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N.J. Democrat: How about $500 per year to exercise 2nd Amendment rights?
Radio Vice Online ^ | Sept. 29, 2010 | Steve McGough

Posted on 09/29/2010 6:13:30 AM PDT by Steve495

Pathetic. Disturbing. Unreal. It’s already totally unacceptable the state of New Jersey severely restricts residents concerning their 2nd Amendment rights, but now a New Jersey state legislator suggests – for $500 per year – the state would reconsider their opinion. They think they can generate tax revenue through the scheme.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2nd; amendment; banglist; carry; firearms; newjersey; taxes

1 posted on 09/29/2010 6:13:35 AM PDT by Steve495
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To: Steve495

Thanks for posting, reporting. The machinations of totalitarians.

Sen. Jeff Van Drew (D-Cape May)


2 posted on 09/29/2010 6:17:43 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Steve495

Why don’t we propose a $500/yr fee if you register as a Democrat.

They place such a burden on society, it’s only ‘fair.’

Oh, and let’s place a $500 fee on other rights, like voting. Oh, wait ...


3 posted on 09/29/2010 6:19:55 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Steve495

“...........would be more open to accepting gun-toting citizens if they knew they paid $500 for the privilege.”

Key word here is privilege. Like many of the liberal asses they don’t understand the RIGHTS we already have.


4 posted on 09/29/2010 6:20:45 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA, You can't fix stupid...)
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To: Steve495

Damn, by the headline I thought the article was saying they’d give me $500 a year to help me exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.


5 posted on 09/29/2010 6:23:45 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Steve495

I think $500/year is about right, for the privilege of not owning a gun.


6 posted on 09/29/2010 6:25:28 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Steve495
Other possible New Jersey taxes.

$500 tax for every church, printing press, microphone or television camera.

$50 tax per bilbe (Korans are free)

$25 for every time you ask to see a search warrant.

$10,000 jury fee.

$1000 non-testifying fine. You still don't have to incriminate yourself, but now you just have to pay.

7 posted on 09/29/2010 6:26:26 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! Oot piffoo blaboo...)
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To: Steve495

In order to belong to any left leaning organization, liberal-socialist, communist etc. you have to be at least half brain dead to begin with, so what else would you expect?


8 posted on 09/29/2010 6:29:31 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: Steve495
Sounds a bit like a poll tax. Sure, you can vote. Everyone has a right to vote. Just pay this much money and go into the booth. What? You're poor? Well, I guess the rich folk will vote for you.

Things like this are just tools to keep the poor (and often that really means Blacks) in a subservient position. Democrats love this stuff.

9 posted on 09/29/2010 6:32:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: Steve495

Will girls seeking abortions also have to pay $500 per year to exercise their rights?

....

didn’t think so.


10 posted on 09/29/2010 6:36:38 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: ClearCase_guy

How about we barter...so many bullets per 2A rights.


11 posted on 09/29/2010 6:36:41 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Steve495

All reporters must pay a $500.00 fee to write.


12 posted on 09/29/2010 6:37:40 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm really not Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: Steve495

How about a tax on Democrats, since they’re the people who always demand more federal spending?


13 posted on 09/29/2010 6:43:52 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Class warfare is Obama's thing.)
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To: Steve495
N.J. Democrat: How about $500 per year to exercise 2nd Amendment rights?

I always thought "EXTORTION" was illegal. Guess not when the Gubbermint is doing it.

14 posted on 09/29/2010 6:49:19 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Steve495
Like most states which engage in the anti-US practice of restricting concealed weapons from law abiding citizens, there still are a precious chosen few in NJ who do have a CCW "permit."

Many of the these people are the same liberals who are opposed to law-abiding citizens owning guns.

How much do they pay to exercise their right?

15 posted on 09/29/2010 6:49:31 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Steve495
Two words..

HELL NO!


16 posted on 09/29/2010 6:49:41 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Leo Farnsworth
pay a $500.00 fee to write.

nah, a flat rate like that would be abused by 'big media'...

needs to be a per word rate...

