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N.Y. Seeks to Ban Sugary Drinks From Food Stamp Buys
FOX NEWS ^ | 10/07/10 | AP via FOX

Posted on 10/07/2010 5:41:38 AM PDT by Doogle

NEW YORK -- New Yorkers on food stamps would not be allowed to spend them on sugar-sweetened drinks under an obesity-fighting proposal being floated by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Gov. David Paterson.

Bloomberg and Paterson planned to announce Thursday that they are seeking permission from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the nation's food stamp program, to add sugary drinks to the list of prohibited goods for city residents receiving assistance.

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Bloomingidiot,will back down when asked to tell how he intends to enforce what has become America's hand out program...alcohol and crack is ok though when stamps are sold.
1 posted on 10/07/2010 5:41:42 AM PDT by Doogle
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To: Doogle
“...being floated by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Gov. David Paterson.”

Those racists!

2 posted on 10/07/2010 5:43:15 AM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: Doogle

Are Food Stamps still printed? I thought the EBT Card was now universal................


3 posted on 10/07/2010 5:46:03 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Doogle
What's the old saying?

Something like: "When you take the king's coin, you play the king's tune".

4 posted on 10/07/2010 5:46:21 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Doogle

That’s right New Yorkers...Remember their names at the ballot boxes....the ones who want to ban Coke, Pepsi, Dr, Pepper, Hi-C, Juice Boxes, Kool-Aid, etc...Remember their names...the ones who call you fat....


5 posted on 10/07/2010 5:49:01 AM PDT by uptoolate ("Unemployed? Depressed? Angry? Don't Beat Your Wife... Beat A Democrat..." VOTE)
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To: Doogle

What an absurd idea! Just how does one intend to enforce it?
It would require the full cooperation of the store owners. With bigger grocery store chains and computerized registers, yeah, it could be done quite easily. But the smaller outlets that don’t have access to that kind of technology it would be up to the store owner to tell his customers “no”. That ain’t gonna fly.
I’ll be danged if I’m going to invest hundreds in a check out system for my dinky lil’ store that will only alienate and tick off my customers that use the EBT cards.


6 posted on 10/07/2010 5:49:55 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Had enough, yet?)
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To: Red Badger

There is ebt food and ebt cash. If you qualify for both, you can use ebt cash(welfare) on anything.


7 posted on 10/07/2010 5:51:36 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Doogle

This is a good idea. We are paying for their health care. Why should we be buying them Coke and Twinkies?


8 posted on 10/07/2010 5:51:59 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: Red Badger

“Are Food Stamps still printed?”

Nope, they were phased out years ago. But the moniker still stays for federal food bennies with all us geezers who remember them.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 5:52:13 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Had enough, yet?)
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To: Red Badger

....of course gambling and cruise ships are now banned...is the ETB CARD program as secure as the social security card?...meaning can the program be beat as far as how many cards you can have?.

from another article on fraud:
“She told me if I would let her buy my groceries with her food stamp card, that I could get twice as much because if I spent $80 I would only have to give her $40 cash.”

She refused to assist the woman, but another shopper did.


10 posted on 10/07/2010 5:52:36 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: Doogle
under an obesity-fighting proposal

But you can still buy ice cream and candy with food stamps.

11 posted on 10/07/2010 5:53:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Doogle
Cut SNAP allowances by 90 percent and allow it for bulk grains only.
12 posted on 10/07/2010 5:55:39 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Doogle
To the average person, government attacking sugar and salt would be seen for what it is---an outrageous affront to the dignity of a supposedly free people. Nevermind that this is about welfare recipients. The crusade isn't limited to just those with their hand out.

The fact that these people aren't immediately rejected by an overwhelming majority of citizens demonstrates just how sick and dejected our populace is, at least in certain precincts.

Then again, this is the country that once banned alcohol, and by constitutional amendment, no less. These laws, like laws against marijuana, rob people of their dignity, and make the concept of freedom a joke.

And when the concept of freedom becomes a joke, as it has, then the argument for freedom falls on deaf ears. Freedom? What the hell is that? It's not about freedom anymore. It's about what can I get from the gubmint, and what will the gubmint allow.

13 posted on 10/07/2010 5:56:17 AM PDT by Huck (We need the spirit of '76, not the spirit of '87)
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To: earlJam
This is a good idea. We are paying for their health care. Why should we be buying them Coke and Twinkies?

