Skip to comments.Waitrose forced to ditch halal lamb from Prince of Wales' Duchy range
Posted on 10/03/2010 7:11:26 PM PDT by george76
Waitrose is to introduce a range of non-halal lamb products as a response to customers concerns about its meat supplies.
Until now, all lamb sold by the store has been slaughtered in accordance with Islamic law, with a Muslim reciting a prayer in Arabic over the meat.
But Waitrose said last night that, from now on, organic Welsh lamb from its Duchy Originals range established by Prince Charles to market produce from his estates will no longer be halal.
Waitrose said they made their decision in order to give customers more choice. But their reversal of policy comes a week after The Mail on Sunday revealed how most British supermarkets were secretly selling halal meat especially lamb without telling customers.
The investigation found that most New Zealand lamb sold in major British supermarkets was halal, meaning that the prayer In the name of Allah, who is the greatest is said at the time of slaughter. Stores selling lamb slaughtered according to Islamic law included Waitrose, Marks & Spencer, Tesco and Sainsburys.
Patricia Dunton, 67, from Totteridge, North London, said she had been shopping in Waitrose for more than 30 years. Speaking before the Waitrose announcement, she said: As a devout Christian, I wont buy Duchy Originals lamb ever again, and I wont buy lamb from Waitrose.I dont like the fact that an Islamic prayer has been said over it. It should have been labelled so that I know what I am buying.
A Morrisons spokeswoman said: All our fresh meat is 100 per cent British and non-halal. Only our frozen New Zealand lamb is halal.
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We had a thread here on FR where a Kosher butcher said that when properly done (razor sharp knife, smooth draw across the throat, and avoiding having the point of the knife touch the animal) the animal would bleed out with no signs of distress, indeed, it wouldn't stop chewing a mouthful of grain as it died.
That doesn't sound even vaguely like an "agonal processes" to me.
Buying Halal meat means you employ more Muslims and Muslim businesses rake in more profits. In today’s zero sum economy employing Muslim butchers means non-Muslims lose jobs
OK, I really did try to wade through that. Couldn’t make heads or tails of it.
Sorry you have reading comprehension difficulties. It is rather simple to me, but I am a Protestant! I actually think Paul was God's chosen head of the church and our greatest influence to be followers of Christ, not a human leader or pretentious "father"!!!
Romans 3: 19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. -NIV
OK, I think I understand that, but I fail to see where or how it answers the question of whether eating meat dedicated to a pagan god, Satan or allah is forbidden or allowed.
Please be patient with me, I’m an agnostic.
It would be better to not indulge in silly superstitions. Meat is meat. No amount of praying over it is going to change it physically or in any other manner. As long as hygiene and a swift, modern means of slaughter is employed, it should be fine. Maybe a label for indicating that such guidelines have been followed, would do.
Many people are "religious", with pious action and stance, but have lost their soul! Your ambivalence (agnosticism) is a rejection, is it not?
Many persons cover a spirit of envy and uncharitableness with the name of godly zeal and tender concern for the salvation of others; they find fault with all; their spirit is a spirit of universal censoriousness; none can please them; and every one suffers by them. These destroy more souls by tithing mint and cummin, than others do by neglecting the weightier matters of the law. Such persons have what is termed, and very properly too, sour godliness. (Clarke)
Perhaps, assuming there is a capital G God.
I note that the simple question: "Is eating meat dedicated to a pagan god, Satan or allah is forbidden or allowed?" still wants an answer.
There is only one God, therefore, (according to Scripture) it is NOT forbidden. It has already been stated in previous posts, but I guess you prefer to have an individual response.
God loves YOU enough that HE died for you. Believe it, or not!
Sooooo, your saying that when God says Thou shall have no other gods before Me, he’s wasting his breath, because there aren’t any other gods to have before him?
You can surmise anything you wish, but it is apparent you are not seeking God! You simply have a few ideas you wish to discuss, and I don't wish to take this tact!
Have a nice life. If you wish to seek God, don't tackle such simple questions...
Next time I go to Waitrose, I am switching labels on the arab meat and the pork.
It’s the internal inconsistencies in every belief system that I’ve explored that keep me from accepting any of them.
You’ve got a big one in yours. I really can’t do the mental gymnastics to assert that there are no other Gods but one in one breath, and say that that self-same God forbids the worship of the lesser gods in the next.
I envy your ability to accept. Your faith gives you a far easier go of it. Trust me on this one.
Thanks. Always good to have a sanity check on what I’ve heard.
The FReeper who reported the painless/stressless slaughter was doing it in onesy-twosy increments on the farm where the animals were raised. Probably a zillion times less stressful and alarming than industrial scale processing.
Had to look up Temple Grandin, I must agree with her that using the animals own instincts and proclivities has to be “better” than forcing them at electrode point into doing scores of stressful things before their demise.
Bad enough we kill ‘em, the least we can do is avoid unnecessary cruelty in sending them on their journey into the final darkness.
I only eat Halal ham. No exceptions. The phrase “Mohammad was a pedophile in Big Gay Allah’s bathhouse in the sky” must be uttered upon its slaughter.
I loved the HBO movie that won Claire Danes an Emmy!
You try so hard to sound reasonable, yet you kick dirt as if you are innocent. Your attempts are indeed beneath retort! Faith is all it takes...
There is nothing big about this statement. God is God. All other gods are depictions and poseurs. If you accept the basic idea that God exists, then the rest is downhill! There can be no other reasonable explanation for the existence of what you see and touch daily. Big bang allegedlystarted it, but there had to be something to start. God spoke! I believe it enough to go to sleep each night.
Have a nice life, FRiend, and try to engage somebody that will play your games! I will not follow up!
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