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3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare
Bizjournals.com ^ | 10/4/2010 | Sam Black

Posted on 10/05/2010 8:46:17 AM PDT by Qbert

3M Co., citing new federal health laws, said Monday it won't cover retirees with its corporate health-insurance plan starting in 2013.

Instead, the company will direct retirees to Medicare-backed insurance programs, and will provide reimbursement for that coverage. It'll also reimburse retirees who are too young for Medicare; the company didn't provide further details.

The company made the changes known in a memo to employees Friday; news of the move was reported in The Wall Street Journal and confirmed Monday by 3M spokeswoman Jackie Berry.

In its memo, the company said the new health-reform act would create new opportunities for people in their 50s and 60s to find affordable insurance.

Maplewood-based 3M (NYSE: MMM) is one of the first large companies to indicate that it won't tap a large federal-government reimbursement program created by Congress as part of the health insurance reform package, The Wall Street Journal reported. The rebate program was meant to encourage employers to keep in place their health-insurance plans for retirees.

3M said the new policy will begin in 2013 for retirees who are 65 and older and qualify for Medicare. Non-Medicare eligible retirees and their dependents will join the program in 2015.

3M noted that these changes affect current and future retirees of 3M, regardless of their retirement date.

The new policy is likely to save 3M money because it reduces the risk to the manufacturer for rising medical costs, according to a University of Minnesota professor interviewed Monday by Minnesota Public Radio.


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1 posted on 10/05/2010 8:46:21 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Got choice?


2 posted on 10/05/2010 8:47:29 AM PDT by TSgt (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho - 44th and current President of the United States)
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To: Qbert

Umm... 3M is discharging retiree med care to Medicare and Medicare is going to pick up the tab for the coverage? Is it just me, or is that just completely ass backwards?


3 posted on 10/05/2010 8:47:37 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Qbert

This could put retirees in a bit of a jam considering that Doctors are dropping their medicare practices left and right.


4 posted on 10/05/2010 8:50:04 AM PDT by albie
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To: rarestia
They will pay the retiree the cost of a Medicare Supplement and Part D plan, I suspect.
5 posted on 10/05/2010 8:51:29 AM PDT by Tucson Jim
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To: rarestia

Most companies dumped their retirees on Medicare years ago.

The few that didn’t, did it when Bush rolled out the Prescription coverage.

I’m curious if Obamacare was somehow an added impetus for this move, or whether 3M was just behind the ball.


6 posted on 10/05/2010 8:51:33 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: albie

Gee, who saw this coming?

Oh, thats right. Conservatives did. Everything we said would happen is.


7 posted on 10/05/2010 8:52:08 AM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: TSgt

Maybe you can keep your plan, the plan won’t keep you.


8 posted on 10/05/2010 8:52:59 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Qbert

WOW, didn’t see that one coming............................/s


9 posted on 10/05/2010 8:53:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Qbert

Watch for Kathleen Sebelius to threaten to put the upper management of 3M in prison for this.


10 posted on 10/05/2010 8:53:28 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Tucson Jim

So 3M is paying them to go on Medicare? I didn’t read it that way, but it makes more sense.

Then again, we live in upside-down bizarro world now, so “sense” is definitely something at a premium right now.


11 posted on 10/05/2010 8:53:37 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Qbert

I know some folks that are getting dropped also...I think their’s was with Whirlpool. Whirlpool will give them a small stipend (something like 50 bucks per month) to pick up a secondary in addition to their Medicare.


12 posted on 10/05/2010 8:55:39 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Steely Tom

Why would she do that? It is exactly what Obama and his ilk want! Destroy private health care insurance so that the Government will be ‘forced’ to implement the SINGLE PAYER plan, like it always intended.


13 posted on 10/05/2010 8:59:28 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Qbert
Barack Obama, June 23, 2009 :

"Let me be clear, When I say if you have your plan and you like it, or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."


