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An alarmed Iran asks for outside help to stop rampaging Stuxnet malworm
DEBKA File ^ | 29 September, 2010 | NA

Posted on 09/29/2010 5:52:44 AM PDT by Errant

Tehran this week secretly appealed to a number of computer security experts in West and East Europe with offers of handsome fees for consultations on ways to exorcize the Stuxnet worm spreading havoc through the computer networks and administrative software of its most important industrial complexes and military command centers. debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources report Iran turned for outside help after local computer experts failed to remove the destructive virus. None of the foreign experts has so far come forward because Tehran refuses to provide precise information on the sensitive centers and systems under attack and give the visiting specialists the locations where they would need to work. They were not told whether they would be called on to work outside Tehran or given access to affected sites to study how they function and how the malworm managed to disable them. Iran also refuses to give out data on the changes its engineers have made to imported SCADA (Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition) systems, mostly from Germany. The impression debkafile sources gained Wednesday, Sept. 29 from talking to European computer experts approached for aid was that the Iranians are getting desperate. Not only have their own attempts to defeat the invading worm failed, but they made matters worse: The malworm became more aggressive and returned to the attack on parts of the systems damaged in the initial attack.

One expert said: "The Iranians have been forced to realize that they would be better off not 'irritating' the invader because it hits back with a bigger punch."

Looking beyond Iran's predicament, he wondered whether the people responsible for planting Stuxnet in Iran - and apparently continuing to offload information from its sensitive systems - have the technology for stopping its rampage. "My impression," he said, "is that somebody outside Iran has partial control at least on its spread. Can this body stop malworm in its tracks or kill it? We don't have that information at present, he said.

As it is, the Iranian officials who turned outside for help were described by another of the experts they approached as alarmed and frustrated. It has dawned on them that the trouble cannot be waved away overnight but is around for the long haul. Finding a credible specialist with the magic code for ridding them of the cyber enemy could take several months. After their own attempts to defeat Stuxnet backfired, all the Iranians can do now is to sit back and hope for the best, helpless to predict the worm's next target and which other of their strategic industries will go down or be robbed of its secrets next.

While Tehran has given out several conflicting figures on the systems and networks struck by the malworm - 30,000 to 45,000 industrial units - debkafile's sources cite security experts as putting the figure much higher, in the region of millions. If this is true, then this cyber weapon attack on Iran would be the greatest ever.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: 05091979; computers; debka; espionage; habibelghanian; iran; malware; myrtus; nucleariran; stuxnet; virus
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Too funny...
1 posted on 09/29/2010 5:52:49 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Eat worms, terror clan!


2 posted on 09/29/2010 5:53:54 AM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: Errant

Debka... < eyeroll > ....


3 posted on 09/29/2010 5:55:02 AM PDT by freebilly (No wonder the left has a boner for Obama. There's CIALIS in soCIALISt....)
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To: Errant

DEBKA - Hope it is true.


4 posted on 09/29/2010 5:55:59 AM PDT by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Errant

Excellent weapon, worth every penny. If we just keep updating this virus, it would be much cheaper than a whole nuclear arsenal.


5 posted on 09/29/2010 5:56:31 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Errant
This has mossad or cia written all over it...if true!

Mike

6 posted on 09/29/2010 5:57:35 AM PDT by MichaelP (Democrats are the party of Special Re-education)
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To: Errant

“The Iranians have been forced to realize that they would be better off not ‘irritating’ the invader because it hits back with a bigger punch.”

sort of like picking a fight with 4chan. Actually this does sort of sound like them. I wonder what the Iranians did to tick them off?


7 posted on 09/29/2010 5:59:29 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Errant

Don’t bring a mullah to a malware fight.


8 posted on 09/29/2010 6:00:28 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no such thing as a good tax." Winston Churchill)
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To: freebilly

DEBKA has been more right than wrong.


9 posted on 09/29/2010 6:01:21 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Errant

This worm can be defeated by plugging your AC power into a 440v, 3 phase electric circuit. Or, to make it even quicker, place a bobbie pin into the nearest AC outlet.


10 posted on 09/29/2010 6:01:21 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Errant

As the worm turns


11 posted on 09/29/2010 6:01:55 AM PDT by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Errant

If this was the bubba administration he would send help.

O might send help yet.


12 posted on 09/29/2010 6:05:00 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Errant

Must be why their pissant leader met with the new black panthers...to discuss computer worms. Dumb and dumbest.


13 posted on 09/29/2010 6:05:22 AM PDT by Post5203 (Let's make election 2010 EJECTION 2010. Time for a complete do-over.)
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To: MichaelP

What an irony... all this talk of striking Iran militarily and the angst of whether Israel may launch said attack, then for Iran to get flanked by something like this... Ha... Ha-ha.... bwaa-haaaahahahahahahahahahah.


14 posted on 09/29/2010 6:06:06 AM PDT by dps.inspect (uttox)
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To: Errant

Ask allah for help, you bunch of terrorist ragheads.


15 posted on 09/29/2010 6:07:50 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Obama, Pelosi and Reid - the Trio of Twits)
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To: WAW

as long as it eats Iranian networks and doesnt burrow into other world networks .....

While I hope this works I fear containment


16 posted on 09/29/2010 6:07:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (The lesser of two evils is still evil.)
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To: Errant

This thing came in on the net I suppose. Only stand alone systems with no net connections will survive and even then it may be spread to those by dissidents. They want a 10th century lifestyle in Iran and now they will get it. Just deserts!


17 posted on 09/29/2010 6:08:28 AM PDT by Leg Olam (A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick in his mouth.)
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To: Errant

Someone opened up a can of worms on them. Wait’ll someone opens up a can of whoopass.

Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.


18 posted on 09/29/2010 6:09:11 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Errant

This is getting interesting. Tinfoil interesting. Is it Israel? Is it China practicing to wipe out our communications? It sure looks like somebody doesn’t like Iran! :)


19 posted on 09/29/2010 6:09:17 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: Leg Olam

Spread by USB thumb drive containing sexually explicit pictures of camels.


20 posted on 09/29/2010 6:10:55 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Why wouldn’t Russia do this? They can come in and save the day. (For a small fee of course)


21 posted on 09/29/2010 6:11:10 AM PDT by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Carley

I’ve got a copy of Norton AV they can have... It’s kinda old and there are parts of it still on my HD.


22 posted on 09/29/2010 6:11:34 AM PDT by Errant
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To: dps.inspect

Kind of reminds you of the end of the story in Orson Welles’ broadcast about the martians. Defeated in the end not by superior brute force, but by the tiniest life forms...


23 posted on 09/29/2010 6:12:43 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: Post5203
Must be why their pissant leader met with the new black panthers...to discuss computer worms.

ROFLOL!!!

24 posted on 09/29/2010 6:13:08 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

25 posted on 09/29/2010 6:13:46 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: listenhillary

I don’t know, but I do think someone’s getting some practice in 21st c warfare.


26 posted on 09/29/2010 6:14:10 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: RexBeach
Don’t bring a mullah to a malware fight.

Maybe they should try "stoning" the computers.

27 posted on 09/29/2010 6:14:46 AM PDT by Errant
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

What if the worm isn’t really that effective and Iran is just acting like it is wreaking havoc ... Iran could continue enriching while outside agencies would underestimate their production.

Israel should still physically destroy Iran’s facilities.


28 posted on 09/29/2010 6:16:03 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Leg Olam
I read earlier their system was closed loop and this could have been inserted by a memory stick.

Either way, anything is susceptible to corruption, huh?

29 posted on 09/29/2010 6:16:54 AM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: Errant

When all is said and done, they will find an email from a guy in Nigeria.


30 posted on 09/29/2010 6:16:59 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: ryan71

This is exactly why memory sticks, thumb drives, etc. are forbidden in secure systems here.


31 posted on 09/29/2010 6:18:12 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

That would be a brilliant move by the Iranians, huh?


32 posted on 09/29/2010 6:19:17 AM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: Errant

Independence Day Redux?
While it couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch, it is worrying that we could be subject to an equivalent attack.


33 posted on 09/29/2010 6:21:24 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Errant
“with offers of handsome fees for consultations on ways to exorcize the Stuxnet worm “

I am for hire as a consultant to them. Simply gather large amounts of high explosives and place near all nuclear facilities and computer systems. Detonate.
Then the worm will be gone.

34 posted on 09/29/2010 6:22:32 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (A guy walks into a bar)
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To: Errant
It stux to be you, Iran.

5.56mm

35 posted on 09/29/2010 6:22:51 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Carley

Or someone with some updated software to make it work even better.


36 posted on 09/29/2010 6:22:55 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: TommyDale
Happened to here... You should see 1,000+ PCs warehoused with post-its identifying the owners...
37 posted on 09/29/2010 6:23:13 AM PDT by Errant
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I am having a hard time believing this story...If this supposed worm is in all of Iran’s networks, then it has surely spread around the rest of the world. We just don’t know it. If it has spread around the world, how come other world’s systems haven’t been affected?

All this opens a can of worms....Someone on their side will eventually figure this out and will back engineer it so they can use it against us and other nations....


38 posted on 09/29/2010 6:24:19 AM PDT by Maringa
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To: M Kehoe

LOL


39 posted on 09/29/2010 6:25:04 AM PDT by Errant
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To: dps.inspect
And when the worm eats its way into the air defense system....you strike!

Mike

40 posted on 09/29/2010 6:25:16 AM PDT by MichaelP (Democrats are the party of Special Re-education)
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To: Errant; TommyDale

Happened here to = Happened to here


41 posted on 09/29/2010 6:26:08 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Darn, if only I knew SCADA and spoke Farsi I’d make a killing cleaning them up. And does the NSA have anything they want me to drop off while I’m there?


42 posted on 09/29/2010 6:26:43 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: WAW

Go Mossad. And why should we not be backing Israel when they are so very clever?


43 posted on 09/29/2010 6:27:16 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Maringa

I thought I had read the systems involved are not connected to the internet and the worm was planted with a a thumb drive.


44 posted on 09/29/2010 6:32:58 AM PDT by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Errant

It appears that Israel has more weapons at its disposal than jets. And this worm can burrow underground better than a bunker buster. And uses less fuel.


45 posted on 09/29/2010 6:33:38 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: RexBeach

Rex, I stole your quote for my facebook status. Of course, none of my friends have a clue of what I am talking about.


46 posted on 09/29/2010 6:34:45 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: M Kehoe

Don’t worry mullah!
This won’t hurt a bit.


47 posted on 09/29/2010 6:35:13 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: silverleaf
anti-virus companies that scan the net, claim 60% of the infections are in Iran. The rest are said to be in India, Indonesia, Germany and the USA
48 posted on 09/29/2010 6:36:46 AM PDT by waynesa98
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To: Errant
Someone should send them a Fedora install disk.
49 posted on 09/29/2010 6:40:08 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: Errant

Some one should suggest to Ahmedinajad to pray for the expedited arrival of the 12th Imam so he could help them. Well…just a thought……just trying to be helpful.


50 posted on 09/29/2010 6:42:10 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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