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New Yorkers outraged as bureaucrats order city to change lettering on every single street sign
NY Daily News ^ | 9/30/2010 | ANDREW PHILLIPS & PETE DONOHUE

Posted on 09/30/2010 8:00:45 AM PDT by Qbert

The city will change the lettering on every single street sign - at an estimated cost of about $27.5 million - because the feds don't like the font.

Street names will change from all capital letters to a combination of upper and lower case on roads across the country thanks to the pricey federal regulation, officials said Wednesday.

By 2018, MADISON AVE. will become Madison Ave. and will be printed in a font called Clearview, the city Department of Transportation says.

The Federal Highway Administration says the switch will improve safety because drivers identify the words more quickly when they're displayed that way - and can sooner return their eyes to the road.

Still, several city residents were OUTRAGED.

"That's ridiculous," said James Sullivan, 34, a bike messenger from Queens. "They might as well just burn the damn money."

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The city has about 250,000 signs, and it costs about $110 to replace one, the DOT says. Officials said the new signs will have improved reflectivity and clarity for nighttime drivers.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: democrats; newyork; ny; wastefulspending
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$27.5 Million...

1 posted on 09/30/2010 8:00:47 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

And NYC has a budget problem why???


2 posted on 09/30/2010 8:02:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Qbert

That’s not a “font” change, that’s a capitalization change.

Still a waste of money, though. Someone must have a brother in the sign business...


3 posted on 09/30/2010 8:02:50 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Qbert

What, no Espanol? RACISTS!


4 posted on 09/30/2010 8:03:00 AM PDT by workerbee (FAIL, BABY, FAIL!)
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To: Sacajaweau

What a freakin’ waste...Where is common sense? Has it just been completely abandoned?


5 posted on 09/30/2010 8:03:32 AM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: Sacajaweau

Sounds like the sign makers and construction union to replace them have made their proper payment to government election campaigns.

Good to see them doing the proper thing for the king.


6 posted on 09/30/2010 8:03:44 AM PDT by edcoil (No "D's" for me!)
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To: Qbert

Are all of the graduates of NYC schools familiar with lower case letters?


7 posted on 09/30/2010 8:03:44 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (If not for the double standard, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: workerbee

...nope not racist...it will be illegals painting the signs


8 posted on 09/30/2010 8:04:24 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Qbert

which company is going to make the new signs? Always follow the money...


9 posted on 09/30/2010 8:04:47 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: John Semmens

(( ping ))


10 posted on 09/30/2010 8:05:35 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Qbert

Wow, talk about a total waste of money and resources. There are some people in our Government that need a serious @ss kicking behind the woodshed.

We can’t afford garbage like this. Don’t these idiots know this? The bankrupcy of America is being done deliberately. Our nation is being taken over by economic ruin vs. a war. We must stop this... I just don’t know how we can beat some sense into our elected officials. They seem to be power drunk and spend happy.

The pressure cooker is way over pressure now. It won’t be long until it pops.


11 posted on 09/30/2010 8:05:35 AM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Qbert

“The Federal Highway Administration says the switch will improve safety because drivers identify the words more quickly when they’re displayed that way - and can sooner return their eyes to the road.”

Yeh, those big capital letters are always harder to read than the small ones...???


12 posted on 09/30/2010 8:06:01 AM PDT by brktxpyr
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To: Qbert

If they want them quickly recoginzed, they should put them on little blackberry screens.


13 posted on 09/30/2010 8:06:05 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Southack

“That’s not a “font” change, that’s a capitalization change.”

It’s both.


14 posted on 09/30/2010 8:06:10 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: Dick Vomer

Spot on!


15 posted on 09/30/2010 8:06:15 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: Qbert

We did the same thing in Boone County MO. Not sure whose idea it was. They haven’t replaced them all.


16 posted on 09/30/2010 8:06:18 AM PDT by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: WAW

I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR HOW TO STOP THIS.


17 posted on 09/30/2010 8:06:30 AM PDT by tired1 (Federalize the Fed)
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To: Qbert
Actually, I was half way expecting it to be something along this order......./s.........


18 posted on 09/30/2010 8:06:56 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Contrary to liberal belief, it's the United StateS of America, not the united STATE of america.)
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To: hellinahandcart; Yehuda; firebrand

you’re gonna love this.


19 posted on 09/30/2010 8:07:34 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: Qbert

I guess they had to find jobs for all of those Census workers.


20 posted on 09/30/2010 8:07:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: Qbert

I immediately want to know who is getting the contract and to whom in government they are connected.


21 posted on 09/30/2010 8:08:37 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: Qbert

Where’s the enumerated Constitutional power to do this?


22 posted on 09/30/2010 8:08:54 AM PDT by secretagent
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To: Sacajaweau
And NYC has a budget problem why???

And the USA has a budget problem why? One answer..STUPID BIG GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE TO NO ONE! FIRE 'EM ALL!

23 posted on 09/30/2010 8:08:54 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: WAW
To speak of common sense in government is folly. Think of pretty flowers instead. Those really exist.
24 posted on 09/30/2010 8:10:10 AM PDT by TexasPatriot1 (Legalize the Constitution)
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To: jingoist13

Ping


25 posted on 09/30/2010 8:10:35 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Sacajaweau

YoU goT tO Be kIdDinG.


