirre fled to the United States with his family on Nov. 13, 2008, just hours after El Diario de Juarez reporter Armando Rodriguez was murdered.

Rodriguez was murdered in front of his 9-year-old daughter outside his house.

Luis Carlos Santiago, a 21-year-old El Diario news photographer, was killed last week and his colleague, Carlos Sanchez, was wounded in an attack by suspected cartel hit men.

Paris-based Reporters Without Borders said in a statement Friday that it was “appalled” by the killing, adding that the “level of violence and mayhem is staggering in many parts of Mexico including Cuidad Juarez.”

El Paso’s Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center, meanwhile, warned of a likely new wave of media members seeking asylum in the United States in the wake of the attack on the photographers.

“I think they want to silence the voices of the reporters, who are the ones on the front lines. As an organization, we are going to support these types of situations,” Eduardo Beckett, an immigration attorney at the center, said.

“We are receiving a huge number of calls. We’re really busy, but we are going to do everything possible to help deal with this. It’s an international crisis,” Beckett said.

The flow of people from Juarez to El Paso started in 2007, press reports said.

The death toll from the drug war in Ciudad Juarez reached 8,300 between December 2006 and July 2010. EFE


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
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Article forwarded by one of our former border patrol agents with this note:

According to this article, about 230,000 people have fled the violence in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, and of that number, 124,000 have "sought safe haven" in El Paso, TX. This is just one Mexican city, but the violence is pretty well spread thoughout Mexico. This should raise a number of questions for us and our "leaders".

How did these people enter the U.S.? Did they enter legally or illegally? Will they be required to return to Mexico when conditions improve, if ever?

How much of the violence from the Mexican cartels will follow these people? It's doubtful that the border will discourage the cartels from retaliating against those people who, they believe, have "crossed" them.

And as the article also says, the U.S. has already granted asylum to at least one journalist from Mexico. The question is: will asylum be granted to others from Mexico; and, if so, how many? There are probably thousands and thousands of people in Mexico who have a "well-founded fear" that their lives are in danger in Mexico. Do we take them all in? Where do we draw the line?

1 posted on 09/26/2010 10:15:23 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB

Send them back to their homes in Central Mexico$ they will simply remake their sewer in the USA if they come here.


2 posted on 09/26/2010 10:21:42 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: AuntB

The Mexican authorities are too busy worrying about illegals being mugged in Staten Island, or immigration laws in Arizona, to focus on these slightly LARGER problems back hom.


3 posted on 09/26/2010 10:22:24 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: AuntB

This is the first BIG step towards the commie ‘RATS passing BIG amnesty. The claim that these idiots are “seeking asylum” in the U.S. because THEY are too cowardly to fight for their own country. Bring on the freebies!


4 posted on 09/26/2010 10:22:59 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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To: AuntB

Good. Warn the “Good Citizens” to leave the city then raze and burn the rats nest of Drug Cartels in the city to the ground....If you’re going to fight a “War” don’t do it half way...


5 posted on 09/26/2010 10:23:07 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: AuntB
.... Where do we draw the line?

There is no longer a line AuntB.....it's simply a figment of everyones immagination. It's open borders with invitations from this administration...by not closing our borders Bo leaves them open with welcome signs and invitation for all to come in.

6 posted on 09/26/2010 10:25:38 AM PDT by caww
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To: AuntB

Is Ciudad Juarez going to become like the town in Yojimbo/Fistfull of Dollars? Deserted but for the two gangs fighting for control of it?


7 posted on 09/26/2010 10:28:05 AM PDT by sinanju (kitsune)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Liz; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; PGalt; mkjessup; blackie; SwinneySwitch; HiJinx; ...

This article talks about the Mexican journalists seeking and getting asylum in the US. The journalists opinion of Calderon is interesting.

Mexican journalists asking for political asylum in United States
http://borderzine.com/2010/09/periodistas-mexicanos-piden-asilo-politico-en-estados-unidos/

EL PASO, Texas - Three Mexican journalists, who expect to receive political asylum in the United States, explained the dangers and threats they received during the exercise of the profession in his country in a press conference in this city on Sept. 21.

