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$9 Billion Subway-to-Sea Rip-off.( Choo-choo alert! )
L.A. Weekly ^ | Sep 23 2010 | Patrick Range McDonald

Posted on 09/27/2010 3:57:57 AM PDT by Leisler

When USC professor and transportation expert James Moore heard the findings several days ago that the $9 billion Subway to the Sea won't relieve congestion on the Westside, as vowed by Antonio Villaraigosa, Moore was among a number of transportation insiders who wasn't stunned.

"I didn't need an Environmental Impact Report to know that," says Moore, iconoclastic director of transportation engineering at USC, referring to an environmental study by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

Moore says the truth about how Metro plans to use up to $9 billion in sales taxes being paid by 8 million consumers in Los Angeles County is: "We're not building [a subway] to ease congestion. We're doing it for political reasons."...........

(Excerpt) Read more at laweekly.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: losangeles; mta; subway
Politicians, unions, hooked up contractors, finance guys.

9 billion buys a lot of politics.

1 posted on 09/27/2010 3:57:59 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler

To all that read this article, you should have seen the runup to, the combination of dances for the money, dances for the power that was the Alameda Street Corridor project in Los Angeles back in the ‘90’s.

It’s stated public purpose of getting the truck traffic off of the Freeway has yet to be achieved. Lots of money, lots of graft, lots of disappointment.

No rail project will I ever look upon with a positive eye after that experience.


2 posted on 09/27/2010 4:07:10 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Leisler; Willie Green
where's Waldo Willie
3 posted on 09/27/2010 4:10:15 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: rockinqsranch
Lots of money, lots of graft, lots of disappointment.

In other words, it worked like a charm.

4 posted on 09/27/2010 4:12:06 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Leisler

Wonder what percentage 9 billion is toward balancing the out of balance state budget. Not that anyone living in CA cares, other than a few freepers and some other conservatives.


5 posted on 09/27/2010 4:12:48 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Maybe the “subway to the sea” is appropriate given all the DIM/LIB lemmings in America.


6 posted on 09/27/2010 4:18:29 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: wita

Balanced budgets are just rest stops on the way to bigger budgets.


7 posted on 09/27/2010 4:20:59 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Leisler

Is it the crook mentality, liberalism, communism, leftism, or just bad parenting that got us to this point?


8 posted on 09/27/2010 4:34:26 AM PDT by wita
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To: Leisler

be grateful it’s not $18 billion

oh wait a bit and it will be!


9 posted on 09/27/2010 4:35:44 AM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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To: Leisler

“9 billion buys a lot of politics.”

Imagine what 8 times that amount would buy. Boston’s Big Dig was supposed to cost $2.6B, but ended up costing $22B. I see no reason LA would be exempt from this sort of big project price creep.


10 posted on 09/27/2010 4:36:33 AM PDT by DrC
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To: wita
Is it the crook mentality, liberalism, communism, leftism, or just bad parenting that got us to this point?

YES!

11 posted on 09/27/2010 4:40:20 AM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: from occupied ga

Free Willie!


12 posted on 09/27/2010 4:44:51 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Tell us more than


13 posted on 09/27/2010 4:58:06 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Leisler

“Study Area vehicle miles traveled would be reduced by 0.57% compared to No Build,” the EIR tersely states.


14 posted on 09/27/2010 5:02:25 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Leisler
9 billion buys a lot of politics.

It also buys more miles of monorail than subway tunnels or freeway lanes.

15 posted on 09/27/2010 5:15:13 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer ~ and some people polka.)
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To: Willie Green

Monorail? Monorail!


16 posted on 09/27/2010 5:17:26 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Wolfie

“In other words, it worked like a charm.”

Hardly could one say ...”it worked like a charm” for those that expected the results of the expense, the inconvenience of their streets, and communities along the way torn up for a number of years to make their lives safer, and so less polluted, etc. as was sold them.

But then too all too many don’t realize that liars lie. Government is so full of liars it’s a miracle anything of benefit to the public whom pay for it all exists.