14 posted on 10/05/2010 9:01:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Qbert

“Nobody will lose or have to change their current coverage”.


15 posted on 10/05/2010 9:01:53 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Qbert; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; dools0007world; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”3M Co., citing new federal health laws, said Monday it won't cover retirees with its corporate health-insurance plan starting in 2013. Instead, the company will direct retirees to Medicare-backed insurance programs, and will provide reimbursement for that coverage. It'll also reimburse retirees who are too young for Medicare; the company didn't provide further details.

Considering Medicare is currently running a deficit, and the Obama deficit commission (and maybe some Republicans) want to cut this benefit for some retirees for the deficit, this does not sound like a good development.

16 posted on 10/05/2010 9:02:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Qbert

17 posted on 10/05/2010 9:02:55 AM PDT by facedodge (Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. ~Friedman)
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To: dawn53
“In its memo, the company said the new health-reform act would create new opportunities for people in their 50s and 60s to find affordable insurance.”

Just like the pink slip is “new opportunities to find a better job”. I always look forward to taking an entry level job when I'm 55. Just redistributin da wealth.

18 posted on 10/05/2010 9:04:04 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: SeekAndFind
The key operative words from Obama here are: "if you have your plan...
19 posted on 10/05/2010 9:04:46 AM PDT by Obadiah (I can see November from my house!)
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To: Qbert

No, this story can’tbe true. President Obama said anyone who liked their plan could keep it.


20 posted on 10/05/2010 9:05:00 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Mr. Silverback

It is Bush’s fault....


21 posted on 10/05/2010 9:07:44 AM PDT by MissH
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To: Steely Tom

“Watch for Kathleen Sebelius to threaten to put the upper management of 3M in prison for this”.

...I’m glad you didn’t tag that with a ~sarc. I believe it’s a legitimate possibility. At least haul them before a committee and rake them over the coals, use as an example of what can happen if HP/GE/TI tries this.


22 posted on 10/05/2010 9:08:14 AM PDT by albie
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To: DannyTN

Of course ObamaCare was the reason. The new ‘mandates’ the gov’t is requiring for private health insurance include ‘free’ screening for most cancers. This includes ‘free’ colonoscopies, beginning at 50. Many more ‘seniors’(ie retirees) will take advantage of the screenings, which will drive up health care in the short term, while possibily saving money on expensive cancer treatment in the long run.

3M is just responding the way any BUSINESS would, maximizing profits. The law of unintended consequences strikes again. I wonder how many ‘hope and change’ 3M retirees will feel ‘short changed’ by Obama when they get the letter from their former employer?


23 posted on 10/05/2010 9:09:57 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: facedodge

There are two problems with this cartoon:

  1. Uncle Sam is actually receiving treatment
  2. The title should read Lean Forward America

24 posted on 10/05/2010 9:12:03 AM PDT by facedodge (Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. ~Friedman)
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To: Qbert

Thanks Barry....


25 posted on 10/05/2010 9:12:41 AM PDT by MichaelP (Democrats are the party of Special Re-education)
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To: sickoflibs

” What a revoltin development “


26 posted on 10/05/2010 9:13:50 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: albie

“This could put retirees in a bit of a jam considering that Doctors are dropping their medicare practices left and right.”

On another thread I mentioned the Marxist Hegelian Dialectic. Basically, the government acts to make something worse, then steps in with another action to “fix” the first action and move the situation along, in small steps, to the desired outcome.

They frequently act like spectators when they watch the trainwreck they instigated.

So yes, it will create a bit of a jam. Don’t worry, Congress to the rescue!


27 posted on 10/05/2010 9:15:59 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Crazieman

AMEN. Blame the Democraps. They were the ones who blindly voted for something that they had not read. The millstone of Obamacare should hang around their necks. San Fran Nan should be first in line since she said it would have to pass to find out what’s in it. Oh yeah, she conveniently exempted herself and other high level officials from the mandate to take Obamacare. THAT is the reason the GOP should repeal the monstrosity. The reckoning is coming.


