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Robbery suspects shot dead by east Charlotte Pizza Hut employee(NC)
charlotteobserver.com ^ | 28 September, 2010 | Ely Portillo and Steve Lyttle

Posted on 09/29/2010 4:58:01 AM PDT by marktwain

A pizza deliveryman who shot two would-be robbers to death in east Charlotte said Tuesday that he didn’t draw his concealed pistol until the last possible second, when he thought he would be killed.

Throughout the robbery attempt, as the men hit and pistol-whipped him inside a cooler at an east Charlotte Pizza Hut, the driver said he kept his right elbow pinned tightly against his body – holding a Glock 22 under his shirt and out of view.

He said he didn’t want to use the gun unless he was forced to. But as one of the men lifted his shirt, nearly exposing the gun, the deliveryman opened fire.

The two men killed – Gregory James Hardy and Dauntrae Wallace – were both 21-year-old convicted felons, one on probation and one awaiting trial on unrelated charges.

Police were searching Tuesday night for a third suspect who fled the attempted robbery and was possibly wounded.

No charges have been filed against the deliveryman.

He asked that his name not be used out of fear for his and his family’s safety. Officials confirmed that the 57-year-old had worked as a jail detention officer and a sheriff’s deputy for about six years, leaving in 2004.

The robbery was reported about 11:15 p.m. Monday at the restaurant at East Independence Boulevard and Idlewild Road.

Just after closing, the deliveryman said the store manager asked if he wanted a soda from the McDonald’s across the street. The deliveryman said no, and continued cleaning while the manager left.

A moment later, three men walked in, at least two pointing guns. The first one told the deliveryman: “I mean business.”

They told him to open the safe. The deliveryman said he didn’t have access.

“‘Get down!’” one ordered. When the deliveryman didn’t, he says the man pistol-whipped him. The men then ordered him into a bathroom while they waited for the manager.

One of the robbers waited in the bathroom with the deliveryman. He ordered him to wrap his arms around the toilet, kneeling, and then demanded money.

“Every time I hesitated, he hit me. I have so many bumps,” the driver said. He turned over his $42 in tips for the night and a gold chain with a Jesus medallion he’s worn for almost 40 years.

The whole time, the driver tried to keep his gun pressed against his body, under his baggy shirt. The driver has a concealed carry permit, and started carrying the gun after being robbed twice in the past two years.

When the manager returned moments later, the suspects grabbed him. One told the deliveryman to crawl to the cooler in the back.

“I said I can’t crawl,” said the deliveryman, realizing that if he bent over any further his gun would stick out. “As soon as I stood up, he hit me. I took a big step and ended up in the cooler.”

Then, the suspect demanded car keys and hit the deliveryman again, opening a nearly two-inch gash next to his left eye.

When the suspect started to lift the deliveryman’s shirt, he realized the robber was about to see his gun.

“I thought, ‘He’s gonna kill us,’” the deliveryman said. “They’re gonna get what they want, and still kill me.

“I pulled my gun. I shot him three times, and he fell.”

The second suspect started to rush into the cooler, and the deliveryman shot him too. The third suspect ran away.

When police and paramedics arrived, they found two suspects on the floor, both dead, with guns nearby. One investigator said it’s possible the third suspect was wounded by the employee.

“We found some other evidence in the area of the business and are looking into that,” CMPD Sgt. Gerard Farley said. Police did not have a detailed description of the man.

Both of the men killed have criminal pasts, court records show. Wallace was convicted of breaking and entering and larceny in 2006. He was fined and given three years probation. In May, he was convicted of carrying a concealed gun and given another year of probation.

Court records show Hardy was convicted of car theft in 2006 and given three years probation. He was sent to prison for six months in 2007 when he violated his probation by trespassing.

Last year, he was arrested and charged with possessing and conspiring to sell marijuana, and was scheduled to be tried in November.

Their families couldn’t be reached Tuesday night.

The Pizza Hut attempted robbery was the second closing time fast-food hold-up in less than 24 hours. Early Monday, the Wendy’s on Charlottetowne Avenue near uptown was robbed by three men as it closed. A customer was pistol-whipped. Three men were arrested a short while later and charged with armed robbery.

Pizza Hut employees have been fired for using guns in self-defense. Chris Fuller, a spokesman for Pizza Hut’s national corporate office, said that “in the interest of our employees’ safety, we don’t discuss our safety policies publicly.”

However, there have been several reports in recent years in which Pizza Hut officials said corporate policy forbids employees from having weapons while on the job.

A Pizza Hut employee in Columbia resigned last year after police said he shot and killed a robbery suspect. The employee resigned, according to Pizza Hut’s Fuller, because of the company’s policy forbidding employees from carrying firearms.

