Skip to comments.Joe Sobran, R.I.P. [Joseph Sobran, 1946 - 2010]
Posted on 09/30/2010 7:54:18 PM PDT by Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo
Our former NR colleague, Joe Sobran, passed away today after a long battle with a variety of ailments. He was relatively young, just 64, and while physically beaten at the end, he also departed spiritually triumphant.
Surely, in short order, there will be ample reflection much of it critical on the hyper-talented, hyper-controversial writer. There will be a recounting of his history at NR, the break, the following years, and Joes soured relationship with WFB (happily, they rekindled their friendship before Bill passed away). Good, lets discuss all that, and more. But later. Right now, let us, if only for a minute, pray for the repose of his soul, to hope: That he abides now with his old boss, and they together with our Creator. For the peace that proved so elusive in this lifetime, Joe, may you now have it.
After tens of millions of "procedures," has America lost anything? Another Edison, perhaps? A Gershwin? A Babe Ruth? A Duke Ellington? Nobody looks like a genius in the womb, but if this "right" had existed earlier, we might all be whistling in the dark, with fewer tunes to whistle. As it is, we will never know what abortion has cost us all.
You will be missed.
Wonderful, brilliant man. He was unfairly pilloried at the end of his life. Likely drove him to an early grave.
Very weird...I thought about Sobran a couple days ago, wondering whatever happened to him.
RIP, Mr. Sobran.
A fine writer and an even greater man. I will miss him.
A dead Anti-Semite.
As we say in the Christian East: Memory Eternal! Memory Eternal! Memory Eternal!
That was mean and untrue to boot
He also became closely involved with neo-Nazi David Irving, leading to his firing from National Review. It was indeed a tragic shame that he departed from William F. Buckley/Ronald Reagan conservatism into racism and anti-semitism. May God forgive him.
That is what I remember.
Disagreeing with Bill Buckley is no mortal sin...heck, his own son voted for the baby-murdering Obama...and as I recall, Jonah Goldberg and Ann Coulter don’t see eye to eye on political philosophy either
Getting fired from NR, especially in the latter days doesn’t say much.
He gave the single best explanation of the workings of the left I have ever seen:
(Sound of purring shutting down in his memory.)
I know little about Joe Sobran, but I suspect that nonstatist meant that Sobran at least once said something critical about Jews without retraction. That’s the current threshold for “anti-semitism.”
Agree...and I wonder who accused him...Abe Foxman?
You read the Gospel of John...especially Chapter 8..Jesus calls collectively “the Jews” (that is the ones who rejected him) “children of the Devil,” and says their reliance on pedigree with Abraham is meaningless and their revolutionary approach is misguided....
E. Michael Jones writes extensively about this...Christ is the dividing point in History.
BTW, Judas was a revolutionary ...note what happened to him
What? Wow... I had no idea.
A terrible loss.
I’ve never read anything of the sort from Sobran. Can you point me to some of this material?
So why dont you shut your mouth until you do? He has/had his own web site filled with his bile.
Besides being accused by William Buckley of being an anti-Semite and being fired from NR, he also argued that the 9/11 attacks were a result of the U.S. government's policies regarding the Middle East. He claimed those policies were formed by the Jewish-Zionist powers that rule in the United States .
He was a vile, crooked paleo who went nuts somewhere along the line. God have mercy.
He gave the single best explanation of the workings of the left I have ever seen...the hive.
I just read it. Wow. An outstanding analysis. He sure has a way with words. I doubt even Buckley could do as good. Losing him is a great loss.
Just read John 8 first....
A brilliant man. I wish they could clone his brain.
May he rest in peace with the angels and the saints.
Abe ? (Foxman) ...is that you?
Ping for later
Stormfront is down the road, Spike. Why don’t you take a hike?
Joe’s death is a great loss.
Now, the only paleo we have left is Pat Buchanan.
Good retort...... I remember Sobran as an anti-Semite. I might have agreed with him on other matters but it has been a while
All young FReepers should read this. It is quintessential Sobran, and it so clearly portrays the Obama Regime.
IMO, Sobran jumped the shark about 20 years ago. Prior to that I enjoyed his work, especially in National Review. After that, not so much.
I think he has who Christ spoke to incomplete...it was the Jewish leadership...the religious leaders...the same could be said of many religious leaders thru the centuries even til today. They demand their memberships to do what they themsleves do not....and yes there are men and now woman in the pulpits who could easily be said are :children of the deveil”...so what’s that guys beef really?
He was one of my favorite political authors. Huge loss. RIP.
He was one of my favorite political authors. Huge loss. RIP.
You can hear them sharpening the long knives to go after Joe, even though he just got done dying! He may have been wrong on some Israel-related issues, but he was no anti-Semite and no racist.
I remember a great Sobran column from c. 1986 (plus or minus a couple of years.) I don’t have it with me, but I remember it so well that I can almost quote it. So here is the paraphrase:
***A funny thing happened to the World Council of Churches delegation to the Soviet Union. They ran into some Christians. You can’t blame them. [They stuck to the official Soviet religious agents’ plans.] At one church they unfurled a banner, “We are a persecuted Church,” and were whisked away...***
RIP to a brilliant, if controversial mind.
I often wondered if, in his later years, he might have been plagued with Alzheimer’s. The change in him was not subtle.
So many brilliant people are lost to Alzheimer’s in their last years.
I first learned of Joseph Sobran by reading his columns in The Conservative Chronicle. That publication, along with National Review and the American Spectator which Rush Limbaugh promoted, was instrumental in my growth as a conservative.
Although I doubt you’ll do so, why not tell us what Joe Sobran did or said to qualify as “anti-semitic.” No doubt it was vile, unforgivable and utterly despicable.
Let’s hear what it was.
You can take a look at my link at post 24 and then migrate over to his website. The fact that you admit to knowing nothing about the guy but still insist on making value judgements is kind of sad.
Let the Oxfordian rot! I think we should now begin an examination into the question of the authorship of the "Sobran" articles. In fact, I very much doubt there ever was a "Sobran". I detect conspiracy!
Where few dare to tread. "Honest Abe" was the original corporate RINO, the archetypal Republican, who made his name doing eminent domain deals for barge companies and railroads at the expense of small landowners. I can only imagine what "just compensation" constituted back then.