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US ready to bomb 150 Pakistani terror camps?
The Times of India ^ | 28 September, 2010 | The Times of India

Posted on 09/28/2010 8:11:06 AM PDT by James C. Bennett

WASHINGTON: The United States has a secret "retribution" plan to bomb more than 150 terror camps in Pakistan in the event of another major terrorist attack originating from that country.

This startling disclosure about Washington's "all bets off" policy towards an ostensibly dubious ally in the war on terror is contained in Bob Woodward's opus " Obama's War," which details an evolving US approach in the region.

The plan pre-dates the Obama presidency, going back to the Bush White House, but elements of policy, aimed at wiping out terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan, is evident in the current administration's ruthless bombing by unmanned drones of terrorist targets inside Pakistan, which far surpasses the Bush approach in terms of frequency and intensity.

The US threat also places in context secretary of state Hillary Clinton's dire warning to Islamabad earlier this year that there would be severe consequences for Pakistan if another 9/11-type attack were traced back to that country.

According to Woodward, then President Bush did not see much difference between 9/11 and 26/11; a foundation of his presidency was zero tolerance for terrorists and their enablers and he was extremely proud of the hard-line doctrine.

Although plans for punitive strikes against Pakistan was initially linked to another 9/11 type attack on US, it evidently evolved after the 26/11 Mumbai carnage, when Bush asked his aides for contingency plans for dealing with Pakistan.

He called his national security team into the Oval Office and told his advisers, "You guys get planning and do what you have to do to prevent a war between Pakistan and India." The order suggests that the US would undertake the bombing to prevent India from retaliating against Pakistan leading possibly to an all-out war.

"This is like 9/11, he (Bush) said," Woodward writes. "The United States military did not have "war" plans for an invasion of Pakistan. Instead, it had and continues to have one of the most sensitive and secret of all military contingencies, what military officials call a "retribution" plan in the event of another 9/11-like attack."

In fact, such is the anger within the US administration about Pakistan's double-faced approach that the plan calls for a no-holds-barred approach. "Some locations might be outdated, but there would be no concern, under the plan, for who might be living there now. The retribution plan called for a brutal punishing attack on at least 150 or more associated camps," Woodward writes.

So how did Pakistan escape the wrath of US' "zero tolerance" policy? According to Woodward, CIA intelligence with 48 hours of the attack showed no direct ISI link. Bush himself called Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to tell him that the new Pakistani government was not involved in the attack.

But the CIA later received reliable intelligence that the ISI was directly involved in the training for Mumbai, Woodward writes in a footnote. ISI chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha flew to Washington later to admit that at least two retired Pakistani army officers who planned the Mumbai attack had ISI links "but this had not been an authorized ISI operation. It was rogue."

"There may have been people associated with my organization who were associated with this," Pasha argued. "That's different from authority, direction and control." This argument, long attributed to Islamabad's practice of "plausible deniability" which practicing a policy of state terrorism, saved Pakistan's bacon.

Woodward's 417-page book provides a fly-on-the-wall view of the Obama Presidency's evolving AfPak policy that is more Pak than Af. In an ABC interview, Woodward described how Obama was told of deep problems in the US relationship with Pakistan at his very first intelligence briefing, likening it to a "cold shower" for the President coming just two days after his 2008 presidential victory.

"Imagine the high of being elected on that Tuesday and they come in two days later and say, by the way, here are the secrets, and one of the secrets is Pakistan," Woodward writes. "We're attacking with a top-secret, covert operation, the safe havens in Pakistan, but Pakistan is living a lie. And this is a theme throughout the whole Obama presidency: 'How do you get control of Pakistan?' "

Soon after, in an Oval Office meeting with Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari, Obama bluntly tells him his country has to get over its obsession with India. "We do not begrudge you being concerned about India," Obama tells Zardari, but "we do not want to be part of arming you (Pakistan) against India, so let me be very clear about that."

Zardari's response: "We are trying to change our world view but it's not going to happen overnight."

From all accounts, Zardari's attempt to change Pakistan's chronic pathology towards India has been thwarted by the country's military, described as a rapacious, over-fed force which fattens itself on an anti-India posture at the expense of the people who pay for it. From exchanges detailed in Woodward's book, Washington is all too aware of it, but has failed to effect a change in Pakistan's behaviour despite billions of dollars in aid and a vague threat of retribution.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bobwoodward; india; islam; muslim; obamaswars; pakistan

1 posted on 09/28/2010 8:11:08 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Where is Code Pink? I thought Obama was going to end these wars?


2 posted on 09/28/2010 8:12:20 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: James C. Bennett

“The United States has a secret “retribution” plan”

Not anymore!

Mel


3 posted on 09/28/2010 8:13:29 AM PDT by melsec
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To: James C. Bennett

So maybe this is going to be the October Surprise?

Is Barry cracked enough to believe this would help him in the eyes of any political persuasion?


4 posted on 09/28/2010 8:14:06 AM PDT by MNlurker
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To: James C. Bennett

The United States has a secret “retribution” plan to bomb more than 150 terror camps in Pakistan in the event of another major terrorist attack originating from that country.

Why not BOMB THEM NOW?!?


5 posted on 09/28/2010 8:15:01 AM PDT by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Well, it is the Times of India.


6 posted on 09/28/2010 8:18:17 AM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: MNlurker

“So maybe this is going to be the October Surprise?”


That was my first reaction, too.


7 posted on 09/28/2010 8:18:17 AM PDT by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: James C. Bennett
I'm sure Hillary will go over there and reiterate our policy:

The US threatened to bomb Pakistan “back to the stone age” unless it joined the fight against al-Qaeda, President Pervez Musharraf has said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5369198.stm

8 posted on 09/28/2010 8:18:20 AM PDT by McGruff (I Love the Smell of Desperation in the Morning. Smells like Victory!)
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To: James C. Bennett

Why wait?


