Mind your step...
Posted on 10/02/2010 4:36:35 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
Don't know if it's true, but various sites are reporting that Lakin and his counsel, Paul Jensen, may be parting ways and Lakin may be acquiring an experienced military law counsel
If that is true, better late than never. If nothing else, it could pay dividends in the sentencing phase.
The Colonel’s sentence was fixed on the day he was formally charged.Count on it!
Hope it’s true. LTC Lakin needs excellent military counsel as well as our prayers.
He isn’t following any military orders, is he?
He’s believe that he’s already got military counsel assigned. It’s automatic.
Sentence first, verdit afterwards?
Mind your step...
That’s right. I was talking about a civilian counsel experienced in military affairs.
Perhaps I should have been more specific...the Colonel's verdict *and* sentence were fixed on the day he was formally charged.Anyone who thinks otherwise simply doesn't have the first clue what our Community-Organizer-in-Chief (and his cronies...civilian *and* military) are all about.
The Col. is not guilty!
Tired CON is a troll.
Yeah, he is. He's never denied it.
Yes, full of turd trolls.
The verdict was almost certain the moment Lakin disobeyed his orders. The sentence is undetermined. To believe otherwise is to not understand the US military.
>>The verdict was almost certain the moment Lakin disobeyed his orders.<<
My question now is, will a majority of Republicans in Congress and the Senate change the outcome? In my mind the whole mood could change.
Jensen filed an interloctury appeal on behalf of LTC Lakin 6 days ago and the Obots are dancing in the streets because Safeguardourconstitution.org website is down.
Obots are in trouble and they know it.
When was the trial?
To be honest, I read Jensen's filing and compared it to the statutory threshold he has to meet. I think it has pretty much zero chance of being granted.
Part of the problem is I don't think Jensen really knows what he's doing in a military law environment. His briefs evidence basic competence in making a filing, which puts him one up on others not to be named, but his frustration as to why he's not getting anywhere seems pretty revealing. I think it can only be a positive for Lakin to get a civilian on his team who actually understands military law and can work with his military attorney.
Given that you're "retired military" and my *very* ordinary Army "career" lasted 6 years you've got me trumped.And...I never had *any* contact with the UCMJ either as a duty assignment,as a juror,or as the accused and if the same is true with you then we're both flying blind here,IMO.
But just think of the importance of this case.If the Colonel prevails in this case the shockwaves would very probably drive Hussein from office.It would create a Constitutional crisis the likes of which we havn't seen for many years..if ever.
There's no way that I'll ever believe that this case wasn't considered,in detail,at the very highest levels before charges were issued.I would expect nothing less from Hussein The Miraculous.
The trial is delayed until 4 November. The Defense appealed to a higher court to order the biased judge to vacate her ruling that does not let discovery of Obama's hidden records, and the Defense asked the higher court put a hold on all court proceedings until the higher court makes a decision on the Writ of Mandamus.
And I think you’re make’n stuff up because you know the appeals court is going to drop the hammer on Col Lind for not allowing a defendant to properly defend himself.
How does a defendant fire his attorney of record during the middle of a trial without first obtaining the courts permission?
“But just think of the importance of this case.If the Colonel prevails in this case the shockwaves would very probably drive Hussein from office.It would create a Constitutional crisis the likes of which we havn’t seen for many years..if ever.”
Which is precisely why the defendant is toast, whatever merits his defense might have.
Lon Horiuchi is a free man.
Malik Zulu Shabass is a free man.
‘Scooter Libby’ is a convicted felon.
Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos are convicted felons.
Show trials are not just for soviets. Larkin will be convicted.
Yes, I notice that the leftist trollies are really worried about the Lakin case, wonder why? The gather like a cloud of blow flies on every Lakin thread. Their maggots wriggle about helplessly as we roast them and feed them to their mothers back in the Holder DOJ and the pinko subway.
The charges were carefully drawn up to put Lakin in the least defensible position. I’ve only been on one court martial board, and it was just for sentencing of a low level enlisted caught using cocaine & stealing from his squadron mates (FWIW, we all considered the stealing more offensive than the drug use...19 and stupid isn’t as bad as 19 and stealing from your friends). But I think the sentencing of Lakin will be light. He isn’t your common deserter or protester.
For those that are cynical, the harsher the sentence, the worse Obama looks...but I think the sentencing phase will be like the one I did - we just wanted to get it right, and I think that will happen again. I think his arguments about WHY he missed will be discussed during the sentencing phase and the Board will end his career and not much else.
That prediction isn’t worth the price of a cup of coffee, but the large majority of officers I met would try very hard to do the right thing if they ended up on a board like this. And improper command influence would be far more dangerous to the higher ups than just letting things fall as they might.
What was that old chestnut about flak and targets again?
I'm sorry, but I can't help you with your delusions about me. I have been honest and consistent in my estimation of Lakin’s legal situation, and have seen that estimation substantiated in every ruling to date. This thread simply noted that I believe it is a positive for Lakin to acquire appropriately experienced civilian counsel. I believe that estimation will be substantiated by events as well if the rumors are in fact true.
Yes.