There are fruit juices that have sugar in them. And what about the ones with fructose? Will those count? It says nothing about Twinkies.

14 posted on 10/07/2010 5:56:26 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: ryan71
N.Y. Seeks to Ban Sugary Drinks From Food Stamp Buys

Thank God they can still get their lobster.

15 posted on 10/07/2010 5:57:51 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: earlJam

I agree. Half my grocery bill is drinks. Much of them sugary crap my husband and kids drink. If I had to cut corners, they’d go. (the drinks, that is, not the husband and kids). If you are collecting food stamps, that qualifies as hard times, IMO. They should have to make the same sacrifices I would have to make in the same situation.


16 posted on 10/07/2010 5:58:02 AM PDT by riri
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To: ozark hilljilly

...absolutely....if they won’t check legal status of illegals, all the ETB card does is make it faster to commit fraud.


17 posted on 10/07/2010 5:58:08 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: Doogle
Bunch of busybody bureaucrats trying to find enough activity to justify their pension and benny burden on the community.

Also known as the politicians solution to the unemployment problem...make more regulations..hire more bureaucrats to enforce ‘em!!!

18 posted on 10/07/2010 5:59:39 AM PDT by mo
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To: Red Badger
I see you didn't know ...

Pelosi fires back at Gingrich over food stamps
By: CNN Congressional Producer Evan Glass

(CNN) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Wednesday strongly defended her party's support of the federal food stamp program - a day after former Republican Speaker Newt Gingrich argued that GOP candidates should use the growing number of people on food stamps against Democrats on the campaign trail.

At a press conference in her home town of San Francisco, Pelosi explained that the program's multiplier effect –the amount of money generated in the local economy as the result of the subsidy– far exceeds the nearly $60 billion spent this year by the federal government and is a sure-fire way to stimulate the economy. For every dollar a person receives in food stamps, Pelosi said that $1.79 is put back into the economy. The U.S. Department of Agriculture cites an even higher figure of $1.84.

“It is the biggest bang for the buck when you do food stamps and unemployment insurance. The biggest bang for the buck,” she said.

(Truly this is LIBERAL haughtiness at its worst. The gall of this bwitch is beyond civilized words.)

Gingrich on Tuesday wrote a letter critical of the Democrats’ stewardship of the economy and urged all Republican candidates to shape the political debate as one “between the Democratic Party of food stamps and the Republican Party of paychecks.”

“It is an unassailable fact that in June, more food stamps were distributed by the government than ever before in American history. (It turns out that Barack Obama’s idea of spreading the wealth around was spreading more food stamps around.),” wrote Gingrich.

...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/06/pelosi-fires-back-at-gingrich-over-food-stamps/

Yes, AMERICANS are on more food stamps than ever in AMERICAN HISTORY.

This makes my blood boil over.

How dare these blankety blanks highlight this shameful fact as something good.

Meanwhile this blankety blank frivolously spends OUR money on:

Nancy Pelosi spends $2,993 on flowers

By JAKE SHERMAN & MEREDITH SHINER | 11/30/09 6:05 PM EDT
Updated: 12/1/09 7:22 AM EDT

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Pelosi, who has come under fire in the past for spending on flowers, also spent roughly $30,610 in food and beverage and about $2,740 on bottled water, contributing to the nearly $120,531 total from all congressional leadership accounts. Her offices defended the charges, saying the Speaker’s office holds more ceremonial events with visiting dignitaries than other congressional offices. They also use a local florist, and about a third of her flower expenses this quarter were for Jack Kemp’s funeral.

...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/30013.html

There are other offenders listed too.

Pelosi in particular really pisses me off!

I am no gawd dam serf.

19 posted on 10/07/2010 6:00:13 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: riri

Certainly “the poor” who are on food stamps should have their choices very limited.
They should not be eating convenience foods or “luxury” foods paid for by those eating rice, beans, and hamburger.


20 posted on 10/07/2010 6:00:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: riri

They are talking about any drink with sugar. That would include ice tea and some fruit juices.


21 posted on 10/07/2010 6:01:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Doogle

Sugary Drinks???..

Drink the damn tap water if you are thirsty.

How many of us budget conscious folks eliminated soda along with other sugary drinks when our hours were cut or or paychecks were reduced by 20%+???

I’m betting most of us have.

