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New high gas mileage standard could make vehicles cost more, less safe
The Daily Caller ^ | 2:40 AM 10/06/2010 | Caroline May

Posted on 10/06/2010 6:41:39 AM PDT by facedodge

Want pigs to fly, Brussels sprouts to taste like Twinkies, and Justin Bieber to get a haircut? By the government’s logic, just make a rule mandating that it must be so and…voila! All of a sudden beachfront property can now to be purchased in Kansas!

The Transportation Department and Environmental Protection Agency suggested Friday that by 2025 new vehicle fleets would need to meet a high gas mileage standard of between 47 mpg and 62 mpg. The administration’s plans for the country’s future fuel efficiency standards are extremely aggressive — so aggressive that some experts wonder whether the mandates are even attainable.

Despite panic by some, Charlie Territo, senior director of communications for the Alliance of Auto Manufacturers, says that it is important to keep in mind that the mileage standards are not definite, as Friday’s announcement was merely a preliminary notice of intent.

According to Territo, the rule making process will be a long one, but there will be consequences for the average consumer. “Anytime you add technology to a vehicle you add cost,” he told The Daily Caller. “And the types of technologies that would need to be added to a vehicle to meet those standards could have the potential to price consumers out of the market all together.”

Even without the government’s insistence, auto manufacturers already work exceptionally hard at innovating and improving their products’ capabilities. Spokesman Matthew Russell, for example, told TheDC that since the late 1970s BMW has been working to do just that. “We have a comprehensive program in place already, which is designed to extract the maximum balance of performance and efficiency from several different energy sources, so not just gasoline but diesel, hybrid technology, and even hydrogen where applicable,” Russell said.

An industry observer told TheDC that in order to meet the mileage range the government could demand, people will have little choice but to buy electric cars. “It’s great, it’s a great thought, and we hope we get there, but you have issues of range, you have issues of infrastructure, and you have issues of cost. Now if, if gas stays around the three dollar a gallon range, people are not going to go rush to pay thousands of dollars more per vehicle. It’s going to be very, very difficult,” the industry observer said.

Sam Kasman, the general council for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, told TheDC that the goal is far too high to be realistic. “Frankly I think they are in fantasy land,” he said. “To one extent I expect they are placing a very heavy bet on electric vehicles, but it is easy for them to bet because they are betting with our money, not their own.”

Beyond whether a 62 mpg car is fathomable, the fact remains, cars that are able to attain such high gas mileage tend to be lightweight and dangerous. Insurance Institute for Highway Safety spokesman Russ Rader told TheDC that safety is always harmed with ratcheting up a vehicle’s fuel efficiency. “If the rules lead to incentives for people to buy smaller, lighter vehicles, then, we’re trading more crash deaths for better fuel economy. That’s the bottom line,” he said.

Automakers hope to maintain safety and the same wide range of consumer choice Americans currently enjoy, while at the same time meeting the government’s expectations. Territo says that auto manufactures in the past have been able to have their voices heard in the rule making process.

“The goal is to ensure that consumers continue to have a wide variety of vehicles,” said Territo. “And the way that can be done is to give manufacturers the right amount of lead time to do it. The more realistic the standards are the better the chance they have of meeting it with the least possible impact on the consumer.”

The administration hopes to have a proposal by September 2011 and a final rule by July 2012.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: economy; fuel; government; hybrid

1 posted on 10/06/2010 6:41:41 AM PDT by facedodge
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


2 posted on 10/06/2010 6:43:09 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: facedodge

“Ya think, DiNozzo?”


3 posted on 10/06/2010 6:44:24 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: facedodge

Wow, that was easy! Now we just need to legislate a cure for cancer!


4 posted on 10/06/2010 6:47:27 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Army Air Corps
Actually, the new regs will make cars MUCH more safe.

Since it will decimate the already molested auto industry, when everyone is walking, Bike Riding, and skateboarding to the rice paddies, auto accidents will be a thing of the past.

5 posted on 10/06/2010 6:47:29 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: facedodge

The real target is FAMILIES.