I'm sure the same folks who want to control what kind of lightbulbs we use, how much water our toilets flush and whether we can get toys with our Happy Meals will have no trouble avoiding interfering in this particular case, aren't you?
It was the same with the Orly Taitz threads. Every operative they could get out of the Holder DOJ was on those threads,to demoralize their political opponents. It backfired. Now 60% of America believes Obama is foreign born. amd that will drive this election on Nov. 2nd, and it will eventually destroy the Obama pretend presidency.
It will be the same with the trollification of the threads on the Lakin case. It will simply convince many more Americans that Obama is not one of us and needs to go.
Congress isn’t in charge of the court martial. The military officer who is knows NOTHING could hurt him as much as being found to have exhibited undue influence.
Nor does he need to. No one denies Lakin missed the movement. When the Appeals court comes back and says the judge acted properly in denying the birth certificate - which she did - then Lakin’s best bet is to plead guilty and concentrate on explaining his actions in the sentencing phase.
That was one of the best comments I have ever seen on FR. Repeating for posterity:
Yes, I notice that the leftist trollies are really worried about the Lakin case, wonder why? The gather like a cloud of blow flies on every Lakin thread. Their maggots wriggle about helplessly as we roast them and feed them to their mothers back in the Holder DOJ and the pinko subway.
The more the trolls here show their ass,the more we win and they lose. The nation is fed up with liberalism/marxist leaders and will not stand for it.
Wishing that the San Francisco city council would pass an ordinance to interfere with a private business just you you won’t be forced to occasionally clean out your own back seat doesn’t sound like a particularly conservative stance to me.
Are you on the correct forum?
It’s called a joke. Familiarizing yourself with the concept makes life less difficult, so do give it a try.
Ah yes, the invisible </sarc> tag...
I’ve noticed that “ruling class” folks have a hard time telling jokes to “country class” folks and visa versa.
Knock! Knock!
Who’s there?
Kenyashomiwen.
Kenyashomiwen who???
Can ya show me when Barrack Hussien Obama’s dad became a US citizen?
The Benedict Arnolds, and they know well who they are, have found F.R. as a place to do DOJ Holder’s “dirty” laundry, and using “tear” GAAAAS!!!
No, you are a troll.
So where are the rest of the active duty who know full well they are following orders from a usurping foreign traitor?
Opinion masquerading as fact. Your posts are one continual joke.
Obama is not a natural born citizen. A fact.
Even guys with mush for brains know little mlo trolls.
And it has come to light that the Democrat Party never certified Obama "under the provisions of the United States Constitution." They left those very words out when all the past presidents had those words included in their certifying documents.
They knew Obama wasn't Constitutionally qualified.
If anything, Lakin could use it as evidence as that certification is an official U.S. government document.
For sure. But they are up against us which means they will automatically lose.There is just something about ...begin “right”.
“And it has come to light that the Democrat Party never certified Obama “under the provisions of the United States Constitution.” They left those very words out when all the past presidents had those words included in their certifying documents.”
Didn’t Nanzi sign 2 documents of certification: 1 “under Law” and 1 under “the Constitution”? I should think the two documents would necessarily create a legal fiction/ambiguity of some sort, but I’m not a lawyer. The presupposition of “law” requires definition.
Anyway, I think Lakin has a ‘habeus corpus’ type of show me the certificate standing. It is worth his or any officer’s life, since the absence of it may and has cost a whole bunch of military....and US Citizens of all ages.....ours.
We are a Constitutional Republic that is led by a President. If there is not a legal president at the head of the Republic , the Rupublic does not exist. The Col. has a very valid point, if obama is not the legal President ( he is not) he is not in violation of the military code. The court has no authority to convict the Col. as the evidence shows obama is not the legal President of the United States.
We are a Constitutional Republic that is led by a President. If there is not a legal president at the head of the Republic , the Rupublic does not exist. The Col. has a very valid point, if obama is not the legal President ( he is not) he is not in violation of the military code. The court has no authority to convict the Col. as the evidence shows obama is not the legal President of the United States.
We are a Constitutional Republic that is led by a President. If there is not a legal president at the head of the Republic , the Rupublic does not exist. The Col. has a very valid point, if obama is not the legal President ( he is not) he is not in violation of the military code. The court has no authority to convict the Col. as the evidence shows obama is not the legal President of the United States.
To date there has been no such ruling and such a ruling is certainly not going to come from the Court Martial of a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army who refused to get on a plane and fly from Balitimore, Maryland to Charlotte, North Carolina and who then refused two orders to show up at his direct superior officers’ offices to explain why he didn’t get on that plane.
Didn’t Nanzi sign 2 documents of certification: 1 “under Law” and 1 under “the Constitution”? I should think the two documents would necessarily create a legal fiction/ambiguity of some sort, but I’m not a lawyer. The presupposition of “law” requires definition.
Anyway, I think Lakin has a ‘habeus corpus’ type of show me the certificate standing. It is worth his or any officer’s life, since the absence of it may and has cost a whole bunch of military....and US Citizens of all ages.....ours.
Governor Linda Lingle: “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go and personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was in fact born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawai’i. And that’s just a fact. And yet people call up and email and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. It’s been established, he was born here.”
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