In one well-publicized May 2004 case, a Pizza Hut employee in Carmel, Ind., was fired after he shot and killed a would-be robber. And in 2008, a Pizza Hut worker in Des Moines, Iowa, lost his job after shooting and wounding a robbery suspect. Both of those Pizza Hut employees were delivery drivers.

Though the deliveryman said he knew he’d be risking his job by drawing his gun, he was tired of being robbed. He does landscaping during the delay and delivers pizzas at night.

“It’s hard-earned money, and they think they can just take it?” he said Tuesday.

After killing the would-be robbers, the deliveryman went to Carolinas Medical Center for stitches and talked with investigators. Tuesday morning, he came home, talked briefly with reporters, and went to sleep until Tuesday evening.

Asked how he was feeling Tuesday night, he shook his head: “I don’t know. I don’t know.” Observer researcher Maria David and staff writer Cleve R. Wootson, Jr. contributed.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; nc; robber
The deliveryman showed remarkable restraint. Perhaps he picked the best chance that he had.
1 posted on 09/29/2010 4:58:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wallace was convicted of breaking and entering and larceny in 2006. He was fined and given three years probation. In May, he was convicted of carrying a concealed gun and given another year of probation.

The criminal ‘justice’ system has this man’s blood on their hands. Had he been in jail for the above crimes, he would be alive today...


2 posted on 09/29/2010 5:05:51 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: marktwain

He sure did. It’s tough to put myself in the same position, but I bet I’d have drawn the moment I felt my life in danger, not minutes down the line with beating after beating.

Which is, of course, why us Pennsylvanianers need to put pressure on our reps to pass HR 40 (Stand your Ground), which only last night was guaranteed a vote next week!


3 posted on 09/29/2010 5:06:26 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: marktwain

Hats off to the deliveryman for shooting these thugs. I am relieved that he did in fact have a concealed carry permit. The first reports were sketchy at best, but this actually gives his age and background.

Too bad the newspaper cannot proofread any better, there are a couple of silly errors in the story.


4 posted on 09/29/2010 5:07:00 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: TommyDale

Glock 22...40 cal. No substitute for firepower when the chips are down.

Give him a medal, job well done.


5 posted on 09/29/2010 5:10:35 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Paisan
Had he been in jail for the above crimes, he would be alive today...

And, most likely, he would have exited jail a bigger, stronger, more determined criminal than when he went in. People like this, willing to rob, assault and kill with little or no concern for their own fate, cannot be rehabilitated. This episode is a great example of why an armed society is a polite society. The problem is there aren't enough people with CC permits to make thugs like these two consider their own mortality when they decide to pull something like this. This delivery driver is a hero in my book.

6 posted on 09/29/2010 5:13:07 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: TommyDale

Good reason to never go to Pizza Hut. I just may send them a nice friendly email today and tell them I won’t be buying their pizza ever again because of their no-guns policy for employees.


7 posted on 09/29/2010 5:13:07 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Mouton

Job well done indeed, and now he will need a new job. Pizza Hut will fire him for having the gun that saved two lives.

I haven’t bought a pie from the Hut in years because of it, and will not until the publicly change the policy.


8 posted on 09/29/2010 5:15:11 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: Mouton

Job well done indeed, and now he will need a new job. Pizza Hut will fire him for having the gun that saved two lives.

I haven’t bought a pie from the Hut in years because of it, and will not until they publicly change the policy.


9 posted on 09/29/2010 5:15:26 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: kAcknor

Sorry about the double. Minor spell error, thought I caught it.


10 posted on 09/29/2010 5:16:52 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: marktwain

Any employee fired for violating a companies policy prohibiting self defense should seek a class action law suit against the company. While I normally detest most “class action” suits, there is and has been an organized campaign by anti gun groups to convince businesses that they need to disarm all their employees. If you prevent me from protecting myself on your premises, then you become 100% liable to provide protection, and any failure should be actionable.


11 posted on 09/29/2010 5:18:52 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Jerrybob

In the same boat here and will start a campaign in my local area to tell as many people as I can. Does anybody have an actual written policy statement to this effect with a Pizza Hut logo and executive signature on it?


12 posted on 09/29/2010 5:20:56 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio - US Senate, West FL22nd, Scott/Carroll - FL Gov/LtGov, Miller-AK US Senate)
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To: Paisan
Had he been in jail for the above crimes, he would be alive today

Somehow for the sake of the rest of society, I think his not being alive today is the best outcome. Some people just plain need killin'.

13 posted on 09/29/2010 5:22:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
If you prevent me from protecting myself on your premises, then you become 100% liable to provide protection, and any failure should be actionable.

I feel the exact same way about gubmint. States and/or cities that don't allow CC or make it prohibitively difficult to obtain should be held 100% accountable to provide protection 100% of the time. If they fail and someone gets hurt or killed because they were denied the right to self defense the state or city should be held 100% liable for all loss incurred.