17 posted on 09/29/2010 6:55:05 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Steve495

Numerous God-given rights are listed in the Bill of Rights. If NJ charged $500 per person for exercising those rights each year, they could bring in thousands of dollars per person. I’m sure that Dems see nothing wrong with this dramatic expansion of the old poll tax idea.


18 posted on 09/29/2010 7:47:26 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: KarlInOhio

How about $500 every time a politician talks. The state would have a surplus in about a week.


19 posted on 09/29/2010 8:00:24 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Steve495
N.J. Democrat: How about $500 per year to exercise 2nd Amendment rights?

$500 per year for the right of Self-defense?

How about $500 per year to exercise 1st Amendment rights?

20 posted on 09/29/2010 10:11:47 AM PDT by chainsaw56 (Do you have the right to defend yourself??)
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To: Ratman83

And it would cut down on Global Warming – what without all that hot air being expelled for no reason.


21 posted on 09/29/2010 10:14:20 AM PDT by chainsaw56 (Do you have the right to defend yourself??)
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To: Steve495
Let's ask this commie if he wants to apply that $500 fee to the other items in the Bill of Rights, then.

How about a right to a speedy trial?

How about the right to a jury of your peers?

How about the right to free speech?

How about the right to peaceably assemble?

It's just as ridiculous to "tax" the right to keep and bear arms.

22 posted on 09/29/2010 10:21:54 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: Steve495

>N.J. Democrat: How about $500 per year to exercise 2nd Amendment rights?

Counterproposal: shoot politicians & bureaucrats who want to charge people for exercising their rights.
After all, the only ones who want to disarm you as a matter of course are those who wish to impose their will upon you via force.
It can be argued that disarmament itself is an act of violence.


23 posted on 09/29/2010 10:37:16 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Pollster1

Ironic, actually:

NEW JERSEY STATE CONSTITUTION
Article 1

Sec 5. No person shall be denied the enjoyment of any civil or military right, nor be discriminated against in the exercise of any civil or military right, nor be segregated in the militia or in the public schools, because of religious principles, race, color, ancestry or national origin.


24 posted on 09/29/2010 10:43:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Steve495

“How about $500 per year to exercise 2nd Amendment rights?”

How about drop dead you @#&*%!


25 posted on 09/29/2010 11:43:18 AM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: Steve495

Just throw it back in their faces - call them racists and anti-poor, making it so that only rich people can afford to legally defend themselves. Accuse them of trying to railroad poor black families into prison.

Since that’s pretty much what they’re doing.


26 posted on 09/29/2010 11:46:03 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Steve495
How about $500 per year to exercise 2nd Amendment rights?

How about you go pound sand!

27 posted on 09/29/2010 11:59:10 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Palin Haley O'Donnell - mmm mmmm mmmmmmmmm)
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To: PGalt
Sen Van Drew? The same Van Drew with phone numbers at

(609) 465-0700 (Cape May Court House)
(856) 765-0891 (Millville)
(856) 696-7109 (Vineland)
(609) 926-3779 (Somers Point)

... but doesn't have a published email address??

28 posted on 09/29/2010 12:04:21 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Steve495

I’ve been living in Europe for a while now, but aren’t folks already paying license fees for that right?


29 posted on 09/29/2010 12:55:27 PM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Steve495

The “New” NRA would probably go along with this.


30 posted on 09/29/2010 1:46:17 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: OneWingedShark

Well they did have that little battle that Christie could see the spot from his office in Trenton. Some rag tag group crossing the icy Delaware to give a CHristmas suprise to some hung over Hessians.


31 posted on 09/29/2010 1:48:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: GoldenPup
N.J. Democrat: How about $500 per year to exercise 2nd Amendment rights?

Well....I might go along with this, if the bag limit on progressives is not less than ten per year.

32 posted on 09/29/2010 1:52:44 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: W. W. SMITH

When the season opens, there will be no bag limit.


33 posted on 09/29/2010 1:54:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Damn, by the headline I thought the article was saying they’d give me $500 a year to help me exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.

That might actually make economic sense. In exchange for getting your CCW, passing marksmanship test, and agreeing to carry whenever you go out in public in NJ, you get $500. Spending $60K on putting 120 more CCWs out there will probably do more to reduce crime than spending $60K to add one more cop.

