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NRA endorses Democrat Kurt Schrader
KDW TV in Oregon ^ | 10-7-2010 | Pat Dooris

Posted on 10/07/2010 8:23:57 AM PDT by Frantzie

SALEM -- The National Rifle Association has endorsed democrat Kurt Schrader for the 5th congressional district in Oregon.

(Excerpt) Read more at kgw.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: democrat; nra; oregon; soylentgreen
NRA backs another Democrat. They are trying to save the House for Islam aka Democrats.
1 posted on 10/07/2010 8:24:05 AM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie

The NRA can go pound sand. They need to stop calling me.


2 posted on 10/07/2010 8:24:40 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: GeronL

they can just go away. Since Charlton Heston left us, the NRA had changed.


3 posted on 10/07/2010 8:26:33 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Frantzie

There are plenty of bad republicans but there are NO good democrats. None. Not anymore.

I used to love the NRA. Now I’m glad I didn’t pay for a lifetime membership.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 8:27:55 AM PDT by jazminerose
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To: Frantzie

Unless something changes in the NRA’s current trajectory, I will NOT be renewing my membership when it expires...


5 posted on 10/07/2010 8:29:06 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: Frantzie

I wonder if the NRA extracted a pledge from this guy to never vote for a gun-grabber like Pelosi as Speaker. If they didn’t they wasted this endorsement.


6 posted on 10/07/2010 8:29:06 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: GeronL
Several years ago I saw how they started changing when they put their noses into Democratic races. I did not want to be a part of any group that will promote the taking away of the second most important amendment. I was right in my doubts.
7 posted on 10/07/2010 8:29:54 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: Frantzie

Every bit of mail I get from the NRA goes directly into the trash unopened. I let my membership lapse 3 years ago after they continued to support John Murtha.


8 posted on 10/07/2010 8:30:38 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Frantzie

NRA....National Rat Association.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 8:30:51 AM PDT by max americana (Hoax and Chains, Dopeychangey)
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To: Frantzie

Like many Chambers of Commerce, the NRA and other “conservative minded” organizations are outting themselves this year.....as the LIBERALS they are. They are bought.


10 posted on 10/07/2010 8:33:05 AM PDT by goodnesswins (f you don't support Obama, and the deconstruction of America: YOU are a RACIST.)
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To: Frantzie

That’s not going to help him get the vegan vote.

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veganpeace said on October 6, 2010 at 2:09 PM

The Prog/Green/Red/Statist/Vegan Movement sees beyond this sham! In a futile attempt to embarrass a Democrat, the terrorist NRA and its Hetonesque Nazi membership thinks it is being clever by ignoring the Neo-KKKon RethugliKKKan candidate and throws its fake support behind a progressive. We demand that Rep. Schrader make a public statement distancing himself from this charade. Better yet, sponsor a bill requiring the complete elimination of all firearms and abolishment of the anachronistic 2nd Amendment which is responsible for not only most crime, but the needless accidental deaths of millions of citizens annually- not to mention the murder of innocent wildlife through the unconscionable act of hunting.


11 posted on 10/07/2010 8:33:41 AM PDT by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: Frantzie
Ok...that does it. I try and remain friendly and active, but I am now withdrawing my membership in and support of the NRA. All will now go to Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
12 posted on 10/07/2010 8:37:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Good plan. It seems like every day the NRA endorses another 5 or more Dems.


13 posted on 10/07/2010 8:39:53 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Frantzie
Here is a letter that Aaron Zelman, founder of JPFO wrote to Ted Nugent, an outspoken supporter of Gun Rights and a Director on the Board of the NRA:

Dear Ted: First, I personally thank you for the valuable work you have done, and are doing, for the Second Amendment. You have used your talent, success, wit, and celebrity to fight for our freedoms.

Additionally, you are a member of the Board of Directors of the NRA. So this letter is directed to you in strictly that capacity.

Why? Because I believe that you will listen. And you have the standing and respect within the NRA to actually do something regarding the issues I’d like to bring to your attention.

We at JPFO recently received a letter from an angry and very articulate fellow who took the vast majority of gun owners to task for not being NRA members. He rightly points out that there are more than eighty million gun owners and only five million members of any pro-gun organization, the NRA obviously being the largest.

I read this fellow’s letter a couple of times, and could not fault him on his spirit or personal philosophy.

What bothered me was that he was asking me to join the NRA.

Ted, the day I’ll join the NRA is…

1. When the NRA announces, from the rooftops, that the police have NO LEGAL DUTY to protect the average American citizen. Time after time, our courts have upheld this. If every American understood this, we would see gun ownership, and Second Amendment awareness, burgeon across our nation. The tide would resolutely turn in our favor.

