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The GOP's dilemma: Winning over gay rights advocates could mean losing part of its base (RINO ALERT)
The Washington Post ^ | 2010-09-28 | Perry Bacon Jr.

Posted on 09/28/2010 7:47:12 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

When Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) agreed to attend a fundraising dinner in Washington for the Log Cabin Republicans, many social conservatives were outraged. The group has long urged the GOP to be more accepting of gay rights, and some Republicans worried that the appearance by Cornyn, a party leader in Congress, would further legitimize its views.

The senator not only attended the Log Cabin event at the Capitol Hill Club last Wednesday, he also accepted an award from the group, becoming the highest-ranking Republican to do so. After his speech, though, the group's president, R. Clarke Cooper, privately told Cornyn he still wanted him to back a repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," the policy that bans openly gay people from serving in the military. A day earlier, Cornyn, joined by 40 other Senate Republicans, had blocked a Democratic-pushed bill that would have changed the policy.

The strong views from both sides that Cornyn faced illustrated the complicated politics of gay rights for the GOP. As polls show that growing numbers of Americans back greater rights for gay men and lesbians, some well-known Republican figures, such as former party chairman Ken Mehlman,who recently came out, are calling for the party to shift its stances on such issues. But Christian conservatives warn that the GOP could lose its base if it endorses same-sex marriage or takes other pro-gay-rights stands.

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1 posted on 09/28/2010 7:47:20 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Do the Log Cabin Republicans reall stan for Conservative Values.

It doesn’t appear that they do.

Like all Hmosexuals they are only interested in advocating their perversions.


2 posted on 09/28/2010 7:49:59 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rabscuttle385

The last thing this country needs is flaming homos in the military.


3 posted on 09/28/2010 7:51:32 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Venturer

Conservatives don’t care if they’re gay, we just don’t have any desire to hear about it and want no special treatment for anyone.


4 posted on 09/28/2010 7:51:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: rabscuttle385

Gays = 1%, cannot reproduce, and tend to die young (i.e. participation in fewer voting cycles).

Conservatives = 40-42%, tend to have more kids than average (passing on the ideology), and live a lot longer on average.

Cornyn needs to figure it out realy quick - which group has your long-term growth potential?


5 posted on 09/28/2010 7:52:39 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (is a Jim DeMint Republican. You might say he's a funDeMintalist conservative.)
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To: rabscuttle385

2% of the population who wouldn’t vote GOP no matter what? or 70% of the party base?

What a quandry. Must keep them up nights.


6 posted on 09/28/2010 7:53:58 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: GeronL
My thought exactly.

Damn the torpedo's .. full speed ahead ... no queers, no abortion, no NEA, no ACLU, no UN .. let's just let it all hang out.

Let's rumble and get it over with.

7 posted on 09/28/2010 7:58:18 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: cripplecreek

THAT is exactly what I was thinking, and what I believe most conservatives believe. I could give a hoot in hell whether a person is a homo or not.

What I can’t stand is the “in your face”, “look at me, I’m a loud, obnoxious queer” stuff. That’s just poor behavior, regardless of sexual persuasion.

Why don’t we all just keep private matters, private?


8 posted on 09/28/2010 7:59:14 PM PDT by PhiloBedo
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To: Venturer

“Like all Hmosexuals they are only interested in advocating their perversions.”

So if I am to understand this correctly, The Log Cabin Republicans can believe in a strong military, a secure border, less government spending. less government period, be pro life, go to the religious institution they want, and are even pro civil union and not pro gay marriage, and this still isn’t good enough for you?


9 posted on 09/28/2010 7:59:43 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: cripplecreek
Conservatives don’t care if they’re gay

Sorry, that isn't true. We want them to turn to Christ.