34 posted on 09/29/2010 1:58:44 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: MHGinTN

“When the season opens, there will be no bag limit.”

That’s how I see it. If I must clean my guns, it will have to be worthwhile.


35 posted on 09/29/2010 2:06:54 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: W. W. SMITH

If I lived in NJ, I would sign up.


36 posted on 09/29/2010 2:43:46 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Steve495

They could save considerable money if they paid their legislature $1.00 per year.


37 posted on 09/29/2010 5:17:06 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Party is spending your great-grandkids inheritance)
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To: Steve495

No thanks. But if they do it, have the reps who vote for it go door to door collecting it. Should solve a couple problems that way.


38 posted on 09/29/2010 5:29:29 PM PDT by rebootd
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To: theDentist; All

Thanks for the post/ping. Great thread.

Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.

See you in NOVEMBER!


39 posted on 09/29/2010 5:53:28 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Steve495
Next they can charge citizens to exercise their right to free speech. They could probably make a whole bundle of dough on that one...more talkers than gun owners in the nation.
40 posted on 09/29/2010 7:42:54 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: Steve495

We used to have poll taxes. Why not a tax on politicians’ salaries.

Say 150%. And make it retroactive, like the Clinton retroactive tax.


41 posted on 09/30/2010 11:08:44 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Steve495; Coleus; jocon307; Alberta's Child; Pharmboy; Calpernia; Malsua; dead; nj26; OldFriend; ...
Bump & a BANG! What a guy, and he's supposed to be a conservative rat with two pistolas of his own!


Tony Kurdzuk/The Star-Ledger
State Sen. Jeff Van Drew has proposed legislation allowing permitted N.J. residents to carry handguns.
"Senator Van Drew, for whatever reason, is kowtowing to the pro-gun forces of darkness who want to turn this country into an armed society," said Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ. "It’s very simple: Do we want to be standing in line at a grocery store, at a movie theater, sitting next to someone in a church or anywhere else not knowing whether that person is legally carrying a handgun?"
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/nj_senator_pushes_law_allowing.html

How would that wimp, Bryan Miller, react to living in Alaska, Arizona or Vermont where almost all adults can carry concealed handguns for free without any permit or license? He sounds like he wouldn't leave his home. Period.

42 posted on 10/02/2010 6:34:43 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

We’ve been discussing this at njgunforums for a bit now. I’ve come to the conclusion that this is a dem lawmaker in NJ who sees the writing on the wall but wants to dip his hand into our pockets while we’ll still agree to it. He _KNOWS_ that Carry will come to NJ and it will be administrative costs only so getting us to voluntarily accept a huge fee is his way to get something for nothing.

I’m also of the opinion that if they can get the camel’s head and front legs in the tent($500), it should be easy to get the whole camel in year after year I.e. raise the fee every year. $500 is the “teaser rate”.

If this is the only option for carry in NJ, I will probably clench my teeth and pay it. I already have a Virginia and Florida Carry permit and that’s really sad. Other states trust me more than my own.


43 posted on 10/03/2010 5:41:35 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua
Free or fight! It's a right! If you have enough money to pay for another registration scheme, then organize and hire Alan Gura, the lead attorney in Heller and McDonald.

Remember the poll tax! It's keep and bear. So it's open carry or concealed, one or the other. They can't charge you for either or for exercising a right.

I can understand the cities having problems with open carry. OK, let them take the path that Arizona and Alaska took. Arizona and Alaska made unrestricted concealed carry legal, except for felons and their de facto equivalent. Vermont never restricted concealed carry.

44 posted on 10/03/2010 10:04:20 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Steve495

What if I said OK ... and exercising that right meant COMPLETE exercise thereof? Hang on before flaming me! This would include, under exemption 922(o)(1)(A), state authorization for the purchase, ownership, and possession of post-1986 machineguns, including open and unrestricted carry thereof.

Yeah, I mean getting a new M4 and zero hassles carrying it down the street.

No? Didn’t think he was serious.


45 posted on 10/03/2010 11:54:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Thanks neverdem. OTOH:
46 posted on 10/03/2010 7:48:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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