14 posted on 09/29/2010 5:34:45 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Dan Nunn
reps to pass HR 40 (Stand your Ground),

I've always wondered as to why the government wants us to be victims. I have two theories:

  1. the government values its precious beloved black criminals over the hardworking taxpayers that it parasitizes. This kind of makes sense in that there is a fat government bureaucracy designed to deal with criminals (police, judges prosecuting attorneys, etc.) all of whom are highly paid, and if suddenly the peasants were able to deal with the criminals themselves, then there would not be the demand for these bureaucrats or
  2. if the government generally wants us peasants unable to defend themselves. If we're defenseless, then we can't defend against the government's organized thugs, and since all they care about is the safety of themselves, the more helpless we are the better off they are
Whatever the reason, there is an blatantly obvious double standard applied to a citizen killing an attacker defending himself and cops shooting whomever they feel like.
15 posted on 09/29/2010 5:35:22 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: marktwain
I can understand (not agree with) Pizza Hut's policy on personal weapons. In out litigious society one can easily see going to the "deep pockets" of Yum Brands. However in this case we have a former LEO (if prison guards qualify) who exercised great restraint before exercising equally great gun control - "They're dead, Jim".

My prayers for he and his family as they go through a horrible time, but by every fact this was a totally justified shoot and may have saved the lives of him and his manager.

16 posted on 09/29/2010 5:40:18 AM PDT by SES1066 (If you don't vote in November, quit your bitchin!)
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To: marktwain

I find it interesting that the manager went across the street to get a drink after closing. Doesn’t Pizza Hut serve beverages? I smell an accomplice.


17 posted on 09/29/2010 5:40:37 AM PDT by scotts8826
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To: from occupied ga
....I think his not being alive today is the best outcome

Yep. The recidivism rate is pretty high for violent criminals. Jail time doesn't seem to matter to them. When they do wind up in jail they usually come out bigger, stronger and more determined criminals than when they went in. The way to curb a lot of this seems to be two fold. One would be to return to prison farms where the inmates labor 12 hours a day, six days a week. No TV, no bulking up, no time to plan and organize new crimes with other criminals. The other would be for more of society to be armed. The only person a criminal is worried about is themselves. You make punishment so harsh they will walk the straight and narrow. If not, they know full well that they are taking their very lives into their own hands. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

18 posted on 09/29/2010 5:41:33 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: scotts8826
I smell an accomplice.

That thought crossed my mind, too.

19 posted on 09/29/2010 5:42:16 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Thermalseeker

I vote for both.


20 posted on 09/29/2010 5:44:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
I vote for both.

I'm not sure why they ever got away from prison farms. I grew up in NE Georgia and there was a prison farm not far from my boyhood home. This farm operated for decades with a positive cash flow. The inmates grew all the food for the prisoners and sold excess produce to citizens. They also made and sold uniforms for rental services, among other things. Instead of the prison being a drain on gubmint coffers it was a profitable venture. Violent crime was lower then because potential criminals knew that they might wind up on the business end of a hoe 12 hours a day.

21 posted on 09/29/2010 5:48:32 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: marktwain

Outstanding!


22 posted on 09/29/2010 5:49:45 AM PDT by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: scotts8826

He may have had a friend working at the other store. Maybe at the end of the evening, he gets tired of the smell of pizza. I don’t have a problem with it.


23 posted on 09/29/2010 5:51:24 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: scotts8826

unless the machines were broken, that does stink...


24 posted on 09/29/2010 5:54:50 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Thermalseeker

“Violent crime was lower then because potential criminals knew that they might wind up on the business end of a hoe 12 hours a day.”

I think that may the the problem now. The word “hoe” has a completely different connotation with the “younger” generation. Doing “12 hours” with one now looks like party time.


25 posted on 09/29/2010 6:08:18 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Thermalseeker

Hard labor certainly makes a lot more sense than letting them sit around watching oprah or hbo


26 posted on 09/29/2010 6:10:02 AM PDT by OilCanDan23
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To: marktwain

Pizza Hut would much prefer the deliverymen and clerks to die. Pizza Hut doesn’t want to alienate a portion of its customer base by allowing them to be killed or wounded. You can always replace employees. It is harder to replace customers.


27 posted on 09/29/2010 6:15:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: marktwain

Witnesses heard gunshots from the inside of the store, followed almost immediately by a shouted, “You bitches want pepperoni with that?”


28 posted on 09/29/2010 6:16:45 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
If you prevent me from protecting myself on your premises, then you become 100% liable to provide protection, and any failure should be actionable.

You are 100% correct.

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but no person, company or government entity can force you to disarm then throw you to the wolves.

If we still operated under the Laws of logic and reason, more people would come to that conclusion, too.