I took a MAJOR pay cut last year an now it’s tap water or brew some Folgers. That’s it!!!

I , for one, grow weary budgeting my paycheck while politicians argue over the rights of people on charity on what they can or cannot buy with FREE money!!!!

They are one fricken food stamps ...they should be damn greatful to get free food paid for by taxpayers.


22 posted on 10/07/2010 6:01:42 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: riri

ThAT is not up to the government to determine.

THAT is a personal choice on what is cut when times are tough.

It’s all about CONTROL.


23 posted on 10/07/2010 6:01:51 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Doogle

When they first came out the grocery stores had signs at the cash registers with pictures of things you couldn’t buy, soda pop being one of them. Hell, now I go to the meat market and watch the diversity crowd tell the butcher how thick to cut their steaks.


24 posted on 10/07/2010 6:01:58 AM PDT by printhead
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Good!

Cut em off.

They don't need steak, lobster tails. cakes, cookies, pies, soft drinks, snack chips, etc. etc. etc.

Let them learn how to live like people that work for a living and pay for their own food.

25 posted on 10/07/2010 6:02:39 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Doogle

Seen the WIC cards in Texas used at gas stations for overly priced peanuts and gatoraide. 2X the price at the grocery stores.

Awful stuff. There has to be some sort of competition for price with this stuff.


26 posted on 10/07/2010 6:02:50 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Doogle

Well whaddaya know . . . libs cracking down on food stamp recipients to keep them from buying Co-Colas. Welfare vs. the “nanny state.” Some conservatives will be praising and condemning this at the same time!


27 posted on 10/07/2010 6:03:02 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Shofekh dam ha'adam, ba'adam damo yishshafekh; ki betzelem 'Eloqim `asah 'et-ha'adam.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
they should be damn greatful to get free food paid for by taxpayers.

food is way down on the list right now, mortgages are now the "in thing"

28 posted on 10/07/2010 6:04:30 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: nmh

Then, the extension of what you’re proposing, that the government has no say in what they should buy, and that the individual should be making those choices,

and they are still making choices for “luxury” or “extra” foods beside the basics,

means that they have TOO MUCH “MONEY” at their discretion.
Cut the amount they have to work with until they’re buying rice and beans and milk.


29 posted on 10/07/2010 6:06:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Doogle

But you can still sell them and buy drugs. Coke but not Coke. Go figure.


30 posted on 10/07/2010 6:16:53 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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“Then, the extension of what you’re proposing, that the government has no say in what they should buy, and that the individual should be making those choices,and they are still making choices for “luxury” or “extra” foods beside the basics,”

I don't believe the role of government is to DICTATE what you buy, whether is be hellcare or food. There is no way in hell that a person on food stamps is buying “luxury items” or “extra” stuff.

“means that they have TOO MUCH “MONEY” at their discretion.
Cut the amount they have to work with until they’re buying rice and beans and milk.

So instead YOU want to DICTATE what others buy?

How are you so much better than the GOVENRMENT dictating what is good for them and what they should buy? You're doing the same thing.

If the money runs out and they squander what LITTLE they get in food stamps, they'll wise up. I could care less if they drink water or sugary drinks. That is a personal choice and I do NOT believe it is up to the GOVERNMENT or YOU to determine what someone else consumes. I VALUE FREEDOM and that includes what you, I or someone on food stamps consumes.

I don't believe for one nano second that Michele Obama is up at nights worrying about obesity. It's ALL ABOUT CONTROL and TAKING AWAY FREEDOM. Don't you understand that YET? What does it take? Liberals use the SAME TACTIC each time. It's for the good of the kiddies ... that was also applied to abortion. Now it's food. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

31 posted on 10/07/2010 6:19:24 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Doogle

The problem with government issued food supplement, is that the recipients are given carte blanche with no guidlines for making the most of those dollars. EBT does not guarantee nutrition...it just guarantees access—to all kinds of wasteful junk. Supplements should cover only basic food group items (bread, meat, dairy, produce, flour and cereals) with no junked-out convenience crap—no snacks, no soda, no cash.
It should be a temporary program, not a multi-generational way of life. People should be uncomfortable in their poverty so they work to get OUT of it.
Provide limited but basic nutrition;
and it needs to come from the federal government, not some fascist mayor.
It’s your tax dollars-—you like buying pork rinds, grape soda, snack cakes and over salted boxed entrees to give as gifts?
Remember, they will most likely be the first in line for government healthcare—not you.


