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First civilian trial of a Guantánamo Bay detainee halted
The Guardian UK ^ | October 6, 2010

Posted on 10/06/2010 11:37:40 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The first civilian trial of a Guantánamo Bay detainee was delayed today after a Manhattan judge told prosecutors they could not call their star witness.

Judge Lewis Kaplan blocked the government in Washington from calling a man whom authorities said sold explosives to Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, the defendant. Defence lawyers say investigators learned about the witness only after Ghailani underwent harsh interrogation at a secret CIA camp between 2004 and 2006.

"The court has not reached this conclusion lightly," Kaplan wrote. "It is acutely aware of the perilous nature of the world in which we live. But the constitution is the rock upon which our nation rests. We must follow it, not when it is convenient, but when fear and danger beckon in a different direction."

Washington immediately asked for a delay of the trial, which had been expected to begin with opening statements today, so that it had time to appeal against the ruling should it decide to do so.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmed; ghailani; gitmo; guantanamo; khalfan

1 posted on 10/06/2010 11:37:42 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
But the constitution is the rock upon which our nation rests. We must follow it, not when it is convenient, but when fear and danger beckon in a different direction."

Kaplan: Strict constructionist. Wonder what he has ruled on other "constututional" issues.

2 posted on 10/06/2010 11:47:33 AM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These “illegal combatants” are terrorists, NOT ENTITLED to Constitutional protection!!!!


3 posted on 10/06/2010 11:47:33 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nobody knew that this would happen, right?


4 posted on 10/06/2010 11:52:24 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: G Larry

O’Bama, like Clinton before him, has lowered it to common criminal from illegal combatants.


5 posted on 10/06/2010 11:53:15 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: bill1952

I hope that the guy gets off....look he’s guilty, admitted it, and should be thrown out of a plane over Ground zero..but this will be a HUGE issue in the 2012 election, which starts in 26 days..and should help us get rid of Zero, and Holder..and the rest of them..once the country starts to realize what has happened...it will be a huge uprising..


6 posted on 10/06/2010 11:56:50 AM PDT by ken5050 (Payback's a "Pelosi")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So much for the claims of Obama Admin/liberal pinheads that these trials would go smoothly.


7 posted on 10/06/2010 12:02:06 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: bill1952

I hope that the guy gets off....look he’s guilty, admitted it, and should be thrown out of a plane over Ground zero..but this will be a HUGE issue in the 2012 election, which starts in 26 days..and should help us get rid of Zero, and Holder..and the rest of them..once the country starts to realize what has happened...it will be a huge uprising..


8 posted on 10/06/2010 12:03:34 PM PDT by ken5050 (Payback's a "Pelosi")
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To: ducdriver; G Larry; BunnySlippers; dirtboy

Barack Obama’s and Eric Holder’s decision to hold terrorist trials in civilian courts and this ruling present the logical consequences of judicial malpractice by the Supreme Court. The Global War on Terror confronts this country with invasive, catastrophic dangers exceeding those of WW II. Every capability, be it material, political or legal, must align to defeat this enemy. Notwithstanding this urgency, justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Ginsburg, Steven Breyer, and John Stevens rejected their responsibilities. They eviscerated the political departments of their Constitutional authority to provide for the common defense.

Alexander Hamilton anticipated this specter when noting the primacy of national security. He said in Federalist Paper 23, “These powers ought to exist without limitation, because it is impossible to foresee or define the extent and variety of national exigencies, or the correspondent extent and variety of the means which may be necessary to satisfy them. The circumstances that endanger the safety of nations are infinite, and for this reason no constitutional shackles can be wisely imposed on the power to which the care of it is committed. This power ought to be co-extensive with all the possible combinations of circumstances; and ought to be under the direction of the same councils which are appointed to preside over the common defense”. Note powers must exist without limitation in relation to capabilities and intentions. They do not emerge after reflection over damage suffered.

The Legislative and Executive branches hold all powers related to common defense. Congress has power to declare war. The President as Commander in Chief of armed forces employs power to every aspect of military operations, including armed force application, intelligence gathering, and confinement and disposition of captured enemies. The Commander in Chief and Congress must sustain an impenetrable wall behind which citizens may enjoy the benefits of civil liberties, including access to judicial process. The two political branches, most sensitive to accountability by the American people, received tasking for this most sensitive of all issues concerning national viability.