Similarly condemned the killing of about 68 of his colleagues since 2000 and urged President Felipe Calderon Hinojosa to resign because his government does not guarantee the security of communications specialists, or Mexicans.

During the conference, attended by various international media, expatriates patented confidence that the president, Barack Obama, grant them legal status after this week in Washington the approval of the asylum request made by the reporter Chihuahua, Jorge Luis Aguirre .

“Felipe Calderon is primarily responsible for criminal acts occurring in Mexico is, without doubt, a mass murderer,” said the former reporter forThe Journal of the Northeast, in Ascension, Chihuahua, Emilio Gutierrez Soto.

He added: “It must be brought before international courts to answer for crimes that are given constant daily in my country where there is no single family that has not been touched.”

Gutierrez, who has hidden two years and three months in U.S. territory awaiting political asylum, called his president as “inept and illegitimate.”

And he blamed for “taking the Army into the streets to continue to protect the drug cartels” and that “his friends have further impoverished the nation.” Reasons why said: “I request and demand the immediate resignation Felipe Calderón to be incapable. Could not the package that illegitimately won by a shot, along with his followers, the Congress of the Union in 2006. “

Another Mexican journalists in exile in the United States and present at the press conference held at the premises of Border Network for Human Rights was Aldana Ricardo Chavez, 35. He, his wife and five children, have been about nine months with the fear of being repatriated if they do not achieve political asylum.

Chavez, radio correspondent in Ciudad Juarez, also charged the government of his country by the violence that plagues. He saw his trigger in the Joint Operation Chihuahua, an initiative implemented to combat drug trafficking. “Something that has not done,” and he described not only as “wrong” but also “made to divert the attention of” sensitive issues in high places: “Since the arrival of Calderón to power,” he insisted. And parable said: “It’s like bees and not disturb know they control.”

Chavez Aldana, was spotted shocked when he said “yes, it’s terrible what’s happening there in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico.” He warned: “We do not know who the good and who are the bad guys.” He confessed that it is urgent “request to state and federal government partners to protect the press, there are no guarantees ... are working to homelessness.”

He denounced the lack of protection in enterprises (media) for which “practically give life and not valued.” He warned of the ease with which reporters are discredited and slandered dead. And mostly, in carrying out its work “are attacked by the Federal Police. Frighten us taking us pictures ... and face when they are covered because they bring. “

Mexican reporters thanked the host “temporary” government of the United States to protect their integrity. He also pleaded with President Barack Obama, that under circumstances such as that suffered by them “the opportunity for political asylum process is expedited and above all experience and become an example for future eventualities.

Televisa cameraman, Alejandro Hernández Pacheco, 41, who appeared in the press conference is only a month in exile in the United States. This man was kidnapped on July 26, 2010, for an unidentified band. That day, two Mexican journalists ran the same fate. Still not sure how to save life.

In recalling the events lamented the lack of protection for those who exercise as communicators in their homeland. But what most regretted was the attack received from other “media for telling the truth.” This situation led to the anxiety because it is terrible “being sought by some and by others in the moment.” He insisted that it is very difficult to stop working on what has devoted a lifetime but kept the faith that a solution appears.

Gutiérrez, Hernández Chávez and sympathized with the family of the young reporter from Diario de Juarez, Luis Carlos Santiago Orozco, 21, who recently lost his life in a criminal attack and his partner, recovering from bullet holes, Luis Manuel Sánchez Colunga, 18.

Likewise, the three journalists who are victims of violence in Mexico, sought the solidarity of the international media in the dialogue to bring the world “these messages of pain, frustration.”Gutierrez also said that this was a message of “hope to continue conserving our lives and remain the heads of our families.”

“We fled the country fearing for our lives because the main criminal groups in Mexico did not assume the responsibility to offer the security they deserve, “he said Gutierrez.

In the press conference were also present, supporting the Mexican reporters that the lawyer represents, Carlos Spector and the director of the Border Network for Human Rights, Fernando Garcia.