28 posted on 10/05/2010 9:17:17 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: Qbert

I wish it was the UAW ans SEIU.


29 posted on 10/05/2010 9:17:25 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Qbert

No one could have EVER predicted this!

I think we need more government intervention to fix what the last round of government intervention broke!


30 posted on 10/05/2010 9:22:40 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Qbert

So 3M saves some money in the short run, but what happens years from now when more and more Americans are forced into taking their health care coverage from the Federal Government? You guessed it...faced with a failing program that is going into debt, the Feds will TAX evil Companies like 3M who made a profit off cutting benefits for employees.

End result is exactly what the Fed want: Socialized Health Care.


31 posted on 10/05/2010 9:24:48 AM PDT by Portnoy (Follow me on Twitter @gadsdenrattlers)
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To: Qbert

On the bright side, stuff like this will bring their whole ponzi-scheme house of cards down faster.

Here’s to crashing their fraudulent system! Now, what happens after the inevitable crash?


32 posted on 10/05/2010 9:25:14 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Qbert

Barack Obama, June 23, 2009 :

“Let me be clear, When I say if you have your plan and you like it, or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don’t have to change plans, what I’m saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform.”

HEADLINES 6 months later:

1) http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2010/10/04/daily3.html

3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

2) http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/mcdonalds-obamacare-regulations-will-cause-30000-employees-to-lose-insurance-104070558.html

McDonald’s: Obamacare regulations will cause 30,000 employees to lose insurance

3) http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/editorials/view.bg?articleid=1285332&srvc=home&position=emailed

ObamaCare Victims:

Harvard Pilgrim was forced (by Medicare’s administration) to notify its customers that their plans would be canceled as of the end of this year. The company will offer another supplemental plan offering fewer benefits at a higher premium

4) http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/06/17/2010-06-17_a_bad_omen_on_obamacare_fears_about_health_reforms_costs_are_coming_true.html#ixzz11V8GOKvg

A bad omen on Obamacare: Fears about health reform’s costs are coming true

... several major corporations reported it would take a bite out of their future earnings. This group included AT&T, Caterpillar, John Deere, Verizon and several other large employers.

5) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/30/obamacares-health-hazard/

Two major Minnesota insurers announced this week that they would stop selling individual policies because of Obamacare’s uncertainties. Instead, they are routing policyholders into more expensive plans. Meanwhile, Anthem BlueCross and BlueShield, Aetna, Cigna, CoventryOne, Humana and UnitedHealthCare have stopped offering many child-only policies because Obamacare would force them to enroll children with pre-existing conditions, creating incentives for parents to wait until children get sick before buying coverage and hitting insurance companies with the bills.

Barack Obama, June 23, 2009 :


“Let me be clear, When I say if you have your plan and you like it, or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don’t have to change plans, what I’m saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform


33 posted on 10/05/2010 9:25:47 AM PDT by WebFocus
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To: milwguy

Only quibble with your post...it was never unintended from this regime.


34 posted on 10/05/2010 9:28:23 AM PDT by MNlurker
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To: SeekAndFind

“The government won’t make you change plans,” but they will create conditions that make it very unattractive for your present insurer to keep you the way you were.


35 posted on 10/05/2010 9:31:06 AM PDT by Genoa (Put the kettle on!)
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To: DannyTN

GE didn’t. My mom had outstanding GE health benefits until she died last year.


36 posted on 10/05/2010 9:31:37 AM PDT by twigs
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Up to now Medicare’s been pretty good to seniors, of course they cost shift, and tax others for it, so why would seniors complain.

The 20 something crowd should be complaining about being uninsured (or paying alot) while being taxed for medicare, that is insult to injury. Their solution was to demand their own ‘free’ health care not realizing that the horses pulling the cart cant be riding in the cart too.