One of JPFO’s finest projects was the book “Dial 911 and Die”. It is meticulously documented with actual court cites.

Why didn’t the NRA, years ago, publish this material in a reader friendly format for nationwide distribution?

NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…

2. When the NRA aggressively presses to abolish all concealed carry permit laws.

Unregistered concealed carry has been no big issue in both Alaska and Vermont for decades. Arizona just passed unregistered concealed legislation. It’s time for the NRA to start swimming strongly with this tide. Yes, it’s a victory for gun owners when a State like Minnesota finally allows registered carry, but we must see it for what it still is: an un-Constitutional infringement on our G-d* given right to self defense, see: “The Ten Commandments of Self Defense”. It is also an obvious way to add more gun owner names to a list and database. (*Out of respect, observant Jews do not write out the name of the Almighty in secular texts.)

How has an unalienable right to self defense been demoted to a revocable government granted privilege?

NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…

3. When the NRA calls for the complete and unconditional disbanding of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE). Gun owners should be appalled at the NRA leadership’s incestuous “good cop/bad cop” dance with the BATFE. For decades there has been a symbiotic, and liberty threatening, “good ole’ boy” relationship between NRA and BATFE.

They should instead be mortal enemies.

The BATFE’s abuses are legion and despicable. These criminal acts crested like a bloody wave with the horrific deceit and treachery the agency displayed at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and then at Waco, Texas.

JPFO has produced a documentary about the BATFE called “The Gang” for which you kindly donated footage, showing you teaching teenagers how to use firearms safely. As you know, “The Gang” is not specifically about Ruby Ridge or Waco, it’s about how, with deliberate regularity, the BATFE criminally harasses honest gun owners.

Did you know that, back during the Administration of Ronald Reagan, President Reagan actually wanted to dismantle the then “BATF”? Who stopped him? The NRA! See this Time Magazine article that reports this hypocrisy.

The NRA has publicly stated that it wants to “work with” BATFE to punish the criminal use of guns, see: copy of NRA response letter. Let the local police, county sheriff, State police, or the FBI, do what they were assigned and sworn to do in the first place.

We don’t need these bucket headed, jack booted paramilitary goons playing cops in our lives.

And then there’s the firearms. This means “gun control”, and every single threat to our freedom that comes along with it.

On top of that, tobacco is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. Give that authority to the FDA. Explosives? Wasn’t that an FBI specialty already?

NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…

4. When the NRA soundly condemns, and works tirelessly to abolish, the “Gun Control Act of 1968”. NRA lawyers actually helped to write this piece of totalitarian legislation. JPFO was the first to expose “GCA ‘68” for what it was: a near carbon copy of the Nazi German gun laws of the 1930s. See: “Gun Control” Gateway to Tyranny.

The NRA needs to “man up” and confess that it made a terrible mistake here. It needs to go on an Obama style apology tour of every State, and personally confess this sin to American gun owners. And then repent.

Gun registration (brought to you by GCA ’68) is intolerable in a free society. In Nazi Germany, Jews were forced to identify themselves with a yellow star. In America, our citizens are forced to identify their ownership of firearms with a form called a “4473” and concealed weapon permits.

In Nazi Germany, Jews were forced to identify themselves with a yellow star.

Now, with the computer age fully entrenched in our society, a centralized database of all gun owners and their firearms’ serial numbers is just a mouse click away. The BATFE claims it would never do this. But they are already doing it with their phony ‘eTrace’ program. They actually share information about American gun owners with foreign governments! This could have ominous repercussions.

Let’s analyze why “GCA ‘68” even passed. It was because of the political assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. Without those three murders, the American people would have scoffed at the idea of national “gun control”. The highly emotionalized loss of the lives of three public figures, tragic though it was, created enough manipulated hysteria in this nation to essentially throw the Second Amendment out the window.

But what about the hundreds of thousands of brave Americans who have died fighting, generation after generation, to protect our Bill of Rights? Instead of standing firm in the face of this 1968 “gun control” travesty, when a far more conservative America could have been effectively rallied, the NRA got in bed with the gun prohibitionists and actually helped pen the legislation. See: “NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934″and GCA68.

NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…

5. When the NRA quits kowtowing to authoritarian police bureaucrats and takes a no compromise stand against the increasing paramilitarization of our local and State law enforcement agencies.

It’s time to quit building a standing army in America, masquerading as local SWAT teams and hooded “tactical units”. Federal money is lavishly splashed at these local law enforcement agencies. And, as we all know, payback day cannot be far away.