8 posted on 09/26/2010 10:28:08 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“This is the first BIG step towards the commie ‘RATS passing BIG amnesty. The claim that these idiots are “seeking asylum” in the U.S. because THEY are too cowardly to fight for their own country. Bring on the freebies!”

Bingo!


9 posted on 09/26/2010 10:30:13 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Instead of running to El Paso, they might want to start their own TEA Party and get rid of their antagonists. Cinco de Mayo my ***. They’re a bunch of cowards.


10 posted on 09/26/2010 10:34:41 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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To: AuntB

Sure is a lucky thing that they abandon their third world culture and assimilate while dissolving their loyalties to their homeland.

Otherwise, they’d just bring the pathologies that created that third world hell hole here.


11 posted on 09/26/2010 10:37:59 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: AuntB
About 124,000 people, or 53.9 percent of the total, have sought safe haven in El Paso, Texas, which is just across the border

Bet El Paso Texas is looking sharp....

12 posted on 09/26/2010 10:39:38 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: AuntB

I used to like El Paso when I lived in southern New Mexico (late 70’s).

Don’t think I could be in that town nowadays. Do they still speak english there?


13 posted on 09/26/2010 10:39:47 AM PDT by hattend (Like a termite to wood, Obama only wants to destroy - Mark Levin)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Not to mention smallpox, whooping cough, TB etc.....


14 posted on 09/26/2010 10:41:27 AM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Instead of running to El Paso, they might want to start their own TEA Party and get rid of their antagonists. Cinco de Mayo my ***. They’re a bunch of cowards.”

You won’t get an argument from me on that. But why should they bother when we will give them everything they demand.
STUPID PEOPLE OF AMERICA! Let Mexico find it’s own way, just like WE did!


15 posted on 09/26/2010 10:42:08 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That’s part of the plan. The other part of the plan is to declare Calderone’s drug war a failure and get Chavez-ista Obrador elected in 2012.

The cartels, FARC, Chavez/Morales/Castro and Ahmadinejad (notice the Hizballah style car bombs going off on the border now?) are all working in conert to conquer Mexico. Hard to imagine the higher-ups of the Democrat Crime Family aren’t also involved on some level for their own reasons.


16 posted on 09/26/2010 10:42:54 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: AuntB

If Mexico is so great, why are you maggot 3rd Worlders flocking here?


17 posted on 09/26/2010 10:43:55 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Instead of running to El Paso, they might want to start their own TEA Party and get rid of their antagonists. Cinco de Mayo my ***. They’re a bunch of cowards.

You don't get it....The Mexican have no damn in intention of making their corrupt cesspool of a country right. They could care less as all they they need to do is enter America illegally, and trash our country while making 15 times more money...

He'll, the Mexicans are so damn disrespectful of our laws, rules and sovereignty, they don't even bother to learn the language as our government showers these sons of bitches with our income and tax dollars as they cripple our entire infrastructure, like our hospitals and health care for instance.

18 posted on 09/26/2010 10:45:04 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: rolling_stone
Not to mention smallpox, whooping cough, TB etc.....

At least they've improved the availability of bed bugs.

19 posted on 09/26/2010 10:45:06 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: rolling_stone; All

Latest M3 Foreign news report by way of NAFBPO....more beheadings, same ol’ same ol’ down Mexico way....

Central American gangs: a mafia with a thousand heads
September 24, 2010 by m3report

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Friday, 9/24/10

La Prensa Grafica, San Salvador, El Salvador (9/22/10)

Central American gangs: a mafia with a thousand heads

The mafia-like gangs that lash Central America, known as maras, have various governments in tenterhooks, enacting laws and regulations to combat the thousands of members of these groups which arose a quarter of a century ago from the Hispanic barrios of Los Angeles. The mara phenomenon is concentrated in the so-called North Triangle, composed of Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, countries characterized by poverty and family disintegration due to emigration.

In El Salvador, where this phenomenon is strong, maras are true mafia organizations involved in drug and weapon traffic, extortion and kidnappings. El Salvador’s new law states that ”the so called gangs or maras are illegal and are banned” and sets prison terms of seven to ten years for their leaders and six years for others, just for being a member.