37 posted on 10/05/2010 9:32:51 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: MNlurker

To the ‘hope and change’ crowd who voted for him it is unintended. For the people in charge, I agree with you 100%. Back door public option is what they settled on, and the regime is busy trying to undermine private insurers and employers at every turn so they can move the masses to gov’t healthcare.


38 posted on 10/05/2010 9:35:14 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: Qbert

More unintended consequences of liberalism and Obamacare.

Obama LIED when he said you could keep your healthcare, of course, but NO ONE has dared to call him on it!


39 posted on 10/05/2010 9:38:22 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: albie
I believe it’s a legitimate possibility. At least haul them before a committee and rake them over the coals, use as an example of what can happen if HP/GE/TI tries this.

Ain't gonna happen. At least not until the Republicans gain a majority. remember the hearings threat ince companies made the mandatory write-downs after Obama signed the bill? They got nipped in the bud once the RATs realized the companies would easily show why their action was warranted. The LAST THING the RATs want in the open is the truth.

OTOH, the republicans will be able to leverage hearings like that when making the case for repeal. Tell me, Mr. 3M CEO, why exactly did you make the decision to drop retiree coverage? No other choice, right? Duty to stockholders? Only way to remain competitive globally? Crushing cost increases?

40 posted on 10/05/2010 9:39:42 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("It's amazing, A man who has such large ears could be so tone deaf" Rush Limbaugh 9/8/10)
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To: Qbert

Also the demorat led congress is cutting Medicaire by $500 billion.


41 posted on 10/05/2010 9:40:26 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: twigs

I think the hold outs are few and far between. GE is an exception not the rule.

But it would be nice to know if there are specific provisions of Obamacare that were going to cause an $xxxxxxxx amount increase in the plans that motivated the change or if this was just a long overdue change.

And by overdue, I’m not saying I’m in favor of all retirees being on Medicare, I’m just saying overdue from a company financial decision standpoint.


42 posted on 10/05/2010 9:59:42 AM PDT by DannyTN
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You folks forget that this is exactly what Obama and Democrats wanted — destroying the private medical insurance industry and replacing it with ‘single-payer’ Medicare for everyone.

Democrats don’t view this news by 3M as a negative but a step forward to their inevitable goal.


43 posted on 10/05/2010 9:59:54 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: Qbert

3M should try the McDonald’s route first - Great Leader promised the fed would work with Mikky-D’s. Why not 3M?


44 posted on 10/05/2010 10:08:36 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Qbert

I really think this should be illegal. These folks were brought in to do a job for a company that made a fortune off their backs and now AFTER retirement, they want to drop them. I hope they can’t do this. Changes to retirement medical and pensions should only be allowed for new employees. It is BS to allow changes after years and years at a company and even worse after they have already retired. Sorry but that is just how I feel. I can imagine that those jealous of those who have pensions are the ones happy about this. Everyone has a choice where to work and some people decide to work for themselves and guess what? You don’t earn a pension but you get to sleep all day and collect the money at the end of the day....depending on what you own.


45 posted on 10/05/2010 10:08:50 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Steely Tom

One can only hope.


46 posted on 10/05/2010 10:10:38 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: WebFocus

yet AL Franken runs around MN telling how great Obummercare is.


47 posted on 10/05/2010 10:11:17 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Qbert

And the madness begins ....

Hey Minesota !!!

As a wise woman from Alaska once said:

“How’s that hopey changey thing workin’ out for ya now ???

You betcha !!!


48 posted on 10/05/2010 10:20:13 AM PDT by Lmo56 (</i><p>)
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To: albie
This could put retirees in a bit of a jam considering that Doctors are dropping their medicare practices left and right.

Watch for a new law or requirment that if a person wants to be a doctor he/she will have to accept medicare. Something in the line of Lawyers having to work for free as public defenders.

49 posted on 10/05/2010 10:20:42 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Qbert

obamacare = Loop holes


50 posted on 10/05/2010 10:27:54 AM PDT by Vaduz
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