10 posted on 09/28/2010 8:00:50 PM PDT by TNLawyer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,")
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To: knarf

bump


11 posted on 09/28/2010 8:02:36 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: rabscuttle385

The GOP should run, not walk, away from the gay issue. In doing so, it should point out that the Democrats are also against most gay rights’ issues, i.e., gay marriage and whatnot.


12 posted on 09/28/2010 8:02:58 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: PhiloBedo
"I could give a hoot in hell whether a person is a homo or not."

Sorry, but we believe in Christian values on this board and we don't support the homo agenda. We DO care that they are homo. We want them to turn to Christ.

13 posted on 09/28/2010 8:03:41 PM PDT by TNLawyer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,")
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To: rabscuttle385

Being tolerant of gay rights isn’t a play against the gay 2% of the vote.

It’s a play for the libertarians in the 36% MODERATE chunk of the vote. Those same moderates who may be leary of voting alongside social conservatives.

You don’t have to like the gays. In fact, you don’t even have to deal with them.

But we need the moderates.


14 posted on 09/28/2010 8:05:10 PM PDT by Khorum08
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To: EQAndyBuzz
So if I am to understand this correctly, The Log Cabin Republicans can believe in a strong military, a secure border, less government spending. less government period, be pro life, go to the religious institution they want, and are even pro civil union and not pro gay marriage, and this still isn’t good enough for you?

I think he means if a citizen believes in all that you describe...why does he have to tell the world, and join a group advertising his preference for anal sex?

These "Log Cabin Republicans" could just remain regular voters like the rest of us who do not CONSTANTLY talk about our sex lives in public. Good grief!

15 posted on 09/28/2010 8:12:40 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: rabscuttle385

Cornyn really sucks. Hee hee hee.


16 posted on 09/28/2010 8:13:50 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: rabscuttle385
Winning over gay rights advocates ...

To what end? [npi]

17 posted on 09/28/2010 8:15:29 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("It's amazing, A man who has such large ears could be so tone deaf" Rush Limbaugh 9/8/10)
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To: Khorum08

I assure you that those same moderates won’t give a hoot about the gays if they are worried they won’t have a job and their children’s children’s children will be saddled with trillions of dollars in debt. They will support conservatives if conservatives stick by their beliefs — lower taxes, smaller government, as well as no special rights for any group. The trouble comes when the “moderates,” aka elites, want to reach across the aisle to please their friends the democrats and don’t care one bit about “we the people.” If the moderates don’t see any difference between republicans and the democrats, they have no reason to vote for them.


18 posted on 09/28/2010 8:17:54 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Homos want to be identified by their sexual predilictions, which center around hurting themselves and others. Odd how this never comes up in the discussion. Cupcakes like to sell the idea that two guys cuddle occasionally, and then decorate with paisleys. RINOs and progressives like to pretend to believe this fantasy, to use as a hammer against religious belief.

A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE BIG LIE!!

19 posted on 09/28/2010 8:22:53 PM PDT by jonascord (The Tea Party just gave the Republican senators an ice water enema.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“The Log Cabin Republicans can believe in a strong military, a secure border, less government spending. less government period, be pro life, go to the religious institution they want, and are even pro civil union and not pro gay marriage,”

This is a false assertion.

They don’t believe any of the above, not very passionately anyway. They are all about their sexual habits. That’s what they organize around. That’s their reason for living. It consumes them.

All they are doing is advocating for the acceptance of perversion.

Otherwise they’d just join the Central Committee and work like the rest of us.


20 posted on 09/28/2010 8:33:44 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

There is far too much discussion for such infinitesimally small consequences.

So few can sway so much airtime.

I am more worried about the 8 million “Kulaks” which will be sacrificed in America, rather than the chandelier looking dazzling.

Disassociation.


21 posted on 09/28/2010 8:40:24 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: rabscuttle385
Conservatism and homosexuality are two total opposites. If you're a homosexual, then that means you want certain rights and preferential treatment above and beyond existing rights that contradicts conservatism.