When push comes to shove, can we depend on local cops who have been suckling at the Federal teat, and attending Federal brainwashing seminars?

The NRA has to get in the face of all local police and ask them, point blank: “Will you ever assist in the disarming of the American citizenry?”

Any cop who answers in the affirmative must be drummed out of the ranks.

“To Protect and Serve” does not mean “To Disarm and Enslave”.

NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…

6. When the NRA assertively speaks to our active duty military personnel and respectfully (but emphatically) reminds them that any disarming of innocent Americans is a blatant and evil breach of their oath to uphold and protect our Constitution. The NRA needs to follow the lead of Oath Keepers in reaching out to both soldiers and cops.

That disgusting “czarette” Janet Napolitano, of Homeland Security, actually had the gall to imply that homecoming soldiers posed a threat because they could be “recruited” by “extremist” groups. The NRA should be at the top of that list of so-called “extremist” groups!

These hard line Leftists have to understand one thing: If forced to, we are unwilling to give them any quarter to protect our freedom. And every freedom loving American should expect that active duty soldiers, who have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic, will stand, gun in hand, by the side of The People if push ever comes to shove.

These hard line Leftists have to understand one thing: If forced to, we are unwilling to give them any quarter to protect our freedom.

NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…

7. When the NRA forcefully and persistently brings up the incontestable fact that every major genocide of the 20th Century was preceded by “gun control” policies. Disarmed millions became the victims of government sponsored or condoned mass murder.

What far too many American gun owners are so hesitant to face is that the greatest criminals in history have not been common street thugs. By a huge, huge factor, the greatest criminal element in modern history has been government-gone-bad.

The Founders didn’t pen the Second Amendment to protect us from muggers and rapists or burglars. That’s actually a secondary benefit. They penned the Second Amendment to protect us from our own government! See: “2A Today for The USA”.

At one time in America, this somber ideal was actually taught in public schools. Now a kid can’t even draw a picture of a gun or take a “Goody Gun” cookie to school for lunch. The insane poison of political correctness runs amok in our nation today.

Ted, you don’t put up with the p.c. garbage, why does the NRA?

NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…

8. When the NRA honestly and accurately “grades” politicians for their real position on the Second Amendment. Hillary Clinton’s and Charlie Schumer’s pet protégé Kirsten Gillibrand got an “A” rating from the NRA. This is insane.

Gillibrand is now on the band wagon for a reinstated “assault weapons” ban. The NRA: Suckered and betrayed once again.

Ted Nugent running for office gets an “A+” grade from the NRA. That’s the standard they must start with. We cannot grade on a bell curve when it comes to our freedom.

Our politicians must not simply be “pro gun”, they must be fervently pro Second Amendment. It is now time for zero tolerance for any form of “gun control”. Far too often, American gun owners have seen “A” graded politicians waffle and cave on gun law after gun law. If the NRA has to step away from any candidate to uphold our rights, so be it.

Millions of American gun owners will reject any candidate who betrays our G-d given right to defend our lives.

The time for any sort of compromise is over. We must now retrieve ground that has been lost to past retreats. It is time for the NRA to really start “walking the walk”. Radically downgrade every single politician who has betrayed us in any way in the past.

Ted, you have the clout and celebrity status to bring any or all of these issues directly to the NRA’s Board of Directors.

You can also, through your website and fan base, expose countless younger Americans to these critical matters.

It’s time to give the American people a very loud wake up call regarding their freedom. No one can say you are shy, Ted. Please, make some of that trademarked Nugent Noise over these crucial issues.

Sincerely, and Yours in Freedom,

Aaron Zelman

Founder and Director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.


14 posted on 10/07/2010 8:43:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Frantzie

Cue the NRA damage control crowd in 5...4...3...2...


15 posted on 10/07/2010 8:45:07 AM PDT by 1cewolf (Duty, honor, excellence.)
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To: smokingfrog

There’s so much wrong with that!

That could be one of us. It is so over the top, sounds like satire.


16 posted on 10/07/2010 8:46:58 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for that. Great letter by Aaron Zelman of JPFO.

I think the NRA will soon start talking about Islam’s “contribution” to the advances in firearms. The NRA is dead to me.


17 posted on 10/07/2010 8:49:46 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Frantzie
What's up with the NRA and their endorsements? They just endorsed the local incumbent demonrat against the republican challenger and I'm still trying to get my head around that.

Then again, I was t-boned in my truck on Tuesday by someone who ran a red light and I woke up in ER with a concussion, so it might be a while before I get my head around anything...especially their Allstate insurance rep's attitude.