26 posted on 09/30/2010 8:10:52 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Qbert

Gee I can readily recognize both.


27 posted on 09/30/2010 8:12:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Qbert

They did this in Oregon, too. Waste of money.


28 posted on 09/30/2010 8:12:54 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Paine in the Neck

The article said this was the result of Federal legislation. So.... is NYC the only area affected? If so, why? If not, then the bill will be substantially higher for changing out every street sign in the country.


29 posted on 09/30/2010 8:12:54 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Qbert

Oh yes, that is a BIG improvement! /s


30 posted on 09/30/2010 8:13:28 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Pecos

“AND THEN THEY MADE THE STREET SIGNS IN MONGOLIAN! CAN YOU READ MONGOLIAN? I CAN’T READ MONGOLIAN! ONLY MONGOLIANS CAN READ MONGOLIAN!” - John Belushi


31 posted on 09/30/2010 8:14:31 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: BCR #226
And don't forget, $20 Million more for these signs...
32 posted on 09/30/2010 8:15:10 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Not just NYC. Its the front page story here in Topeka, KS today. Its a federal rule change...our local county has asked ‘what if we don’t change the signs?’. Nobody knows the answer yet...probably some sort of fed funding will be withheld.


33 posted on 09/30/2010 8:15:29 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Qbert
The Federal Highway Administration says the switch will improve safety because drivers identify the words more quickly when they're displayed that way - and can sooner return their eyes to the road.

Total Balderdash - the bigger the lettering, the easier to spot it and read it. Note even on the example photos in post #1 that the lowercased "y" character forces the entire word to be written in a smaller size.

34 posted on 09/30/2010 8:15:37 AM PDT by alancarp (Please don't tell Obama what comes after "trillion")
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To: Qbert

"This font on your street signs displeases us. Change it immediately, and send me some cake!"
35 posted on 09/30/2010 8:15:37 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: kcvl

This is an example of an even larger problem. The city should just say no, the Feds have no authority over them, NYC streets are not federal highways so they should just give them the middle finger.


36 posted on 09/30/2010 8:16:05 AM PDT by marlon ("They talk about me like a dog" Barack Obama)
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To: Qbert
An old joke:

One man was lamenting to another that the federal government was spending millions of dollars to raise all the highway signs to meet mandated height standards.

The other responded: we're lucky they didn't decide they had to lower the highway instead.

37 posted on 09/30/2010 8:16:10 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Qbert
in a font called Clearview

For maximum legibility in the inner city shouldn't the font be Graffiti?

38 posted on 09/30/2010 8:16:39 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: Qbert

what does the federal government have to do with municipal street signs?


39 posted on 09/30/2010 8:17:02 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Qbert
IT SCARES ME WHEN THE ROAD SIGNS SHOUT AT ME WITH ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!! < /sarc>

I saw somewhere else that the Feds are also changing the signs' reflectivity requirements and only one company makes the material which meets the new standards. Ka-ching! (sorry, I don't know the exact location where I saw that)

40 posted on 09/30/2010 8:17:03 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! Oot piffoo blaboo...)
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To: Qbert

what does the federal government have to do with municipal street signs?


41 posted on 09/30/2010 8:17:07 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Qbert

The 864 page Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways will tell you all about the new federal regulations for signs. You can download the 27.18MB version from the Federal Highway Administration. Our government does things that would embarass the most hard-core communist bureaucrat.


42 posted on 09/30/2010 8:17:14 AM PDT by hometoroost (Somewhere a community is missing its cruise director)
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To: Pecos
is NYC the only area affected? If so, why?

I don't think so. The new highway signs in Illinois also use the clearview typeface. The most noticeable change is the lower case letter l ("el") which has a slight curve to it.
43 posted on 09/30/2010 8:18:10 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Paine in the Neck

BINDO!!!

also,

how many will be renamed? see Victory Mosque Way.


44 posted on 09/30/2010 8:18:19 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Qbert

These are goofy things that I doubt could ever stand up to a cost/benefit analysis. Though a mix of upper and lower case letters is generally considered to be more readable, it is unlikely that there are a substantial amount of accident reports that cite “inattentiveness due to signage lettering case confusion” as contributing factors. NYC doesn’t have the money. And even if it did, this would be a ridiculous thing on which to waste it.


45 posted on 09/30/2010 8:19:26 AM PDT by BWDog
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To: Qbert

Font and capitalization does greatly impact readability, especially something that needs to be read quickly as you’re driving by. In general, all-caps sucks. However, why is this such a priority in a time of budget constraints?


46 posted on 09/30/2010 8:19:38 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Qbert

What did the old sign say? I couldn’t read it.


47 posted on 09/30/2010 8:20:11 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Note to Leftists- We Will Bury You (politically)
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To: Qbert

Love to know who’s brother-in-law...or SEIU connected business nailed that contract!!!


48 posted on 09/30/2010 8:20:25 AM PDT by mo
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To: brktxpyr
Yeh, those big capital letters are always harder to read than the small ones...???

Yes.

49 posted on 09/30/2010 8:20:29 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Paine in the Neck

Found this article:
http://180daysinnyc.blogspot.com/2008/02/day-208-signs-signs-everywhere-theres.html


50 posted on 09/30/2010 8:21:04 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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