Currently some 7,000 gang members are in prison in El Salvador, but police estimate that there may be 9,000 to 20,000 more out on the streets, because many adolescents are recruited daily. The “maras,” actually an abbreviation of “marabunta,” the devouring ant of the Amazon, have thousands of members in countries like Guatemala and Honduras, where the rate of criminality is also among the highest in Latin America. Salvadoran President Mauricio Funes stated that “It’s necessary for the government to increase control over this type of groups (gangs) to implement actions that may allow combat and prevention of violence.” Some Salvadoran judges have warned that the law “does not solve the problem of lawlessness,” while other Central American countries – Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua – fear that it might cause Salvadoran gangsters to emigrate there.

The gangsters’ activities are added to those of the drug cartels. Mexican and Colombian drug traffickers have had “ties” for years along Central America, a passageway for cocaine that they move from South to North America, which has deteriorated the levels of security.

http://www.laprensagrafica.com/el-salvador/judicial/142765-las-pandillas-centroamericanas-una-mafia-con-mil-cabezas.html

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La Estrella de Panama (Panama City, Panama) 9/22/10

Illegal aliens nabbed in Panama

An official source reported that Panamanian police detained a total of 16 aliens from Africa and Asia who had entered Panama from Colombia illegally. The aliens were traveling together and had reached an area near the capital when they were arrested. They are from Bangladesh (7), Eritrea (6), Somalia (2) and Nigeria (1). Panamanian officials have detected at least two groups of smugglers of aliens from Africa and Asia since 2008; they use Central America as an access route to the United States and Canada, (the stated destination of these 16) and charge around $7,500 dollars to the illegal immigrants who reach the area from Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil and Venezuela.

http://www.laestrella.com.pa/mensual/2010/09/22/contenido/15091986.asp

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Armada Nacional (Bogota, Colombia) 9/22/10

Drug smuggling on the Pacific

The Colombian Navy reported that “more than 700 kilos of cocaine hydrochloride” were seized in international waters aboard a lobster boat that was not flying any country’s flag. Four crewmen were arrested. The report adds that the seizure was within the terms of the maritime interdiction accord subscribed by the U.S. and Colombia.

http://www.armada.mil.co/

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Grisly finds

[Both following articles illustrate all-too common events found in Mexican papers]

Diario 21 (Iguala, Guerrero) 9/23/10

The headless bodies of two men were found this Wednesday at dawn; both were seated in the back of a car. Their severed heads had been placed on top of the car’s roof; both victims had been blindfolded with duct tape. The event took place at the town of El Treinta (just north of Acapulco on the highway to Mexico City.) [Warning: the link to this article also contains graphic photographs of these victims.]

http://www.diario21.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=62295&format=html

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El Debate (State of Sinaloa) 9/23/10

In the town of Sinaloa de Leyva, (in the foothills of the northern part of the state of Sinaloa), two 18 year olds who had been carried off by force were found decapitated and their remains placed in ice chests. The article ends: “These events ad to the ambience of fear being lived in this town. Citizens have confirmed that there is a climate of insecurity and they clamor for the presence of police forces. Unconfirmed by the authorities, violent events have also taken place in the hill country.”

http://www.debate.com.mx/eldebate/Articulos/ArticuloGeneral.asp?IdArt=10227280&IdCat=6112

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El Diario (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 9/23/10

Murders in the back country

Thirteen murder victims have been found within three days in hamlets around Urique, Chihuahua (in the Sierra Madre area of SW Chihuahua.) All are believed to be members of a family.

http://www.diario.com.mx/notas.php?f=2010/09/22&id=4656f8daf227f843f83135a84b5baf47

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And murders in Juarez

[The following was found in the 23rd place of a listing on “More News” in the paper’s “Local” section]: “The murdered here yesterday add up to five” [However, in 14th place, the entry reads]: “They kill another city police,” [and in 4th place, this listing]: “They kill two police last night.” [A review of the articles doesn’t show any correlation between the reports.] But the paper “Excelsior” (Mexico City) today reports that the Juarez Police is on maximum alert because four of its members have been murdered within 24 hours.