When the cars are smaller, you can’t have as many kids.
That’s the goal.


6 posted on 10/06/2010 6:49:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: facedodge
Between 47mpg and 62mpg??? Just think about all the tiny little cars we will all be driving to achieve that. You won't be able to take more than one child to school at a time, think of the gas you would use in multiple trips.
7 posted on 10/06/2010 6:49:40 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: C210N
Actually, the new regs will make cars MUCH more safe. Since it will decimate the already molested auto industry, when everyone is walking, Bike Riding, and skateboarding to the rice paddies, auto accidents will be a thing of the past.

The fatal flaw in your argument is that government employees will of course be exempt from any of these rules, and will mow down us serfs for the sheer joy of it with their gas guzzling SUVs. But I suppose that'll really be the SUV's fault, not the driver..

8 posted on 10/06/2010 6:52:23 AM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: facedodge
The EPA took lead out of gas and made the formulas of gas with less btu’s so mileage took a nosedive. Pollution standards took another big bite out of mileage. The auto industry computerized the engines and maximized millage again. The eco-freaks are now demanding impossible changes to again attempt to kill the internal combustion engine and force us to drive clown cars.
9 posted on 10/06/2010 6:53:06 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: C210N

Indeed, Comrade, since we shall live on collective farms at that point. We shall sing songs extolling the virtues of The Party as we toil in the soil. That, or we can vote in this election and put this nonsense to rest.


10 posted on 10/06/2010 6:54:30 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: MrB

There will be a clash between reality and fuel standards. Voters are complacent, perhaps deluded into thinking that a silver bullet exists. Perhaps the standards will be relaxed when the realization about the impact of the standards occurs. With the Democrats, the more likely result is just vicious attacks on the auto industry and more government control. If the standards are not relaxed, family vehicles will be a relic of the past.


11 posted on 10/06/2010 6:55:40 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Army Air Corps
Indeed, Comrade, since we shall live on collective farms at that point. We shall sing songs extolling the virtues of The Party as we toil in the soil.


12 posted on 10/06/2010 7:02:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The battle lines are drawn: On one side, are Dems and Repubs. On the other, the Tea Party (us).)
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To: businessprofessor

When we all move to electric and 65 mpg vehicles the state and federal gas tax will be sliced. They will then seek new ways to go after drivers.


13 posted on 10/06/2010 7:02:55 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: facedodge

Europe has had mandated high gas pricing for decades. It has not lead to the developemnt of 62mpg vehicles, crap powered vehicles, electric cars or any other utopian modes of transpo.

We really need to drasticly reduce the power these federal agencies have usurped.


14 posted on 10/06/2010 7:03:04 AM PDT by Adder (Note to self: 11-2-10 Take out the Trash!!!)
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To: oldironsides

They are already talking about taxing by the mile driven instead of by a gas tax.

To do this, however, they will need to install devices that let them know our cars’ positions at all times.


15 posted on 10/06/2010 7:05:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: facedodge

Small does not mean unsafe. There was a video a while back with a modern smaller car crash tested against an old land yacht — the smaller car won due to better technology. The point is to let manufacturers develop the technology to build small and safe. Mandating small before the technology is there to make it safe means more deaths.


16 posted on 10/06/2010 7:11:12 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Adder
Europe has had mandated high gas pricing for decades. It has not lead to the developemnt of 62mpg vehicles

Actually, it has. Small diesels have been popular over there for a long time.

17 posted on 10/06/2010 7:16:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: facedodge

Well, it’s buying habits that make mileage increase difficult. My wife’s ‘95 Subaru is needing replacement. She was thinking about a small 4WD truck. But you can no longer seem to be able to get one with a 4 cylinder engine. Everyone wants the V-6s. Subaru no longer has the 1.8 or 2.2 engines... all 2.5s.

And so on. Americans opt for the bigger more powerful engines, even though there’s seldom any point to it for residents of metropolitan areas. The govt will have to force people to buy smaller less powerful cars because they won’t do it on their own. I’m sure that the libs would love that. Smaller lighter cars means more highway deaths.... a much desired outcome for the left.