There is an off-shoot of the LCR called GOProud. They're trying to hijack the Tea Party movement and say they believe in limited government too. It's all a ruse though.

22 posted on 09/28/2010 8:41:59 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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To: PhiloBedo
The goal of the homosexual community is to achieve "full acceptance" of the straight community - period.

Don't believe me, check their history: once, all that they wanted (demanded) was not to be physically abused; when the straight community accepted that; next, it was to be able to find housing without being "discriminated against" (which became, a single woman had to open up her home to two homosexual men, living openly or face a criminal charge: after that, it was "we only want to be able to visit one another in a hospital and/or achieve inheritance "rights (which they already had under civil law, one may pass along our wealth to anyone we desire - what they wanted was to allow one another to be "surviving spouse" under Social Security rules.

I remember someone in the straight community claiming that homosexuals really wanted to achieve legal status to marriage laws. The homosexual community were "outraged" claiming that there were people willing to make up lies to inflame everyone; that the furthest any homosexual was after was "just not being discriminated against in the community."

Look how far they have come by merely claiming small acceptances at a time, knowing full well that in the beginning, no one would ever be ready to acknowledge their serving openly in the military or being granted marriage rights in a number of states.

23 posted on 09/28/2010 8:52:59 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I don’t care if all homosexuals vote dem until they die. They bring no benefit to the conservative movement.


24 posted on 09/28/2010 8:54:50 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

We need to replace Cornyn. This is just one of several reasons.


25 posted on 09/28/2010 9:05:10 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: PhiloBedo

Why don’t we all just keep private matters, private?”

You don’t understand sodomites. They are spiritually and morally disordered personalities. Asking why they are sexual exhibitionists who render public restrooms, rest stops, and public parks dangerous and disgusting, among many other things, is like asking why fish swim - it’s in their nature.


26 posted on 09/28/2010 9:08:30 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Luke21

Cornyn really sucks. Hee hee hee

Not so funny to some of us who have to put up with him as our Senator and he’s not up until 2014.


27 posted on 09/28/2010 9:15:25 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The thing about conservatives is that we are not for any single group, but for all as a collective American whole. Democrats thrive on the single group mentality, we as conservatives want equality for all.

It is not right to single out homosexuals, if they are for a collective American whole, they should be welcomed. Just as in any singled out group. That is what we stand for.

Do not lump all as one, it is not a sin to be a homosexual, just to act upon their preference. That is what my church teaches and that is what I believe.

They can bring something to the conservative movement, just look at HillBuzz. They are out there fighting for our cause. These gay men are seeing the light and are trying to make a difference. I don’t know what they do in the bedroom, but that is not my concern, love the sinner but hate the sin.

Quit all the gay bashing, it does nothing more then bring us down to the level of the liberals. We are an accepting group, if you believe in our principles. No one is better then anyone else, we are all Americans trying to do what is best for America!


28 posted on 09/28/2010 9:31:29 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Not interested in people who view every single thing through the prism of their inability to figure out the purpose of their reproductive organs.

If they cannot deduce this simple function, then I do not want to hear their reasoning on things as complex as the politics America faces now...not even a little bit.


29 posted on 09/28/2010 9:39:32 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Khorum08
But we need the moderates.

"Moderate" doesn't mean what it used to mean. Something like 37 percent of Americans say if DADT is overturned, there should be career penalties and attempts to change values targeting those who disapprove of homosexuality.

In the long run, it's more important to get moderates to agree to think with you than to vote with you. The GOP is not doing that first job, and in doing the second it only disillusions its base.

Young people tend to be corrupted by both cultural and economic leftism. How often do you see pieces saying the GOP should abandon tax cuts in order to appeal to young moderates?

The real reason these stories keep happening is because the GOP leadership and mid-level activists is more friendly to homosexuality than to traditionalists. The local Metro Young Republicans even meets in a gay-themed hamburger diner. If the GOP's that compromised, I might as well join the Democrats. The GOP will just follow their lead anyway.

