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Revisiting the Vietnam War: The Legacy of the Tet Offensive (burying a dangerous historical myth)
National Review ^ | 09/30/2010 | James S. Robbins

Posted on 09/30/2010 7:23:58 AM PDT by WebFocus

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To: Grampa Dave

Add John Kennedy to your list, Mr. “call off the air support” and “send the troops to Vietnam”, he was the incompetent liberal boob that started all this.

Man does that guy get good historical whitewashing though.

41 posted on 09/30/2010 8:43:17 AM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of have lost the battle.)
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To: IronJack
Giáp. The general is still alive in a nursing home in Hà Nội. He is 100 years this year. One of my VN buddies is now an English teacher in a Hà Nội middle school. He has been angling for an appointment to visit the old man and has been given a tentative date in November. Art has introduced baseball to the school system in Hà Nội and several schools have teams. By the end of the last century Việt Nam was the only country that had had a major American Military presence that did not have baseball as a major sport after the US left. Art says he is working to fix that. He says the parents and the officials love it.
42 posted on 09/30/2010 8:50:22 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di tray hoi den La Vang)
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To: Bigun

Ditto that, good buddy!

43 posted on 09/30/2010 8:50:27 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Interesting Times; zot; Nick Danger
Absolutely. The Vietnam War was lost by choice.

PING to a great interview.


44 posted on 09/30/2010 8:51:26 AM PDT by The Shrew (;; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: mbynack

To be really precise, the Tet offensive was waged primarily by the Viet Cong. As a result they were nearly wiped out as an effective fighting force. It was after Tet that NVA regulars began doing the brunt of the fighting in the south.

45 posted on 09/30/2010 9:11:38 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: WebFocus

The damage done to the South Vietnamese people by the left in this country cannot be calculated. Our military won every battle and won the war. The story being told by “historians” in this country is a lie. What WAS lost was the “peace” when the congressional democrats broke every promise made to the So. Vietnamese people between 1973 and 1975. They HANDED the south to the communists-something I suspected they wanted to do all along.

I was relatively young when this all happened, and it was here that I began to hate the demonRATs and the left. And I still do.

46 posted on 09/30/2010 9:18:01 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: WebFocus

I will add one fact I doubt many of you ever heard.

During the build up to the Tet Offensive we were collecting all levels of Chinese and N Vietnamese Regulars in the areas around Saigon, Da Nang, Hue and all the other important sites in Nam. When they started hitting the cities it was only the press and the politicians that had no clue what was going on.

But - The most important thing that happened was that at the end of the Tet Offensive, the N. Vietnamese offered Ho Chi Min to us if we would stop the bombing.

So President Johnson did the same thing as he did earlier when we had bombed the north into submission - he stopped and waited for them to show up at the talks in Paris.

They waited how long?

3-4 months as I recall. In the mean time they rebuilt and rearmed through China and Russia.

Each time Johnson patiently had his negotiators waited in Paris - twiddling their thumbs while our men continued dieing.

If Johnson had of done what Westmorland and Abrams suggested, the North would be told to get to Paris anyway they could and when a treaty or truce was signed, then and only then would we stop bombing them. Instead, we cleared the airspace and allowed any and all flights out of Hanoi in the hopes that they were going to Paris.

I know these facts because I was the only one who saw and handled the messages given directly to Generals Westmorland & Abrams. I took the online encrypted messages to offline encryption and then directly to General Westmorland’s Adjutant who then handed it directly to General Westmorland (in my presence).

I then waited for further instructions and reversed the process of encryption to transmit their response to Washington.

Only I, the Adjutant and the two Generals knew what was in those messages (well - and the Senate Arms Limitation Committee and I suppose Pres Johnson). When I left the service I was specifically told not to disclose any information I gathered in my duties while in this Top Secret position.

I have told others of this in the past as I am telling you this now. I will continue to do so until my dying day in hopes that the story will be written correctly and not the way the press wrote it.

I also did some things which helped our cause during the Tet Offensive. I delayed messages (Officially) reaching Westmorland and Abrams until they could take specific action to prevent the Viet Cong, Chinese and N Vietnamese Regulars from getting their equipment back into the DMZ on their exit and TET Failure.

- But that is an entirely other story.

47 posted on 09/30/2010 9:21:32 AM PDT by jongaltsr (It)
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To: IronJack

“(his name slips my mind)”

General Giap

48 posted on 09/30/2010 9:26:58 AM PDT by Forty-Niner ( Give Babs Boxer a pink slip just so we can call her ma'am again I believe she's earned it.")
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Johnson/Macnamera had no intention of letting us effectively fight the war.

If we “Invaded” the North we would be as bad as they were - therefore we let them beat the shit out of us at their leisure.

49 posted on 09/30/2010 9:32:27 AM PDT by jongaltsr (It)
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To: Bigun

Pukes? Aren’t you late for school?

50 posted on 09/30/2010 9:34:02 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Yes PUKES! Just like you!

I was THERE on the ground 1966 - 67 Puke!

Where were you?

51 posted on 09/30/2010 9:38:28 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Captain Kirk
“What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media w as definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!”

General Vo Nguyen Giap in his memoirs

52 posted on 09/30/2010 9:43:08 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: jongaltsr
Thanks for your service.

As the saying goes, "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".

53 posted on 09/30/2010 9:56:53 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Palter; Squantos; ridgerunner

i don’t recall Hackworth going on about all that and your guys’s site may have a foot in accuracy

but on that same site he describes Platoon as a great war movie

let me tell you something.

that is the first time I have ever heard an American Combat Vet list PLATOON...that piece of filth movie directed at our a great war movie...I came of age in that era..born 1957...I still recall my shame when i realized the reaction when I asked a combat vet buddy of mine who had been capMarine in 1970 and I asked if he had seen Platoon...whew..

so I’m suspect of your link or at least the author’s intent

to his least he didn’t call Casualties of War a great movie

54 posted on 09/30/2010 9:58:47 AM PDT by wardaddy (We are on a roll like I have never seen.)
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To: WebFocus
LBJ wasn't the man for any job, except lying and deceiving.
55 posted on 09/30/2010 10:05:53 AM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: Captain Kirk
The American people don't have patience for a long foreign war like that. That is reality, at least under a democracy. It was certainly the reality during the Vietnam Era.

That was the point of this author's book - that TET did NOT destroy the US public's support for the war in Vietnam. That is the liberal fiction and narrative created afterwards.

As to Vietnam, another 3-5 years of direct US support in terms of money, equipment and airpower would have bought the south a lot of time. N.Vietnam's 1972 Easter Offensive basically failed, due to the use of US airpower. By that point, the troops on the ground were all ARVN, not US Army. By abandoning S. Vietnam in 1973, we ensured their, and our, defeat.

56 posted on 09/30/2010 10:06:27 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: WebFocus

I recall that Cronkite called Tet a defeat for the US.

Also we won the Vietnam War. That’s why everyone signed the treaties in 1973.

After the leftist Congress outlawed the use of US forces in SE Asia in 1975, the North Vietnamese rightly understood that it was time to take the South, while the US sat on its hands and watched.

57 posted on 09/30/2010 10:13:01 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: unkus

Over here...

58 posted on 09/30/2010 10:42:20 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: JDoutrider

Over here...

I hear you. Thanks.

59 posted on 09/30/2010 11:20:05 AM PDT by unkus
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To: Bigun
This quotation does not appear in General Giap's "memoirs." It is pure urban legend. See here.
60 posted on 09/30/2010 11:24:53 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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