32 posted on 10/07/2010 6:20:00 AM PDT by two23 (Liberals Have Created a Culture of Lies)
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To: earlJam

I agree with you. They should be buying food with FOOD stamps. What the heck, I didn’t know they could buy soda with them anyway. They should be feeding their family.


33 posted on 10/07/2010 6:22:10 AM PDT by republicangel
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To: nmh

You wasted a huge rant agreeing with my post.

Let them choose what they buy with our money, but...

If the foodstamp recipients are choosing to buy foods other than basics, they are receiving too much.

I’m not trying to dictate what anyone buys,
but obviously, if they are buying shrimp, steak, pre-prepared foods, pie, and icecream,
they have “extra”.


34 posted on 10/07/2010 6:23:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: nmh
"It's ALL ABOUT CONTROL and TAKING AWAY FREEDOM."

Respectfully, just how much freedom comes with food stamps, section8 and government controlled healthcare?

What the government giveth, it can take away.

35 posted on 10/07/2010 6:29:20 AM PDT by two23 (Liberals Have Created a Culture of Lies)
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To: nmh

What you call freedom makes the people that have to pay for that freedom slaves.


36 posted on 10/07/2010 6:35:09 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: ozark hilljilly

“What an absurd idea! Just how does one intend to enforce it?”

There are already several restrictions on what can be bought with food stamps, etc. (No soap, etc, I believe). They’re enforced by the cashier at the register.

Nowadays, with the use of a swipe card instead of coupons, and every product having a bar code, I would think it would be easier and more fool proof yet.


37 posted on 10/07/2010 6:39:17 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: nmh
ThAT is not up to the government to determine. THAT is a personal choice on what is cut when times are tough. It’s all about CONTROL.

Are you kidding me? When you earn the money, yep, I agree with you. 100 percent.

When you accept tax payer funded "benefits" or relief, you lose your freedom. That's the big picture. The more uncomfortable and the less palatable looking to the government becomes the less people will turn to it.

38 posted on 10/07/2010 6:40:28 AM PDT by riri
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To: MrB
“You wasted a huge rant agreeing with my post.”

A “rant”? LOL. It's just conservative common sense and I do NOT agree with you.

“Let them choose what they buy with our money, but...”

The “but” is where we disagree.

“If the food stamp reciprients are choosing to buy foods other than basics, they are receiving too much.”

Not necessarily. If they want to use that money on something other than YOU approve of it does not compute that they are “getting too much”. You simply do NOT approve of how they are spending it.

“I’m not trying to dictate what anyone buys,”

You certainly ARE! From your reply, when a recprient goes beyond what YOU believe they should be buying on food stamps, than they are “receiving too much”. So you DO want to DICTATE what they can buy because you do NOT like what they are buying.

“but obviously, if they are buying shrimp, steak, pre-prepared foods, pie, and ice cream,
they have “extra”.”

Again, YOU are determining what the “extra” is. I don NOT agree with this. I do NOT want to DICTATE that buying “shrimp, steak, pre-prepared foods, pie, and ice cream, are “extra”. YOU want to DICTATE that buying these foods are “extra”.

BTW, it is highly unlikely that on FOOD STAMPS you are buying upend food. There simply isn't enough money for that. Food stamp people are not living on lobster tails, fillet mignon or expensive cheese cakes. What they typically do is buy JUNK FOOD that is cheap. Again THAT is up to them.

I buy junk food too and I'm not on food stamps. SOme days I feel like eating a Tastycake. So I buy it. If someone else wants to buy a Tastycake, it is NOT up to me to tell them "this is not a "basic", so you can NOT buy that." You'll become obese,now excuse me, while I consume, MY TASTYCAKE because I am not of food stamps.

So we DO NOT agree.

Again, I value freedom and do NOT want to DICTATE what others buy while on food stamps in hard times. If ice cream makes em feel good - great. I want people to have individual choices and not be dictated to by the government or you on what they are allowed to eat. Government does NOT know what is best and all this administration wants to do and fellow Demoncrats is to restrict freedom and control whoever they can.