17 posted on 09/27/2010 5:30:49 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: T. P. Pole
Monorail? Monorail!

Yes, tunneling for subways is very expensive.
You really don't want to tunnel unless you absolutely have to, (Like NYC or in the Mountains.)
Overhead Monorail is less expensive than subway tunnels.
Overhead Maglev would be even better!

18 posted on 09/27/2010 5:32:06 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer ~ and some people polka.)
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To: Willie Green
I lived there during the Northridge earthquake. Overhead rail would be a hard sell for most folks there.

But that wasn't the point of my post.

19 posted on 09/27/2010 5:44:15 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: wita

Balanced budgets are just rest stops on the way to bigger budgets.


20 posted on 09/27/2010 6:52:10 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Willie Green

The idea is to move people, not have a monument. Light rail is hundreds of time more expensive per passenger per mile than alternatives, which already exist, which would mean no union skim, hack contractors, welfare for the finance class.


21 posted on 09/27/2010 6:54:51 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: DrC
I know union steelworkers from that project. They say it was so poorly done, that it will be big repair maintenance bills forever.
22 posted on 09/27/2010 6:56:40 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Leisler
The idea is to move people, not have a monument.

Monorails don't get stuck in gridlock like cars and buses do.

23 posted on 09/27/2010 7:11:03 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer ~ and some people polka.)
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To: Leisler

But, but won’t the subway be the first to flood when the seas rise due to glo-bull warming?


24 posted on 09/27/2010 7:17:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: Willie Green
Head Up Posterior Some things do get stuck, Willie. Looks like a liplock to me, like your love of statist boondoggles.
25 posted on 09/27/2010 7:43:38 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Leisler

James Moore is a hardcore supporter of Sustainable Development. Antonio Villaraigosa has been working with ICLEI for years to promote Agenda 21. It never fails; every time you see anything dealing with passenger rail, the people behind it support this globalist agenda.


26 posted on 09/27/2010 7:57:16 AM PDT by wheresmyusa
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To: jimt

Thanks jim... conservatives know that we can always rely on you libertarians for your dumbed-down lack of class.


27 posted on 09/27/2010 8:02:39 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer ~ and some people polka.)
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To: Leisler
I like Neal Boortz idea of making all Government workers work from home and incentivize a way for business to all their workers to do the same. This would save the government a ton of money on infrastructure maintenance.
28 posted on 09/27/2010 8:13:05 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: Leisler

“big repair maintenance bills forever.”

Well that’s one way to maintain demand for your skills: do a lousy job and then the state will keep hiring you to fix what should have been done right in the first place.


29 posted on 09/27/2010 8:41:53 AM PDT by DrC
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To: All
They should call it “The Robbers Express”.

The Third world Gang Bangers will hop on and ride down to Santa Monica and rob, rape and murder the rich elites in Santa Monica.

30 posted on 09/27/2010 9:11:38 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Willie Green

If they were popular, they would at the station have gridlock, but they are not popular, so they never suffer from over use, like the immensely popular roads do.


31 posted on 09/27/2010 8:29:14 PM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: DrC

He said they were ordered to do it according to plans and specs.


32 posted on 09/27/2010 8:31:06 PM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: T. P. Pole
Google Invests In Human-Powered Monorail System


33 posted on 09/28/2010 12:03:23 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: Willie Green
Monorails don't get stuck in gridlock like cars and buses do.

Private buses leasing private ROW eliminate connections, and are not as subject to the inevitable breakdown, strike, or act of tyranny.

But then, you know all about tyranny, don't you Wille? There isn't a single big-budget proposal you have ever made here that isn't subject to centralized command and control.

Cars equipped with collision avoidance on intelligent freeways will soon carry far more passengers per hour than any rail system you can conjure, even beyond your usual pack of lies.

34 posted on 09/28/2010 1:00:11 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Managing "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: calcowgirl

LOL. I think I would want rubber bumpers on those. Might even make them more fun.


35 posted on 09/28/2010 5:21:01 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole

WooHoo!

Aerial bumper cars!

:-)


36 posted on 09/28/2010 12:51:47 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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