Skip to comments.The GOP's dilemma: Winning over gay rights advocates could mean losing part of its base (RINO ALERT)
Posted on 09/28/2010 7:47:12 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
When Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) agreed to attend a fundraising dinner in Washington for the Log Cabin Republicans, many social conservatives were outraged. The group has long urged the GOP to be more accepting of gay rights, and some Republicans worried that the appearance by Cornyn, a party leader in Congress, would further legitimize its views.
The senator not only attended the Log Cabin event at the Capitol Hill Club last Wednesday, he also accepted an award from the group, becoming the highest-ranking Republican to do so. After his speech, though, the group's president, R. Clarke Cooper, privately told Cornyn he still wanted him to back a repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," the policy that bans openly gay people from serving in the military. A day earlier, Cornyn, joined by 40 other Senate Republicans, had blocked a Democratic-pushed bill that would have changed the policy.
The strong views from both sides that Cornyn faced illustrated the complicated politics of gay rights for the GOP. As polls show that growing numbers of Americans back greater rights for gay men and lesbians, some well-known Republican figures, such as former party chairman Ken Mehlman,who recently came out, are calling for the party to shift its stances on such issues. But Christian conservatives warn that the GOP could lose its base if it endorses same-sex marriage or takes other pro-gay-rights stands.
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Do the Log Cabin Republicans reall stan for Conservative Values.
It doesn’t appear that they do.
Like all Hmosexuals they are only interested in advocating their perversions.
The last thing this country needs is flaming homos in the military.
Conservatives don’t care if they’re gay, we just don’t have any desire to hear about it and want no special treatment for anyone.
Gays = 1%, cannot reproduce, and tend to die young (i.e. participation in fewer voting cycles).
Conservatives = 40-42%, tend to have more kids than average (passing on the ideology), and live a lot longer on average.
Cornyn needs to figure it out realy quick - which group has your long-term growth potential?
2% of the population who wouldn’t vote GOP no matter what? or 70% of the party base?
What a quandry. Must keep them up nights.
Damn the torpedo's .. full speed ahead ... no queers, no abortion, no NEA, no ACLU, no UN .. let's just let it all hang out.
Let's rumble and get it over with.
THAT is exactly what I was thinking, and what I believe most conservatives believe. I could give a hoot in hell whether a person is a homo or not.
What I can’t stand is the “in your face”, “look at me, I’m a loud, obnoxious queer” stuff. That’s just poor behavior, regardless of sexual persuasion.
Why don’t we all just keep private matters, private?
“Like all Hmosexuals they are only interested in advocating their perversions.”
So if I am to understand this correctly, The Log Cabin Republicans can believe in a strong military, a secure border, less government spending. less government period, be pro life, go to the religious institution they want, and are even pro civil union and not pro gay marriage, and this still isn’t good enough for you?
Sorry, that isn't true. We want them to turn to Christ.
The GOP should run, not walk, away from the gay issue. In doing so, it should point out that the Democrats are also against most gay rights’ issues, i.e., gay marriage and whatnot.
Sorry, but we believe in Christian values on this board and we don't support the homo agenda. We DO care that they are homo. We want them to turn to Christ.
Being tolerant of gay rights isn’t a play against the gay 2% of the vote.
It’s a play for the libertarians in the 36% MODERATE chunk of the vote. Those same moderates who may be leary of voting alongside social conservatives.
You don’t have to like the gays. In fact, you don’t even have to deal with them.
But we need the moderates.
Cornyn really sucks. Hee hee hee.
To what end? [npi]
I assure you that those same moderates won’t give a hoot about the gays if they are worried they won’t have a job and their children’s children’s children will be saddled with trillions of dollars in debt. They will support conservatives if conservatives stick by their beliefs — lower taxes, smaller government, as well as no special rights for any group. The trouble comes when the “moderates,” aka elites, want to reach across the aisle to please their friends the democrats and don’t care one bit about “we the people.” If the moderates don’t see any difference between republicans and the democrats, they have no reason to vote for them.
A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE BIG LIE!!
“The Log Cabin Republicans can believe in a strong military, a secure border, less government spending. less government period, be pro life, go to the religious institution they want, and are even pro civil union and not pro gay marriage,”
This is a false assertion.
They don’t believe any of the above, not very passionately anyway. They are all about their sexual habits. That’s what they organize around. That’s their reason for living. It consumes them.
All they are doing is advocating for the acceptance of perversion.
Otherwise they’d just join the Central Committee and work like the rest of us.
There is far too much discussion for such infinitesimally small consequences.
So few can sway so much airtime.
I am more worried about the 8 million “Kulaks” which will be sacrificed in America, rather than the chandelier looking dazzling.
There is an off-shoot of the LCR called GOProud. They're trying to hijack the Tea Party movement and say they believe in limited government too. It's all a ruse though.
Don't believe me, check their history: once, all that they wanted (demanded) was not to be physically abused; when the straight community accepted that; next, it was to be able to find housing without being "discriminated against" (which became, a single woman had to open up her home to two homosexual men, living openly or face a criminal charge: after that, it was "we only want to be able to visit one another in a hospital and/or achieve inheritance "rights (which they already had under civil law, one may pass along our wealth to anyone we desire - what they wanted was to allow one another to be "surviving spouse" under Social Security rules.