http://www.diario.com.mx/secciones/Local.html

http://www.nuevoexcelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&id_nota=664868

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El Mañana (Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas) 9/23/10

Area violence changes the traffic flow of emigrants

The migratory flow through Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, has dropped in less than a month after the finding of the 72 migrants’ bodies in a ranch in the state of Tamaulipas. To the contrary, the area of Nogales, Sonora, reports an increase in the arrival of migrants from southern Mexico and Central America. The information comes from migrants’ shelters run by religious groups.

http://www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp?id=201744

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El Tiempo (Bogota, Colombia) 9/23/10

FARC leaders dead

Colombian press is highlighting the deaths of Jorge Briceno, alias “Mono Jojoy,” chief of military operations of FARC (the armed Colombian insurgents who have been challenging the national government for years) and also of Henry Castellanos, alias “Romaña.” Together, those two were said to be FARC’s most fearsome pair. Their deaths came about as a result of an aerial bombardment by Colombian air force units.

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/justicia/muerte-mono-jojoy/murio-el-mono-jojoy_7960880-1


20 posted on 09/26/2010 10:45:56 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
About 124,000 people, or 53.9 percent of the total, have sought safe haven in El Paso, Texas,...

I guarantee that more than one elitist politician in Washington is seeing this as nothing more than another 124,000 possible votes for their party.

21 posted on 09/26/2010 10:46:08 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: wac3rd
If Mexico is so great, why are you maggot 3rd Worlders flocking here?

See #18 and your federal government for that answer.

Hell, the Communist told us all about this decades ago.

22 posted on 09/26/2010 10:46:37 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: wac3rd
If Mexico is so great, why are you maggot 3rd Worlders flocking here?

They are liberals for the most part thus they are coming here to drag the rest of us down to their level.

23 posted on 09/26/2010 10:48:03 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: AuntB
The situation would be less orderly if the Leftists had won the last national elections, and ALL of these journalists, and their families, would have been murdered in their beds.

Mexico has an armed conflict underway ~ we should organize a Mexican National Army of Liberation along the border out of the young men who've fled and then send them back to do your basic "house to house" extermination of the bad guys.

24 posted on 09/26/2010 10:49:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; dragnet2

I see Mexico becoming the next Pockeystawn. A place of refuge for the invaders to run to once the war starts in the southwestern states of America. The politicians in Congress will pass a resolution that our military will not be allowed to chase them as they retreat back into Mexico to rearm and regroup. The American southwest is about to become “another Vietnam”, Iraq or Afghanistan.


25 posted on 09/26/2010 10:50:06 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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To: AuntB
I got an idea. Instead of trading guns for drugs, why can't the cia and other interested agencies, and Ollie North in particular, start sending guns to the patriot citizens in Mexico who want to clean up their towns? It wouldn't take long to sweep up the garbage if evey man jack and women and child had select fire AK's.

Yeah. A better use of those airplanes and cigarette boats, eh, Ollie?

26 posted on 09/26/2010 10:53:39 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: wac3rd
Can I be honest here?

Ya got probably 100 million people in America today that hate you and this country...

Throw in endless chain immigration, both legal and illegal, and eventually America will be left dead on the floor. The party is getting way too crowded, and only a matter of time till the party is over, and the house is left totally trashed.

Look at your public government school employees and teachers...They hate America and everything it stands for, as they brainwash generation after generation that America bad, white people bad, Communism, Socialism good.

In America, we're surrounded by traitors and your government has been completely infiltrated and is on their side.

27 posted on 09/26/2010 10:56:31 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: AuntB

5000 of them just moved into the apartment next door to me.


28 posted on 09/26/2010 10:57:07 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: muawiyah

“Mexico has an armed conflict underway ~ we should organize a Mexican National Army of Liberation along the border out of the young men who’ve fled and then send them back to do your basic “house to house” extermination of the bad guys. “

Not a bad idea...Mexico needs the second amendment. But I haven’t seen any of them wanting to change the mess down there, instead they march in our streets demanding our laws be ignored.


