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Eye-popping power grab: Licensing of U.S. colleges
WND ^ | October 4, 2010

Posted on 10/04/2010 8:14:56 AM PDT by La Lydia

President Obama's Department of Education, where Secretary Arne Duncan appointed a longtime homosexual activist...now is proposing to force colleges and universities to submit to a political agenda, according to critics. Under the proposed federal rule change, institutions of higher education "would be required to have a document of state approval … to operate an educational program, including programs leading to a degree or certificate," explained an analysis by Shapri D. LoMaglio for the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities.

"I think it is the greatest threat to academic freedom in our lifetime," former Sen. Bill Armstrong, now president of Colorado Christian University, told WND. "But only if you love liberty."

Armstrong is so alarmed over the proposal identified by the federal agency as a rule change regarding "Program Integrity Issues" that he's joined with another former Colorado senator and higher education leader, Hank Brown, in writing a commentary on the subject. Brown was president of the University of Northern Colorado and the University of Colorado...

Armstrong is encouraging members of Congress to look into the measure, since as a proposed "regulation" change, most lawmakers probably haven't even heard of it...

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; orwell; totalitarian
It's not like Leftists don't have enough sway on college campuses as it is. And why does this matter: NO STUDENT LOANS FOR STUDENTS AT UNACCREDITED INSTITUTIONS.
1 posted on 10/04/2010 8:14:59 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

While I wouldn’t put it past them this is from world nut daily and I take anything they say with a bit more than grain of salt.


2 posted on 10/04/2010 8:16:49 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: La Lydia

I guess the wall of seperation of church and State only exists on one side.


3 posted on 10/04/2010 8:17:50 AM PDT by AU72
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To: La Lydia

The left destroyed the public school system, now they are coming after the colleges.


4 posted on 10/04/2010 8:18:13 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

They LONG AGO seized the colleges. This is aimed at tightening their grip.


5 posted on 10/04/2010 8:20:47 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

The Obama regime is simply making it so that you can’t study engineering or health care at universities. You’ll be told what you’re studying when you complete orientation, you’ll be subsidized for classes related to your assigned field and forced to pay for those that aren’t. Want to take American History as an elective? Pay up! Oh, but you were assigned to Gender Studies? Well you can take that “How to use a prophylactic” elective, and we’ll pay you for it!

/majorSarcasmOff


6 posted on 10/04/2010 8:22:09 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: utherdoul

Except that Bill Armstrong and Cal Thomas aren’t nuts.


7 posted on 10/04/2010 8:23:20 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
I thought colleges and universities had already ceded a lot of their autonomy to accrediting bodies.

For some programs of study that may not be applicable, but for mine (engineering) it makes almost no sense for a student to go to an unaccredited school.

8 posted on 10/04/2010 8:30:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Alberta's Child

But the federal government does not control of the accrediting bodies. And yes, it makes no sense for a student to go to an unaccredited school, which is another reason for this federal power grab.


9 posted on 10/04/2010 8:34:51 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: utherdoul

Take it with a very big grain of salt. All colleges and universities must go through an accreditation process with a regional body that is approved by the Department of Education. In order to get a new degree or program on campus,colleges have to get permission from the state in many cases. On-line programs have to get special permissions.

In other words, they are already “licensed.” Changing the requirements to get the license though...


10 posted on 10/04/2010 8:35:08 AM PDT by PrincessB ("if government X-rays are anything like the photos the DMV takes for your license, count me out" A.)
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To: La Lydia

So the Feds are after Hillsdale?


11 posted on 10/04/2010 8:35:18 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Yes.


12 posted on 10/04/2010 8:38:37 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Alberta's Child
I thought colleges and universities had already ceded a lot of their autonomy to accrediting bodies.

While that may be true, I consider the use of independent accrediting bodies to be a very different mechanism than licensing by the federal Department of Education.

An accrediting body that uses its power arbitrarily or capriciously would certainly lose its credibility with its members (and could possibly be subject to legal action). With a government bureaucracy, politics will be first and foremost in the licensing process.

13 posted on 10/04/2010 8:40:46 AM PDT by Bob
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The left destroyed the public school system, now they are coming after the colleges.

They infiltrated the universities and colleges long before, then 'educated' the people (and certified them) who have destroyed public education from within and without. Where did you think they got their credentials?

14 posted on 10/04/2010 8:41:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: La Lydia

its an attempt to sideline those that don’t indebt enough of their students to the Feds...


15 posted on 10/04/2010 8:41:46 AM PDT by mo
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To: PrincessB

What is the justification for this centralized control of the education system? It is blatantly unconstitutional. Let the consumers (students and parents on one end, employers on the other end) decide for themselves which schools to support. Government interference accomplishes absolutely nothing good in this respect - the sole intent is to deny consumers choices they could otherwise make.


16 posted on 10/04/2010 8:43:31 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lydiablievernicht)
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To: mo

It is an attempt to dictate what they may and may not teach.


17 posted on 10/04/2010 8:43:46 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Should be "Now they are coming after ALL the colleges"

They have controlled most college's in this country for years now.

They want to CONTROL them ALL now!

18 posted on 10/04/2010 8:44:55 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: La Lydia

I couldn’t find in the linked article that student loans would be denied to anyone at an unaccredited institution. However, I am absolutely sure that this will be a requirement down the road, if not right away. Taking over the student loan industry was the first step.
Progressives want control.


19 posted on 10/04/2010 8:46:53 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I had a professor who taught Terrorism. He contends that in the 1960s when the radicals failed to bring down the country, most of them went into education. Of course, he's correct.