In contrast the Constitution says no common defense powers reside within the unelected Judiciary. As Hamilton says in Federalist Paper 78, “The Judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may be truly said to have neither force nor will, but merely judgment”. The Constitution limits judgment to cases in law and equity, and by separation of powers, limits judgment to reside within sovereign boundaries maintained by the political branches pursuit of common defense. The Judiciary commits malpractice by interpreting the “spirit” of the Constitution to establish a responsibility not enumerated. Hamilton in Federalist Paper 78 uses the term “manifest tenor” meaning clearly visible direction of thought and in Federalist Paper 81 rejects a popularly acclaimed “spirit’ when explaining judgment.

A paraphrase from justice Marshall’s opinion in Marbury vs. Madison appropriately defines our Constitution as it applies to the Judiciary. “The powers of the judiciary are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken or forgotten, the Constitution is written. To what purpose are powers limited, and to what purpose is that limitation committed to writing; if these limits may, at any time, be passed by a judiciary intended to be restrained? The distinction between a government with limited and unlimited powers is abolished, if those limits do not confine the judiciary on whom they are imposed, and if acts prohibited and acts allowed are of equal obligation. It is a proposition too plain to be contested, that the Constitution either controls any judicial act repugnant to it: or, that the judiciary may alter the Constitution by an ordinary act. Between these alternatives there is no middle ground. The Constitution is either a superior, paramount law unchangeable by ordinary means, or it is on a level with ordinary judicial act, and like acts of other branches, is alterable when the judiciary pleases to alter it. Certainly all those who have framed written constitutions contemplate them as forming the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, and consequently the theory of every such government must be that an act of the judiciary repugnant to the constitution is void”.

The justices committed an egregious crime in Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld by reaching into the province of common defense to fabricate an association of terrorists with Common Article Three of the Geneva Conventions. Wahhabi jihadists clearly participate in international armed conflict. They also lack pacific character in regard to hostilities, and do not meet any definition for legitimate armed forces found in Geneva Conventions.

Instead one must consult Article 13 of the First and Second Geneva Conventions and Article Three of the Fourth Convention. Terrorists are not armed forces, militias, volunteer corps, insurgents, or freedom fighters of any country or authority. They are not organized resistance movements carrying arms openly and have no distinctive identifier. Terrorists are not even spies and saboteurs covertly destroying the infrastructure, industrial capacity or armed forces of an opponent. Their campaigns perpetrate murder and mutilation of people defined as Protected Persons by the Conventions. No basis exists to consider such human abominations prisoners of war.

These justices made further intrusions into political branch Constitutional powers with consideration of Bonemediene vs. Bush. The President and Congress sought common ground by following the guidelines the five justices decreed in Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld. These guidelines were rejected before application to any cases. The Court unlawfully claimed original jurisdiction, substituting their pleasure for Constitutional duties of the political branches.

They confiscated common defense authority by fabricating a vague Habeas Corpus process, which by practice and Constitutional mandate has never applied to enemy aliens. By practice the writ was not applied to over 400,000 legitimate Axis prisoners transferred to the U.S. during WW II. Application to terrorists is indefensible. The Suspension Clause is inapplicable because the Constitution uses the words rebellion and public safety describing events within sovereign borders. If one also consults interpretation of Habeas Corpus within English common law, which our Founding Fathers did, again one discovers consistent applicability within sovereign borders.

These five justices perpetrated grievous judicial malpractice. Terrorists became citizens thereby entering a legal conduit and backdoor into our society where presently and prospectively their unlimited butchery equates to a civil murder. These judicial actions are comparable to surgical malpractice of leaving a bloody, festering rag inside a body cavity. Just as those doctors should forfeit rights to practice medicine, these five justices by impeachment should forfeit their right to practice law in the highest court; meaning they should be impeached.

Also, no politician should find shelter within these malignant rulings to indulge personal moral orthodoxies forcing this country into harm’s way.


9 posted on 10/06/2010 2:23:32 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Funny, but this type of crap is exactly why the conservative side was screaming about the cockamamie decision to try these pukes in civilian court.

Expected consequences.


10 posted on 10/06/2010 2:50:32 PM PDT by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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