18 posted on 10/06/2010 7:18:20 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: facedodge
If I had an extra $400K, burning a hole in my pocket, I'd buy this.
19 posted on 10/06/2010 7:21:33 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: antiRepublicrat

No one can define, for you or me personally, what ‘safe’ is. Is it save to drive a new Volvo to a rock climbing cliff?

Why are people driving old, ancient land yachts? Because they can not afford new, safe cars, because the prices of new cars grows faster than the consumers income. Why would manufactures build cars that cost more than their customers can afford? Because they are ordered to.

Customers, and the private market are two private parties exchanging goods and services between them.

Also, I love the government weasel word, ‘mandate’. What they really mean to say is ‘order’, or ‘command’. Think how the sheeple would thing, possible, about their status vis a vis the powers if the word ‘ordered’ was used instead of the weasel word ‘mandate’. “Today the EPA ordered that you will obey... the Labor Reich Leader Ordered that all...The State capital ordered all local towns to ....”

You get the picture.


20 posted on 10/06/2010 7:27:20 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: facedodge

The main way to improve gas mileage is to make the vehicle lighter and more unstable, using cheaper plastics and metals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz-s1sIoLhU

Watch the Smart Car crash test and ask yourself “where do my legs go?” in the event of a crash. The CAFE nazis are going to create a country of paraplegics.


21 posted on 10/06/2010 7:28:22 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Just as ‘safe’ is a political definition, so to ‘pollution’. The reason you don’t have small diesels in the US is because of the EPA. So, you have one group of governmenalitsts pushing for mileage, thus diesels and light weight. Another group of governmentalist pusing for safety, thus weight and cost, and another group of enviormentalists pushing for emissions thus no diesels and lower hp per unit of engine.

And around and around around....


22 posted on 10/06/2010 7:31:05 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: OrangeHoof
I just wish we lived in a free country. Legs or no legs.


23 posted on 10/06/2010 7:33:58 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: facedodge
“Anytime you add technology to a vehicle you add cost,” he told The Daily Caller. “And the types of technologies that would need to be added to a vehicle to meet those standards could have the potential to price consumers out of the market all together.” And there you have the whack lefts ultimate goal, folks!....
24 posted on 10/06/2010 8:09:09 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: facedodge

A car the size of a 63 caddy would already be getting this higher mpg. if it were tuned the way they used to tune the ‘’lean burn’’ it’s called, that plus computers on board and catylic converters would do it. Remember how thet used to advertise how good their car did in mileage competition at Daytona? Course it wouldn’t be legal to sell such a car now.


25 posted on 10/06/2010 8:26:30 AM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: mountainlion

As a kid, I used to be intrigued with Fred Flintstone’s ‘foot power’ car .... the way things are going, real life will soon be looking like the cartoon.


26 posted on 10/06/2010 8:26:59 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Obad. 1:15: As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.)
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To: OrangeHoof

I watched a crash test with a Smart car and a mid-size Toyota at 30 to 35mph. The Smart car went airborne.


27 posted on 10/06/2010 8:27:22 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey, where did you get the latest Democrat campiagn poster?


28 posted on 10/06/2010 8:28:05 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: facedodge
My 1972 Citroen 2CV hot rod with the Ami 8 engine (32hp instead of the stock 26hp)got over 60mpg.

Get until the speed limit was raised to 65 mph. It would cruise @65mph ( top speed was 75) allday long but the freeways went from 65 to 80mph when the speed limit was lifted.

I feel like everyone was trying to run into me.

29 posted on 10/06/2010 8:46:44 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: troy McClure
Get? opps I meant Great.
30 posted on 10/06/2010 8:50:10 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: facedodge
The guys who can restore older cars, like a 10 year old 2012 Mustang Boss 302, will make a fortune.

Restore it, drive it, restore it again and watch the envious glances from the Useful Idiots driving the little bubble cars that their Progressive Political heroes forced them in to.

It's kind of like Obamacare. The idiots think that they will be sitting next to Nancy Pelosi in the waiting room of the local Health Care Clinic waiting for their free Doctor visit. Fools and more fools, everywhere you look.