The revolution continues...out of sight of most. Power to the people!

20 posted on 10/04/2010 8:48:12 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
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To: La Lydia
The more I hear about this crap, the more I think Hillsdale College had the right idea years ago: None of their students are allowed to finance their educational expenses with government loans. They have lined up their own set of lenders and alternative sources of financing for their students. Last I heard, the repayment rate of Hillsdale graduates was so good that institutions with money to lend were actually knocking on their doors to get into their program.

Maybe it is because Hillsdale actually educates their kids and gives them useful, marketable skills which result in real jobs. Other conservative colleges (all 62 of them) ought to look into doing something similar, maybe even under a coop arrangement.

21 posted on 10/04/2010 8:51:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: La Lydia
There is a subtle but BIG difference between being accredited and licensed by the govt.

All tax preparers with be required to be registered with IRS in 2011. There is a big difference between being a member of a professional organization and being licensed by IRS. I will now be working for IRS, not my clients. IRS holds my license and directs the educational seminars and if I step out of line I lose my license and livelihood by decision of a bureaucrat who of course will only be following the rules, which was the standard Nuremberg defense.

I know now how the Jews felt in the 1930’s when they were told to register with the govt.

22 posted on 10/04/2010 8:51:34 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Bob
Very good points, but I think the potential for abuse by accrediting bodies should not be overlooked.

Heck, I predict that within the next decade we're going to see a very credible effort on the part of a lot of colleges and universities to effectively overthrow the most notable "accrediting body" of all in higher education -- the NCAA.

23 posted on 10/04/2010 8:51:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: La Lydia

This will have instant approval:
http://www.bsu.edu/libraries/viewpage.aspx?src=./virtualpress/wolfe/index.html


24 posted on 10/04/2010 8:58:44 AM PDT by Bronzy (Remember In November.)
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To: La Lydia
I wonder which clause under Article I, Sec. 8 of the Constitution gives Congress any power to control education?

As far as I can tell, the AAUP (American Association of University Professors) has nothing about this on their website--but I wouldn't expect them to. They are pretty leftwing and seem to be mainly concerned with the freedom of speech of liberal professors at conservative institutions.

25 posted on 10/04/2010 9:18:04 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: La Lydia

these guys are also starting to cut in on the lucraive buisness

http://www.straighterline.com/


26 posted on 10/04/2010 9:23:45 AM PDT by mo
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To: utherdoul
[ While I wouldn’t put it past them this is from world nut daily and I take anything they say with a bit more than grain of salt. ]

America colleges have long been bastions of leftist drivel..
Maybe you have NOT been on an America college/University?..

Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the tip of a larger iceberg..

Conservatives cannot hold positions long there unless they are close mouthed RINOs..
Even then they are merely tolerated not offered tenure..

The Progressives(communists/socialists/enviros) OWN America University's..

27 posted on 10/04/2010 9:32:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Vigilanteman
None of their students are allowed to finance their educational expenses with government loans.

I think that they have to go that far is a travesty of justice. This is because the fed said if you take any federal money you have to do what they say. A rational person would see that money as in the form of grants and such, but the fed saw even accepting students financed by federally-backed loans as qualifying. This probably means such schools as Hillsdale can't take any former military who want to use their VA benefits. It's sad, really.

28 posted on 10/04/2010 9:34:44 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: PeterPrinciple

Are you a CPA? If so, I could use a US-based CPA for keeping the books - of overseas companies and investments (where licensing is a non-issue)...

Just saying, there are plenty of ex-pats and diversified folks who can use trustworthy, sharp CPAs and accountants here in the US!


29 posted on 10/04/2010 9:35:49 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: La Lydia

The most challenging job today has to be the Imams protection team.


30 posted on 10/04/2010 9:49:54 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
All tax preparers with be required to be registered with IRS in 2011. There is a big difference between being a member of a professional organization and being licensed by IRS. I will now be working for IRS, not my clients. IRS holds my license and directs the educational seminars and if I step out of line I lose my license and livelihood by decision of a bureaucrat who of course will only be following the rules, which was the standard Nuremberg defense.

Do you have a cite for that change? I know a couple of tax preparers who would very interested if they don't already know about it.

31 posted on 10/04/2010 9:52:25 AM PDT by Bob
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To: antiRepublicrat
So far as I know, Hillsdale is the only one out of a handful of conservative colleges who have taken such a draconian step. However, if the ObaMao regime doesn't get their wings clipped bigtime by the next congress, there will be more which follow their lead.
32 posted on 10/04/2010 10:00:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: La Lydia

the media is dutifully filling up with sob stores about people who racked up $100K student debts attending the Art Institute of South Succotash in order to drive this agenda.


33 posted on 10/04/2010 10:01:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Bob

IRS Regulation:

http://www.webcpa.com/news/IRS-Opens-Online-Tax-Preparer-Registration-System-55738-1.html

Sounds very simple but you have to read between the line...........


34 posted on 10/04/2010 10:03:18 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: carton253

Education was one field. Others were psychology and sociology. Both fields were relatively open to virtually anything, and the majors were such that even the worst slacker could keep their draft deferment. Of course, the population explosion in those fields led to ‘studies’ which not only concluded that much more extensive studies were needed, but that we also needed people to tell us how to run every aspect of our lives (at ‘government’ expense, of course). Otherwise, the grads would have been employed in another industry which was experiencing an expanding workforce—fast food—which would have led to the reduction of Sociology and psychology departments at universities all over...


35 posted on 10/04/2010 11:07:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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