39 posted on 10/07/2010 6:42:45 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
I'll give you something to think about.....in middle eastern countries there are classes design to help immigrants game the system. Right now for example: An Egyptian married couple with two kids,comes to this country,(given a stake by an Egyptian benefactor to immigrate, a loan *wink wink*) ...they file separately for welfare, each claiming two children, which will get you around, $36,000 in benefits EACH....in NJ for example,the male than gets a job in NYC driving a cab,(which he commutes to the city with a FREE transportation card provided) when he gets paid in cash by the EGYPTIAN cab owner he is told to tell relatives back home how well he is doing and how he has a job waiting for them. You see NOTHING IS CHECKED BY THE US GOVERNMENT, LOCAL OR FEDERAL......the LOANS, are then repayed back to the rich benefactors with tax payers money.... A friend of mine, who is of East Indian decent told me his wife knows of at least 6 couples in Jersey City NJ who work this scam like pro's.....NOTHING IS DONE TO STOP IT, NO INVESTIGATIONS,NO BACKGROUND CHECKS,...it will continue
40 posted on 10/07/2010 6:44:13 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: Doogle

Time to find out who the major suppliers of grape and orange soda are and short them.


41 posted on 10/07/2010 6:45:25 AM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: two23

see post #40


42 posted on 10/07/2010 6:45:50 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: riri
Frankly speaking we should get rid of food stamps, head start and all the other garbage hand out programs but in these economic times ... we can't. Decent people are now on them.

You pay for them whether they eat cupcakes or your APPROVED DIET for them. No one worth their salt stays on these programs. The fact is that there will always be a certain percentage of people on them - sometimes by no fault of their own.

So those that are worth their salt will get off this stuff asap. Those that aren't will continue on it.

43 posted on 10/07/2010 6:47:47 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Pessimist

Yes, I know.
But my customers who use EBT already know that and accept it.
Although I still do have the occasional plea to just add that pack of smokes to their groceries, I don’t give in. That would be putting my biz and family at risk.
Folks would have a hard time accepting a food restriction on their food card.

“Nowadays, with the use of a swipe card instead of coupons, and every product having a bar code”

That’s what I was saying. Big food stores could do this quite easily and do. Lil’ guys like me who still use manual registers and don’t use the bar codes system it would be just another bs hassle to us doing business. I have a swiper for card purchases, but I have to ring it up manually.


44 posted on 10/07/2010 6:48:47 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Had enough, yet?)
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To: nmh

OK, OK, you win.

They should be able to take 80% of my paycheck and spend it as they please with no input from me, the producer of the wealth that they are using.

You’re right, this is the only “freedom oriented” solution.


45 posted on 10/07/2010 6:49:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Doogle
You are talking about immigration.

YES, they are scamming the system. They'd been doing this for years. That has to change too but under Obama that will not happen. All these years Republicans did NOTHING.

Here's another common scam - buying citizenship through a phony marriage. Yes, in Patterson, that horrendous arm pit, they interview the “husband” and “wife” separately to see just how “married” they are. One purchases the “marriage” from the other in exchange for citizenship then they either annul it or “divorce”. Oh, during these separate interviews each interviewer asks very personal questions to see if this is a bought marriage. Even if it is a bought marriage there isn't much they can do about it.

Of course if you don't want to go through all that, you can buy phony citizenship papers. About ten years ago they ran about 15K. Who knows what they are up to now. All you have to do is go up to NY and you'll find just the right connections to make that happen. The documents look very good too.

Oh, in NJ all you need is a picture ID and a SS# to prove you are legal. That's really easy to get .... . Of course you have to lie, but you already made that decision to lie when you too the illegal path. Yes, I know all about this stuff. I was born here and legal of course but as a former NYer it's common knowledge.

46 posted on 10/07/2010 6:55:01 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: MrB

“They should be able to take 80% of my paycheck and spend it as they please with no input from me, the producer of the wealth that they are using.”

You lost the “input” when you turned it over to the GOVERNMENT.

Vote out the SOBS that ENCOURAGE being on the dole and stopping job creation.


47 posted on 10/07/2010 6:56:36 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Doogle

Do these idiots realize that most fruit juices have more calories and sugar than Coke does? If I were Coke I’d add vitamins and market it as “healthier than fruit juice”.


48 posted on 10/07/2010 6:57:39 AM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Doogle

Then they need to ban chips, cookies, and candy too.


49 posted on 10/07/2010 7:01:23 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I added Twinkies to the list. We should also stop paying got Oreos and Captain Crunch.


50 posted on 10/07/2010 7:01:50 AM PDT by earlJam
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