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Joe Sobran, R.I.P. [Joseph Sobran, 1946 - 2010]

Posted on 09/30/2010 7:54:18 PM PDT by Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

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Sobran catalogued most of his work at sobran.com.
 
He was an expert on, among other things, the Shakespeare authorship question and Abraham Lincoln's anti-constitutionalism.
1 posted on 09/30/2010 7:54:19 PM PDT by Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

RIP


2 posted on 09/30/2010 7:55:56 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo
Oops - sorry - here is the link to the announcement at National Review.
 
Also, here is Sobran's Wikipedia page.
3 posted on 09/30/2010 7:57:12 PM PDT by Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo
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He had one of my favorite pro-life quotes:

After tens of millions of "procedures," has America lost anything? Another Edison, perhaps? A Gershwin? A Babe Ruth? A Duke Ellington? Nobody looks like a genius in the womb, but if this "right" had existed earlier, we might all be whistling in the dark, with fewer tunes to whistle. As it is, we will never know what abortion has cost us all.

4 posted on 09/30/2010 7:59:20 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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R.I.P., Joe.

You will be missed.


5 posted on 09/30/2010 8:00:26 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

Wonderful, brilliant man. He was unfairly pilloried at the end of his life. Likely drove him to an early grave.


6 posted on 09/30/2010 8:00:29 PM PDT by hampdenkid
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Very weird...I thought about Sobran a couple days ago, wondering whatever happened to him.

RIP, Mr. Sobran.


7 posted on 09/30/2010 8:04:26 PM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

A fine writer and an even greater man. I will miss him.


8 posted on 09/30/2010 8:04:26 PM PDT by Klondike
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A dead Anti-Semite.


9 posted on 09/30/2010 8:05:42 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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I found myself in disagreement with him much of the time in the last few years. But I hope he is at peace.
10 posted on 09/30/2010 8:12:03 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

RIP.


11 posted on 09/30/2010 8:12:55 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

As we say in the Christian East: Memory Eternal! Memory Eternal! Memory Eternal!


12 posted on 09/30/2010 8:14:43 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Nonstatist

That was mean and untrue to boot


13 posted on 09/30/2010 8:16:45 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo
He was an expert on, among other things... Abraham Lincoln's anti-constitutionalism.

He also became closely involved with neo-Nazi David Irving, leading to his firing from National Review. It was indeed a tragic shame that he departed from William F. Buckley/Ronald Reagan conservatism into racism and anti-semitism. May God forgive him.

14 posted on 09/30/2010 8:21:24 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Nonstatist

That is what I remember.


15 posted on 09/30/2010 8:23:44 PM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: iowamark

Disagreeing with Bill Buckley is no mortal sin...heck, his own son voted for the baby-murdering Obama...and as I recall, Jonah Goldberg and Ann Coulter don’t see eye to eye on political philosophy either

Getting fired from NR, especially in the latter days doesn’t say much.


16 posted on 09/30/2010 8:24:40 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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RIP Joe.

He gave the single best explanation of the workings of the left I have ever seen:

The Hive

(Sound of purring shutting down in his memory.)

18 posted on 09/30/2010 8:37:03 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

Memory Eternal.


19 posted on 09/30/2010 8:39:08 PM PDT by constitutiongirl ("Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."---Leo Tolstoy)
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To: freedomrings69

I know little about Joe Sobran, but I suspect that nonstatist meant that Sobran at least once said something critical about Jews without retraction. That’s the current threshold for “anti-semitism.”


20 posted on 09/30/2010 8:39:26 PM PDT by ruination
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To: ruination

Agree...and I wonder who accused him...Abe Foxman?

You read the Gospel of John...especially Chapter 8..Jesus calls collectively “the Jews” (that is the ones who rejected him) “children of the Devil,” and says their reliance on pedigree with Abraham is meaningless and their revolutionary approach is misguided....

E. Michael Jones writes extensively about this...Christ is the dividing point in History.

BTW, Judas was a revolutionary ...note what happened to him


21 posted on 09/30/2010 8:49:32 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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What? Wow... I had no idea.

A terrible loss.


22 posted on 09/30/2010 8:51:54 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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I’ve never read anything of the sort from Sobran. Can you point me to some of this material?


23 posted on 09/30/2010 8:54:35 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: ruination
I know little about Joe Sobran

So why dont you shut your mouth until you do? He has/had his own web site filled with his bile.

Besides being accused by William Buckley of being an anti-Semite and being fired from NR, he also argued that the 9/11 attacks were a result of the U.S. government's policies regarding the Middle East. He claimed those policies were formed by the Jewish-Zionist powers that rule in the United States .

He was a vile, crooked paleo who went nuts somewhere along the line. God have mercy.

24 posted on 09/30/2010 9:02:10 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Tribemike1
You read the Gospel of John...especially Chapter 8..Jesus calls collectively “the Jews” (that is the ones who rejected him) “children of the Devil,” and says their reliance on pedigree with Abraham is meaningless and their revolutionary approach is misguided....

What bile. What tripe. Read Romans 9 and repent.
25 posted on 09/30/2010 9:07:59 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: grey_whiskers

He gave the single best explanation of the workings of the left I have ever seen...the hive.