29 posted on 09/26/2010 10:57:48 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: dragnet2
"Throw in endless chain immigration, both legal and illegal, and eventually America will be left dead on the floor."

Well, that's really the plan, isn't it? Why else would Bush hand over the gummint to a muzzie who wasn't afraid to deliver the coup de gras? Exactly what's happening, non?

There must be some way we can circumvent those plans. It isn't going to be done at the ballot box when you have both parties singing the socialist theme song.

30 posted on 09/26/2010 11:08:51 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: whitedog57

That place was a hell-hole in 1963. Nothing has improved except the number of thugs & guns.


31 posted on 09/26/2010 11:16:15 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: AuntB

Hi AuntB haven’t seen you in a while! Hope things are good with you and yours!

How’s things in Mayberry? Looks like Barney Fife’s clone is near the top, running the DOJ now....


32 posted on 09/26/2010 11:23:43 AM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: AuntB

meanwhile Mexico is building a fence on it’s southern boarder to keep people from leaving their country and migrating to mexico .. they don’t like illegals entering THEIR country


33 posted on 09/26/2010 11:25:20 AM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: AuntB

Dear B: Satan has taken over Mexico, and it has also taken over America. I don’t know if you are a Christian or not, but Christ gave those of us who are the power to cast out evil in His Holy Name. It is time Americans repent and turn from their many sins to turn to our Creator Who gave His only begotten Son to pay the price for your sins and mine. What greater love can there be than that? And when we have done that, we open our hearts to Him who suffered so enormously for us, and live our lives in Him. Then we can defeat Satan at every turn! If one’s prayers have such power, think how unbeatable the prayers of all His children can be!
Have a great week.


34 posted on 09/26/2010 11:30:33 AM PDT by Paperdoll (Socialism is Suicide!)
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To: dragnet2

Please read post 34.


35 posted on 09/26/2010 11:33:21 AM PDT by Paperdoll (Socialism is Suicide!)
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To: Paperdoll

PHONY CHRISTIANS

It’s not just pandering politicians you need to purge, it’s the leaders of your so called ‘Christian’ churches like the Catholics, Mormons and Lutherans who aid and abet the illegality of immigration that you need to deal with!

Illegal alien convicted of raping his foster mom in Virginia

(Understand this....the CHURCH set up foster care for an 18 year old ILLEGAL alien gangbanger! THEY broke the law!)

Arturo Lopez Photo: Henrico County Police Dept.

On Wednesday, Arturo Lopez, 18, was convicted of abducting and raping his foster mother in Henrico County, last April. She testified that she mentioned concerns to church people and Lutheran Family Services, which had placed Lopez with the family.[snips]

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2010/sep/23/illegal-immigrant-convicted-raping-henrico-foster—ar-521671/

Doctrinal divide confronts Mormons on immigration

By Jeremiah Stettler The Salt Lake Tribune

[snips]Here in Utah, the push toward tougher immigration laws has become increasingly tangled in Mormon doctrine as divided Latter-day Saints defend their politics by pointing to conflicting interpretations of what Jesus would do. But other Mormons see it differently and point to doctrine to back it up.

Rep. Chris Herrod, R-Provo, maintains the arguments against tougher immigration laws overlook several key Christian tenets — precepts that came off of Mount Sinai with Moses. Thou shalt not bear false witness (to get a job or government services). Thou shalt not steal (people’s identities). Thou shalt not covet (thy neighbor’s home or job or country).

They touch on holy writ’s repeated call for honesty (“Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just ... think on these things,” Philippians 4:8 teaches), on the importance of justice (“Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap,” Galatians 6:7 admonishes) and on the LDS instruction to abide civil law (“We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them,” Doctrine and Covenants 134:1 states).

Herrod says his position also has been shaped, in part, by a doctrine found in Acts 10 and Romans 2: “God is no respecter of persons.” In other words, God doesn’t pick favorites. Would it really make sense, Herrod asks, for God to “reward those willing to break the law over those who are willing to stand in line and do the right thing?”