9 posted on 09/28/2010 8:18:36 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Exactly what I was thinking...


10 posted on 09/28/2010 8:23:33 AM PDT by TSgt (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho - 44th and current President of the United States)
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To: James C. Bennett

Why wait?


11 posted on 09/28/2010 8:24:56 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Why wait?

Gives the Muslim sleeper agents here time to set up a multi-city surprise in response, just after the elections.

Barry strikes Pawkiston on Oct. 28, we win the elections on Nov. 3, Muslim sleepers hit on Nov 6, martial law is declared on Nov. 8.

The American Caliphate assumes his throne, and doesn't even care about 2012. Elections aren't for infidels.

Just a guess.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

12 posted on 09/28/2010 8:25:11 AM PDT by The Comedian
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Exactly. Bombs away boys...we’re not holding you back.


13 posted on 09/28/2010 8:25:46 AM PDT by max americana (Hoax and Chains, Dopeychangey)
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To: BradtotheBone

I have the image of that guy saddling one on the way down, waving a hat and yelling Yahooooooooo.

It’s like Vietnam all over again! We send a few troops and a few more and a few more, but... Oooops! Don’t go over there! Don’t cross this line! Let them alone there and there!

Why can’t we have a Patton who will go through them “like cr*p through a goose” wherever they are? And love it while doing it! That’s what REAL GENERALS do.


14 posted on 09/28/2010 8:31:40 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: James C. Bennett

Contingency planning, I would imagine. Of course they have a plan to bomb the terrorists, just in case the C-I-C gives the order. They’d be remiss if they didn’t.

But there’s no reason to think that order is coming any time soon.


15 posted on 09/28/2010 8:35:53 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Diane Sawyer interviewed Woodward last night.
It was jaw dropping to hear the tapes of Barry saying the US could absorb another attack.
But, if a US city is nuked-well then that’s a “ game changer.”
Ya think ?
Fighting terror is a game to Barry, like an NBA basketball game.
Afghanistan is in the fourth quarter-time for it to end.
And macho man said if he can trace the nuke or the next terror attack back to Pakistan, then we bomb them.
It was unbelievable.


16 posted on 09/28/2010 8:43:59 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Frantzie

wow.. really ? “loose lips sink ships” comes to mind.


17 posted on 09/28/2010 8:51:08 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: James C. Bennett
There is no logic is this.

We are waiting to get attacked before we defend ourselves?

Obviously we learned nothing from 9/11

18 posted on 09/28/2010 8:55:16 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: James C. Bennett
It would be even better to use 10kt to 150kt nuclear weapons on each of the 150 sites.
19 posted on 09/28/2010 8:58:42 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Repeal ObamaCare")
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To: The Comedian

Man - o - Man,

I think you are bang on the money.


20 posted on 09/28/2010 9:02:15 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: James C. Bennett

Want it to be effective and a long lasting and positive memory to the Pakistanis?

Don’t Wait
Do it Immediately
Do it with such force that NOBODY will ever forget
Do it so that NOBODY will ever want it to happen again


21 posted on 09/28/2010 9:04:43 AM PDT by jongaltsr (It)
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To: James C. Bennett
So, 0bama knows he will have to do something in the event of a major attack on the US, even though he really doesn't want to bomb his muslim buddies.

So he's giving them a good long “heads up” warning, so they can evacuate their camps in time.

Makes me wonder if 0bama doesn't already know that an attack is coming.

Remember, he just said “we can absorb another attack”.

22 posted on 09/28/2010 9:07:01 AM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: James C. Bennett

and here I thought Barry was blowing smoke when he campaigned on war with Pakistan


23 posted on 09/28/2010 9:22:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: James C. Bennett

Dumb.

1. If we have a list of 150 terrorist training camps, we should have hit them already, all at once, and with no survivors.

2. If our plan was to only hit the terrorists after they did another bad thing, the plan should have been kept secret.


24 posted on 09/28/2010 10:18:40 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: All

I didn’t know that Afghanistan had 150 aspirin factories.


25 posted on 09/28/2010 10:20:40 AM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: newnhdad

doh— meant to write Pakistan instead of Afghanistan..


26 posted on 09/28/2010 10:21:34 AM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: BradtotheBone


psy-ops ...

deliberate "false" leak ... simply the NSA publicly telegraphing a message to Pakistan ...

this time, Bob Woodward is OUR "useful idiot" ...


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27 posted on 09/28/2010 10:44:31 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Another point ...

I'm sure that we have that entire Pakistan NW frontier area "satellite mapped" and GPS-bore-sighted for ANYTHING that we'd want to initiate ...

Certainly, G2 Soviet and ChiCom guys (in Pakistan) already know this ... and have aptly warned the Taliban ...

Of course, with modern technology (intell, etc) ... the trick is to use this situation against the Bad Guys ... and just laugh our butts off ...

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28 posted on 09/28/2010 10:49:50 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: James C. Bennett

>Ahmed Shuja Pasha flew to Washington later to admit that at least two retired Pakistani army officers who planned the Mumbai attack had ISI links “but this had not been an authorized ISI operation. It was rogue.”

LOLOL! Then again, Bush bought it.


29 posted on 09/28/2010 11:39:49 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: rdl6989

LOL! Consider the source, eh?


30 posted on 09/28/2010 11:40:55 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: James C. Bennett

>an authorized ISI operation.

Like the bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul.


31 posted on 09/28/2010 12:33:41 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Thanks James C. Bennett.


32 posted on 10/04/2010 7:58:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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