30 posted on 09/28/2010 10:49:23 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

>>> They can bring something to the conservative movement, just look at HillBuzz. They are out there fighting for our cause.

You’re talking into the wind. Just a few months ago the Hillbuzz guys signed up and posted here directly. The response they received was mostly vile and mindless insults. Then instead of the mob, it was they who were banned.

They had a lot to offer toward a common objective. That was a shame and a waste.


31 posted on 09/29/2010 12:00:37 AM PDT by tlb
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To: rabscuttle385
Gays have exactly the same rights as everyone else.

Blacks, Latinos, Asians etc., etc.. too.

What conservatives HATE is groups who want exclusive "rights" which apply only to them.

Gays have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like me.

I don't have the right to marry someone of the same sex; neither should they.

See how nice and fair that is?

32 posted on 09/29/2010 12:04:01 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“I don’t care if all homosexuals vote dem until they die. They bring no benefit to the conservative movement.”

Fair enough. What about “heterosexuals” who do not care one bit if homosexuals marry or have civilian unions. Do you want them to vote Dem also?

Just trying to see at what point all those “independent voters who ran away from Obama” no longer matter to putting Conservatives back in the WH.


33 posted on 09/29/2010 4:46:00 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: rabscuttle385

The homos took over the Democrap party back in the 70’s and 80’s and look where it got the Dem party today. So why should the GOP do the same thing and shoot itself in both feet?! The gay agenda will give the GOP political AIDS.


34 posted on 09/29/2010 5:23:15 AM PDT by Ron H. (Impeach Hussein Obama before he can declare himself dictator!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Obviously I would like everyone to vote for conservative candidates. However, any candidate who pushes for homosexual marriage or acceptance of homosexuality as normal will never, ever get my vote.


35 posted on 09/29/2010 5:24:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Same here. Thanks.


36 posted on 09/29/2010 5:33:03 AM PDT by Ron H. (Impeach Hussein Obama before he can declare himself dictator!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; All

“So if I am to understand this correctly, The Log Cabin Republicans can believe in a strong military, a secure border, less government spending. less government period, be pro life, go to the religious institution they want, and are even pro civil union and not pro gay marriage, and this still isn’t good enough for you?”

Correct. Homosexuals should NEVER be recognized as a “legitimate” minority. To do so will be to alienate a significant part of the GOP conservative base, of which I am part. I won’t vote for any candidate that in any way supports “homosexual” rights. I won’t be associated with a political party that recognizes homosexuals as a legitimate minority...no matter where they stand on any issue.

If you want to be “progressive” towards homosexuals, then become a Democrat or Libertarian. Such thinking has NO place in the GOP and those in the party that proclaim it should be voted out in primaries.


37 posted on 09/29/2010 5:55:51 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Khorum08
It's a play for the libertarians in the 36% MODERATE chunk of the vote.

***DING DING DING*** No more calls; we have a winner!

38 posted on 10/12/2010 12:51:13 PM PDT by Sakity Yaks
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To: achilles2000
sexual exhibitionists who render public restrooms

...but enough about Senator Craig....

39 posted on 10/12/2010 12:52:27 PM PDT by Sakity Yaks
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To: Sola Veritas

I’m taking my ball and going home! So There!


40 posted on 10/12/2010 12:54:02 PM PDT by Sakity Yaks
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To: GeronL

The problem isn’t the >2% percent of perverts in the population. The problem is the 10-20% of the population who pride themselves on being “open-minded” (so much so that their brains seem to have leaked out...) and think that any one whole fails to endorse homosexuals’ self-destructive lifestyles is a “bigot.” Unfortunately, we need at least some of their votes.


41 posted on 10/12/2010 1:03:13 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Sakity Yaks

Maybe Craig and Barney Frank were an “item” ;-)


42 posted on 10/12/2010 3:53:20 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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