“We are actually discriminating against ten of millions of people around the world who are trying to get to the country legally,” he says. “They are following the law.....I can’t, in my wildest dreams, believe that the church would come out and say illegal immigration is OK,” he says. “That would completely violate all the basic doctrines of the church.”


36 posted on 09/26/2010 11:38:09 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: rolling_stone; All

“Hi AuntB haven’t seen you in a while! Hope things are good with you and yours!

How’s things in Mayberry? Looks like Barney Fife’s clone is near the top, running the DOJ now.”

LOL...here’s what’s going on in ‘Mayberry’...800 miles from the border...

http://www.ktvl.com/articles/hunters-1197121-drug-mexican.html
Hunters cautioned about Mexican Drug Cartel

September 25, 2010 7:44 AM
Katie Conner / KTVL.com

Local and Federal law enforcement and Oregon Hunters Association are warning hunters about the marijuana growth sites in the forest operated by Mexican Drug Cartels.

A joint press conference was held Friday with the various agencies, to provide safety tips for the public.

“The cartel is like a drug warehouse and they will anything they can do to make money,” said Sheriff Winters.

Winters says the best way to stay safe is to know your surroundings, noticing if anything seems unusual. For example, trimmed or manicured trees, walls of cut brush, canopies handing in the trees, are all signs. Also, pvc pipes coming out of streams is also an indication you are in a growth site. The growers most likely use the pipes for irrigation for the pot plants. Manually widened game trails, garbage piles are also signs and you should leave the area immediately.

Within the past two weeks, two archer hunters have been confronted by suspected pot growers who were armed. If you are confronted by a suspected grower, just walk away. Winters says they typically do not want to hurt you, instead scare you off.

“We have serious problem out there. You hear people say oh they’re just poor farmers or just marijuana growers,” said Sheriff Winters. “This drug is the number one cartel drug eight million dollars a year to the cartel.”

According to Winters, law enforcement has uprooted 125,000 marijuana plants in 30 different gardens. Each plant is worth $5,000.

“It’s a big business for them down there and they’ll do anything,” said Winters.

People who see anything unusual or suspicious in the forest are being asked to call local police.


37 posted on 09/26/2010 11:41:06 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Oh dear B; These old eyes do not see well anymore. You see, I was not writing about phony Christians, of which there are far, far too many, I agree. I am referring to true Christians. How we break the very heart of God when we do not love and obey Him! However, it is not up to us to minimize the ecumenical importance of churches. We are to be good examples, and allow them to fail by their own hand. IMHO, the day we strayed from the old Fire and Brimstone preaching is the day we began to go wrong. If people would take the time to open their Bible and become engrossed in the Word, their paths would be so illuminated!
In WW II, they said there were no atheists in foxholes. Well, B, we are in a foxhole today!


38 posted on 09/26/2010 12:00:13 PM PDT by Paperdoll (Socialism is Suicide!)
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To: AuntB

I guess we will be like Israel soon as these refugees will be demanding “right of return”. And we will be required to stop building on their land. etc etc. It is launch point also for terror ops in the US...!


39 posted on 09/26/2010 12:13:37 PM PDT by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: AuntB

WOW like cockroaches and bedbugs they are everywhere...I heard one of the big narcos goes by the name Rolando Ocampo de Mota....


40 posted on 09/26/2010 12:29:22 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: AuntB

What a wonderful world it would be if Texas had Switzerland as a neighbor instead of the mess of Mexico!


41 posted on 09/26/2010 12:34:56 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: AuntB
Gutierrez, who has hidden two years and three months in U.S. territory awaiting political asylum, called his president as “inept and illegitimate.”

His old president or his new president?

42 posted on 09/26/2010 12:46:48 PM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: hattend
Yep--but also Spanish. Most places you go, the store clerks speak English as fluently as Spanish, so they are obviously bi-lingual. And if you aren't, good luck getting a job!

But many of the "old Mexican" EP population is NOT happy about illegal immigrants--they had to jump through the hoops to become US citizens, and feel that's the only way citzenship should be obtained. Plus, they don't like having their tax dollars go to supporting these people--who the government of Mexico is happy to see go across the Rio and thus become our problem, not theirs!