31 posted on 10/06/2010 9:03:43 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (My Rights are God given, not Obama approved...)
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To: oldironsides
When we all move to electric and 65 mpg vehicles the state and federal gas tax will be sliced. They will then seek new ways to go after drivers.

They'll tax you by the mile with the mandatory installed GPS. Fedgov is salivating at the prospect of another step along the path to the ultimate survellance state.

32 posted on 10/06/2010 9:21:32 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I guess I stand corrected...I was not aware they were pulling 62mpg...


33 posted on 10/06/2010 9:52:48 AM PDT by Adder (Note to self: 11-2-10 Take out the Trash!!!)
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To: Seruzawa

The govt will have to force people to buy smaller less powerful cars because they won’t do it on their own.

Its none of the government’s damn business....


34 posted on 10/06/2010 9:58:51 AM PDT by Adder (Note to self: 11-2-10 Take out the Trash!!!)
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To: Adder
Its none of the government’s damn business....

Unfortunately the large majority of voters have accepted a govt that makes EVERYTHING its damm business.

35 posted on 10/06/2010 10:39:56 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Adder
I was not aware they were pulling 62mpg...

We just don't see them here. For example, the Smart diesel does 72 mpg city and highway (it's not aerodynamic, so highway mileage isn't higher) and the VW Polo diesel gets 51 city, 72 hwy. Of course the above 60 combined mileage is generally reserved for smaller cars, but still even a Jetta diesel will get you 41 city, 57 hwy. You can't get any of those highway numbers in a Prius.

36 posted on 10/06/2010 11:45:44 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Army Air Corps
I watched a crash test with a Smart car and a mid-size Toyota at 30 to 35mph. The Smart car went airborne.

I saw a Smart vs. what looked like a 90s VW Polo. The Smart won. Well, the car was hosed, but the relative results for the drivers would have been a headache for the Smart driver and the hospital for the other driver. Turns out Smarts also route crash damage around the drivers compartment, resulting in rear-end damage from a frontal crash.

I also saw a Smart vs. an Opel Corsa both head-on into a concrete barrier at 70 mph. Anyone in either crash would have been dead of course, but what was interesting was that the Smart's passenger compartment retained its shape, and you could even open and close the door afterwards as if there had been no crash.

37 posted on 10/06/2010 11:54:51 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Anyone in either crash would have been dead of course, but what was interesting was that the Smart's passenger compartment retained its shape, and you could even open and close the door afterwards as if there had been no crash.

Yeah, in the Smart, the kinetic energy is tranferred through you. Feel better?
38 posted on 10/06/2010 2:18:54 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Seruzawa

Well I hope 11-2 is a sea change to that.

Otherwise you are right and we are doomed as a free nation.


39 posted on 10/07/2010 3:19:11 AM PDT by Adder (Note to self: 11-2-10 Take out the Trash!!!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

So they are not “real” cars...they are cars with enough room for you and your baguette.

The kind where you can take your family to the movies but it would take 2 trips to get them there.

Sorry.

Saw those in Italy. If thats what they are proposing for here...its not worth it. I also saw Vespa’s with cabs on them. They do real well on fuel also. Not sure i would want to take the interstate in one tho.

I see a few “Smart” cars here and the occupants look like the cartoon at the lead of this thread.


40 posted on 10/07/2010 3:26:53 AM PDT by Adder (Note to self: 11-2-10 Take out the Trash!!!)
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To: Adder
So they are not “real” cars...they are cars with enough room for you and your baguette.

So having more than two seats is the definition of a car for you? That rules out a LOT of sports cars.

I see a few “Smart” cars here and the occupants look like the cartoon at the lead of this thread.

There's more driver room in a Smart than most small cars. I know Smarts aren't for all circumstances. They weren't designed for all circumstances. But for what they were designed for, as city cars, they are very good. And as opposed to a Vespa, and some other larger cars, they have a real-car quality feel to them. Just don't try to haul timber or race one.

41 posted on 10/07/2010 5:55:52 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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