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Kudos to this guy for standing up to protect what was his.

Since he delayed in protecting himself because of the fear of repercussions from his employer, I wish there were a way for him to sue that employer for every bump he got and drop of blood he lost.

If anyone deserves something for 'mental anguish', it's this man.

29 posted on 09/29/2010 6:16:59 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: scotts8826

“manager went across the street”

Pizza hut has pepsi products, Mcdonalds has Coke. I’d cross the street too.


30 posted on 09/29/2010 6:17:31 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: from occupied ga

Solid piece of work. Took his beating and bid his time, then acted explosively.


31 posted on 09/29/2010 6:19:15 AM PDT by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: SES1066

A murdered clerk’s family can go after those deep pockets, too, and will.


32 posted on 09/29/2010 6:20:36 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Thermalseeker

The only person a criminal is worried about is themselves.

Himself.


33 posted on 09/29/2010 6:21:59 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: scotts8826
I smell an accomplice.

I think we may find out if/when that third robber is captured.

34 posted on 09/29/2010 6:23:34 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Jerrybob
Good reason to never go to Pizza Hut.

Its interesting that they have a well publicized policy that practically begs thugs to rob, maim and kill employees and customers.

35 posted on 09/29/2010 6:25:55 AM PDT by The Theophilus
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To: IGOTMINE

Yes he did us all a favor, but I wonder how long it will be before we hear from their mothers and aunts that “they were good boys,” and that they were “turning their lives around.”


36 posted on 09/29/2010 6:37:03 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: scotts8826
Doesn’t Pizza Hut serve beverages?

I thought that was weird too.

37 posted on 09/29/2010 7:07:28 AM PDT by super7man
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To: super7man

Maybe he went for a coffee, and did not want to make a pot only for himself. Does not have to be a soda. He only ask the delevier guy if he wanted a soda.


38 posted on 09/29/2010 7:35:13 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: scotts8826
Doesn’t Pizza Hut serve beverages?

Our local PH only sells bottles, not individual drinks.

39 posted on 09/29/2010 7:59:50 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years)
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To: Thermalseeker
Violent crime was lower then because potential criminals knew that they might wind up on the business end of a hoe 12 hours a day.

It's not just that.

The fundamental problem is teen, single mothers. They're a central cause of wickedness in society that get little blame for how destructive their selfish behavior truly is.

40 posted on 09/29/2010 11:52:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: scotts8826

PH doesn’t serve alcoholic beverages.at least not here in MN.

(Dauntrae translates to “don’t shoot” in the old , Amish dialect.)


41 posted on 09/29/2010 1:06:20 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“(Dauntrae translates to “don’t shoot” in the old , Amish dialect.)”

Thanks for seconding my suspicions.


42 posted on 09/29/2010 2:40:29 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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43 posted on 09/29/2010 10:50:38 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: marktwain

A ‘happy’ ending, given the extreme circumstances.

Two or three less predators on the streets of Charlotte.


44 posted on 09/29/2010 11:03:14 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: 1010RD
They're a central cause of wickedness in society that get little blame for how destructive their selfish behavior truly is.

Products of the (not so)Great Society......

45 posted on 09/30/2010 5:20:26 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: arthurus
Himself.

Criminality isn't limited to the male of the species. What if the criminal is a female? There are plenty of them out there. Posters have to be bi-gender these days to be PC, dontchaknow? Hence, the use of the term "themselves".....

46 posted on 09/30/2010 5:22:50 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: MamaTexan

More people are reaching the same conclusion....
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/09/30/1727351/charlotte-victims-fight-back.html


47 posted on 09/30/2010 5:29:47 AM PDT by csmusaret (If the Bush recession ended in June 2009, did the Obama economy begin in July 2009?)
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To: csmusaret
Yes, I read that story yesterday about that gentleman.

Thank goodness he decided to exercise his RKBA. If he had bought into the ‘government will protect you’ wheeze of today's popular culture instead of utilizing his Natural right of self-defense, we would be reading his obituary.... not his interview.

48 posted on 09/30/2010 6:35:59 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Thermalseeker
The language is English. The indefinite pronoun for either masculine or feminine is the masculine. In Left Peecee you have to say "themselves" which is actually simply and obviously ignorant and effete.

"The only person a criminal is worried about is themselves."

Only a supersensitive lefty could see that as anything but awkward and ignorant. "Woman, oh no!" It's a word that is contracted from wife+man and therefore is sexist and mustn't be used. So perhaps wife-no, that implies an adjunct to a man, geez! we have to go to woperson! Damn! can't do that either. Son means male progeny. So I guess the word has to be WOPER. Sorry, again the language is ENGLISH not PEECEE. Don't give them the language!

49 posted on 09/30/2010 8:01:03 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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