43 posted on 09/26/2010 1:13:57 PM PDT by milagro
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To: AuntB

“It’s not just pandering politicians you need to purge, it’s the leaders of your so called ‘Christian’ churches like the Catholics, Mormons and Lutherans who aid and abet the illegality of immigration that you need to deal with!”

This has been planned at the highest levels and they are on board to secure their positions. Religion has nothing to do with it, only money and power. As it always was.


44 posted on 09/26/2010 1:33:16 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: kittymyrib; rolling_stone; Liz; All

FYI

Lugar: Mexican drug lords ‘most immediate’ threat to U.S. security
By Mike Lillis - 09/26/10 02:44 PM ET
The Senate’s top Republican on foreign policy said this weekend that drug traffickers operating on the Mexican border pose a more immediate national security threat than domestic terrorists.

Sen. Richard Lugar (Ind.), senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is calling on the White House to intensify efforts to help Mexico fight drug lords at the border, where escalating violence has killed tens of thousands of people in the past few years.

“Transnational drug trafficking organizations operating from Mexico represent the most immediate national security threat faced by the United States in the Western Hemisphere,” Lugar said in remarks prepared for an Indiana-based training for Mexican prosecutors Sunday, Reuters reports.

“The United States should undertake a broad review of further steps the U.S. military and the intelligence community could take to help combat the Mexican cartels in association with the Mexican government.”

The Indiana Republican is suggesting the U.S. military and intelligence communities provide Mexico with more surveillance help, to combat the flow of drugs, money and weapons across the 1,969 mile border

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/120975-lugar-mexican-drug-lords-most-immediate-threat-to-us-security


45 posted on 09/26/2010 1:39:15 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Instead of running to El Paso, they might want to start their own TEA Party and get rid of their antagonists.

I think they need their own army, not TEA Party. To do that, they need their own guns and paramilitary organizations as the government either can't or won't protect them.

Guns (for honest people) are outlawed in Mehico. Therefore, there is not much other option but to run. Unfortunately, they are running here for "safety". The cartels are following the well worn paths north. The "safety" is not going to last long - either for them or us.

I strongly suspect the cartels will soon start expanding to wholesale kidnapping and ransom of American citizens they take back to Mexico. There are millions of rich Americans (certainly richer than most Mexicans) living close to our border and lots of ways to get them back across the border. Neither our authorities nor law can't chase them back into Mexico and the Mexican government can't do much about it. They can't even protect their own.

This is going to get really ugly, really fast when people start disappearing and then ransom notes and body parts start showing up in this country.

46 posted on 09/26/2010 1:39:58 PM PDT by Gritty (Mexico does not end at its borders. Where there is a Mexican there is Mexico-Pres. Filipe Calderon)
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To: Gritty

It has already worked its way into Arizona. That is what Gov. Brewer has been shouting about but nobody in the District of Corruption wants to listen. Their biggest worry is “racial profiling”. I guess when a war breaks out here, they might send some troops. Political correctness is about to get a whole lot of Americans killed.


47 posted on 09/26/2010 1:44:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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To: AuntB

Interesting article.

Calderon, like all of Mexico’s leaders, is corrupt and on the take of the drug cartels. Ever since the US gave him and Mexico over 1 billion in the Merida Inititiative....the drug cartels have grown

The only way to fix the problem in Mexico is to seal the US border, deport all those illegaliy here, and end NAFTA (trading with drug cartels only empowers and enriches them)


48 posted on 09/26/2010 1:45:18 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (They don't let you build churches in Mecca)
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To: dragnet2

El Paso has always had at least that many Mexicans commuting to work everyday. I guess most of them are sleeping in El Paso now as well as working there.


49 posted on 09/26/2010 1:47:16 PM PDT by csmusaret (If the Bush recession ended in June 2009, did the Obama economy begin in July 2009?)
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To: AuntB

Passing NAFTA was a huge mistake.


50 posted on 09/26/2010 2:22:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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