I just read it. Wow. An outstanding analysis. He sure has a way with words. I doubt even Buckley could do as good. Losing him is a great loss.


26 posted on 09/30/2010 9:11:39 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Tzfat

Just read John 8 first....


27 posted on 09/30/2010 9:12:56 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo

A brilliant man. I wish they could clone his brain.

May he rest in peace with the angels and the saints.


28 posted on 09/30/2010 9:14:18 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: Tzfat

Abe ? (Foxman) ...is that you?


29 posted on 09/30/2010 9:16:59 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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Ping for later


30 posted on 09/30/2010 9:20:30 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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I met him (along with John Lott and David Horowitz) at a College Republicans' meeting at the University of Chicago back in the late 1990's. This would have put him in his early 50's then. I remember how surprised I was at how frail he appeared. He seemed way older then than his actual years.
31 posted on 09/30/2010 9:23:53 PM PDT by aruanan
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Sobran didn't get fired in the "latter days" of National Review. He was fired 17 years ago. He was also consistently wrong about the authorship of Shakespeare's plays, which were written by William Shakespeare.
32 posted on 09/30/2010 9:26:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.")
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To: Tribemike1

Stormfront is down the road, Spike. Why don’t you take a hike?


33 posted on 09/30/2010 9:27:01 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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Joe’s death is a great loss.

Now, the only paleo we have left is Pat Buchanan.


34 posted on 09/30/2010 9:27:03 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: Nonstatist

Good retort...... I remember Sobran as an anti-Semite. I might have agreed with him on other matters but it has been a while


35 posted on 09/30/2010 9:30:52 PM PDT by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confuscius.)
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To: grey_whiskers

All young FReepers should read this. It is quintessential Sobran, and it so clearly portrays the Obama Regime.


36 posted on 09/30/2010 9:33:19 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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IMO, Sobran jumped the shark about 20 years ago. Prior to that I enjoyed his work, especially in National Review. After that, not so much.


37 posted on 09/30/2010 9:43:15 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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May he requiescat in pace.

38 posted on 09/30/2010 9:44:02 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Tzfat

I think he has who Christ spoke to incomplete...it was the Jewish leadership...the religious leaders...the same could be said of many religious leaders thru the centuries even til today. They demand their memberships to do what they themsleves do not....and yes there are men and now woman in the pulpits who could easily be said are :children of the deveil”...so what’s that guys beef really?


39 posted on 09/30/2010 9:44:09 PM PDT by caww
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He was one of my favorite political authors. Huge loss. RIP.


40 posted on 09/30/2010 9:56:48 PM PDT by Scutter
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He was one of my favorite political authors. Huge loss. RIP.


41 posted on 09/30/2010 9:56:48 PM PDT by Scutter
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You can hear them sharpening the long knives to go after Joe, even though he just got done dying! He may have been wrong on some Israel-related issues, but he was no anti-Semite and no racist.

I remember a great Sobran column from c. 1986 (plus or minus a couple of years.) I don’t have it with me, but I remember it so well that I can almost quote it. So here is the paraphrase:

***A funny thing happened to the World Council of Churches delegation to the Soviet Union. They ran into some Christians. You can’t blame them. [They stuck to the official Soviet religious agents’ plans.] At one church they unfurled a banner, “We are a persecuted Church,” and were whisked away...***


42 posted on 09/30/2010 10:06:46 PM PDT by guitarist
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RIP to a brilliant, if controversial mind.


43 posted on 09/30/2010 10:14:14 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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I often wondered if, in his later years, he might have been plagued with Alzheimer’s. The change in him was not subtle.
So many brilliant people are lost to Alzheimer’s in their last years.


44 posted on 09/30/2010 10:15:42 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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bttt


45 posted on 09/30/2010 10:16:41 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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I first learned of Joseph Sobran by reading his columns in The Conservative Chronicle. That publication, along with National Review and the American Spectator which Rush Limbaugh promoted, was instrumental in my growth as a conservative.


46 posted on 09/30/2010 10:21:22 PM PDT by upsdriver (The revolution begins on Nov. 2 to take back our country. The American people vs the ruling elite.)
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Although I doubt you’ll do so, why not tell us what Joe Sobran did or said to qualify as “anti-semitic.” No doubt it was vile, unforgivable and utterly despicable.

Let’s hear what it was.


47 posted on 09/30/2010 10:21:26 PM PDT by ruination
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You can take a look at my link at post 24 and then migrate over to his website. The fact that you admit to knowing nothing about the guy but still insist on making value judgements is kind of sad.


48 posted on 09/30/2010 10:33:51 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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He was an expert on, among other things, the Shakespeare authorship question

Let the Oxfordian rot! I think we should now begin an examination into the question of the authorship of the "Sobran" articles. In fact, I very much doubt there ever was a "Sobran". I detect conspiracy!

49 posted on 09/30/2010 10:38:25 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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Abraham Lincoln's anti-constitutionalism

Where few dare to tread. "Honest Abe" was the original corporate RINO, the archetypal Republican, who made his name doing eminent domain deals for barge companies and railroads at the expense of small landowners. I can only imagine what "just compensation" constituted back then.

50 posted on 09/30/2010 10:38:35 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Managing "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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