I remember someone in the straight community claiming that homosexuals really wanted to achieve legal status to marriage laws. The homosexual community were "outraged" claiming that there were people willing to make up lies to inflame everyone; that the furthest any homosexual was after was "just not being discriminated against in the community."
Look how far they have come by merely claiming small acceptances at a time, knowing full well that in the beginning, no one would ever be ready to acknowledge their serving openly in the military or being granted marriage rights in a number of states.
I don’t care if all homosexuals vote dem until they die. They bring no benefit to the conservative movement.
We need to replace Cornyn. This is just one of several reasons.
Why dont we all just keep private matters, private?”
You don’t understand sodomites. They are spiritually and morally disordered personalities. Asking why they are sexual exhibitionists who render public restrooms, rest stops, and public parks dangerous and disgusting, among many other things, is like asking why fish swim - it’s in their nature.
Cornyn really sucks. Hee hee hee
Not so funny to some of us who have to put up with him as our Senator and he’s not up until 2014.
The thing about conservatives is that we are not for any single group, but for all as a collective American whole. Democrats thrive on the single group mentality, we as conservatives want equality for all.
It is not right to single out homosexuals, if they are for a collective American whole, they should be welcomed. Just as in any singled out group. That is what we stand for.
Do not lump all as one, it is not a sin to be a homosexual, just to act upon their preference. That is what my church teaches and that is what I believe.
They can bring something to the conservative movement, just look at HillBuzz. They are out there fighting for our cause. These gay men are seeing the light and are trying to make a difference. I don’t know what they do in the bedroom, but that is not my concern, love the sinner but hate the sin.
Quit all the gay bashing, it does nothing more then bring us down to the level of the liberals. We are an accepting group, if you believe in our principles. No one is better then anyone else, we are all Americans trying to do what is best for America!
Not interested in people who view every single thing through the prism of their inability to figure out the purpose of their reproductive organs.
If they cannot deduce this simple function, then I do not want to hear their reasoning on things as complex as the politics America faces now...not even a little bit.
"Moderate" doesn't mean what it used to mean. Something like 37 percent of Americans say if DADT is overturned, there should be career penalties and attempts to change values targeting those who disapprove of homosexuality.
In the long run, it's more important to get moderates to agree to think with you than to vote with you. The GOP is not doing that first job, and in doing the second it only disillusions its base.
Young people tend to be corrupted by both cultural and economic leftism. How often do you see pieces saying the GOP should abandon tax cuts in order to appeal to young moderates?
The real reason these stories keep happening is because the GOP leadership and mid-level activists is more friendly to homosexuality than to traditionalists. The local Metro Young Republicans even meets in a gay-themed hamburger diner. If the GOP's that compromised, I might as well join the Democrats. The GOP will just follow their lead anyway.
>>> They can bring something to the conservative movement, just look at HillBuzz. They are out there fighting for our cause.
You’re talking into the wind. Just a few months ago the Hillbuzz guys signed up and posted here directly. The response they received was mostly vile and mindless insults. Then instead of the mob, it was they who were banned.
They had a lot to offer toward a common objective. That was a shame and a waste.
Blacks, Latinos, Asians etc., etc.. too.
What conservatives HATE is groups who want exclusive "rights" which apply only to them.
Gays have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like me.
I don't have the right to marry someone of the same sex; neither should they.
See how nice and fair that is?
“I dont care if all homosexuals vote dem until they die. They bring no benefit to the conservative movement.”
Fair enough. What about “heterosexuals” who do not care one bit if homosexuals marry or have civilian unions. Do you want them to vote Dem also?
Just trying to see at what point all those “independent voters who ran away from Obama” no longer matter to putting Conservatives back in the WH.
The homos took over the Democrap party back in the 70’s and 80’s and look where it got the Dem party today. So why should the GOP do the same thing and shoot itself in both feet?! The gay agenda will give the GOP political AIDS.
Obviously I would like everyone to vote for conservative candidates. However, any candidate who pushes for homosexual marriage or acceptance of homosexuality as normal will never, ever get my vote.
Same here. Thanks.
“So if I am to understand this correctly, The Log Cabin Republicans can believe in a strong military, a secure border, less government spending. less government period, be pro life, go to the religious institution they want, and are even pro civil union and not pro gay marriage, and this still isnt good enough for you?”
Correct. Homosexuals should NEVER be recognized as a “legitimate” minority. To do so will be to alienate a significant part of the GOP conservative base, of which I am part. I won’t vote for any candidate that in any way supports “homosexual” rights. I won’t be associated with a political party that recognizes homosexuals as a legitimate minority...no matter where they stand on any issue.
If you want to be “progressive” towards homosexuals, then become a Democrat or Libertarian. Such thinking has NO place in the GOP and those in the party that proclaim it should be voted out in primaries.
***DING DING DING*** No more calls; we have a winner!
...but enough about Senator Craig....
I’m taking my ball and going home! So There!
The problem isn’t the >2% percent of perverts in the population. The problem is the 10-20% of the population who pride themselves on being “open-minded” (so much so that their brains seem to have leaked out...) and think that any one whole fails to endorse homosexuals’ self-destructive lifestyles is a “bigot.” Unfortunately, we need at least some of their votes.
Maybe Craig and Barney Frank were an “item” ;-)