18 posted on 10/07/2010 8:58:32 AM PDT by GBA (Not on our watch!)
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To: Frantzie

WHAT???!!!!! This guy is communist of the highest order. Wouldn’t even show up to townhalls last summer so I had to debate his picture that was taped to his empty chair. (no kidding) This is crap!!!! Scott Bruun is the man and this joker needs to go. I am pissed!!!!


19 posted on 10/07/2010 9:16:51 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Pretty soon everything in this country will be "free", except it's people!)
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To: Frantzie

Does the NRA really back demorats or is demorat propaganda. Who else is there out there that supports gun rights?


20 posted on 10/07/2010 9:18:48 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Frantzie

I sent the NRA a letter along with my cut up membership card today. Screw the NRA. They are now one with the enemy.


21 posted on 10/07/2010 9:20:41 AM PDT by GnL
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To: 84rules

That dog dont hunt. She counts the votes and than lets them vote no


22 posted on 10/07/2010 9:23:36 AM PDT by italianquaker (obama all hat no cattle)
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To: Frantzie; 84rules; cameraeye; Jeff Head; smokingfrog; goodnesswins; jazminerose

The correct endorsement for this race can be found at the link for Oregon Firearms Federation.

Link: http://oregonfirearms.org/2010candidates/2010%20fedprimary.pdf

Here is the letter I send back everytime the NRA asked for money.

The NRA has become disconnected from the concept of a country where the Second Amendment can retain a viable existence. Instead the is an organization which will make any compromise necessary to retain an appearance of power within the cohort of Washington’s elite. Your support for the son of McCain-Feingold, Harry Reid, and John McCain are just the most recent examples of your character. I could develop this subject in many areas, but I will limit your absence of correct analysis to McCain.

No conservative, no thinking person, and especially not the NRA, should ever have supported John McCain. I could give you expositions similiar to that below concerning your unfathomable support for Harry Reid, and legislation damaging free speech, which should always have priority over some misquided focus on single issue politics.

Besides his problems of granting amnesty to illegal aliens and restricting freedom of speech, he has proven himself severely deficient in the areas of national security and integrity.

John McCain lacks leadership for the War on Terror. His leadership codified the Army interrogation manual fabricating legal combatants from terrorists. His leadership granted terrorists American citizenship rights under Fifth, Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments. He thereby ensures information vital to defeat terrorists always remains sacred and unobtainable. Terrorists are unresponsive to direct questioning and psychological gambits. Therefore, interrogators need all stress and coercion techniques our military encounters in survival schools. McCain embraces liberal orthodoxy considering those methods torture, but his searing experiences call forth contrary insights he must suppress.

McCain understands the impossibility of fabricating an association of terrorists with Common Article Three of the Geneva Conventions, when they do participate in international armed conflict, lack pacific character in regard to hostilities, and do not meet any definition of legitimate armed forces. Instead he understands that Article 13 of the First and Second Geneva Conventions and Article Three of the Fourth Convention must be consulted. McCain knows terrorists are not insurgents or freedom fighters; when captured, certainly not prisoners of war. They are not armed forces, militias, or volunteer corps of any country or authority. These killers are not members of organized resistance movements carrying arms openly. They have no distinctive identifier. Terrorists cannot even qualify as spies or saboteurs destroying infrastructure required to support military operations.

McCain understands Geneva Conventions intended to isolate such forces, provide them few protections, and allow destruction with any overwhelming furies needed to crush their abominations. Knowing these factors he promised to close Guantanamo Bay, inviting terrorists into our legal system. He decided to accommodate their extraordinarily savage behavior within our country, and thereby checkmate national laws intended to manage simple murder and kidnapping, and render Posse Comitatus a crumbling deception.

McCain especially appreciates from our Constitution that laws guaranteeing civil liberties presuppose operation within an invincible society. He understands Alexander Hamilton’s words that the reality of devastating, unforeseeable perils must lead deliberations about national security. The primary responsibility of the Federal government’s three branches is to pursue Hamilton’s admonition that powers exist without limitation; providing capabilities thwarting looming dangers as well as responding to attacks. McCain understands powerful warfare capabilities require potent intelligence acquisition and exploitation before and throughout military campaigns.

The framers of our Constitution and the Geneva Conventions held powerful positions throughout the darkest times of our country and the world. They were our Founding Fathers, and parents and grandparents of the Greatest Generation. Their words expressed durable morality earned in our fight for freedom, and against the ultimate bloody deluges of the 20th century. These first generations expressed principles derived from confronting shattering tragedies, and earning peace through victory.

John McCain’s actions are particularly reprehensible because he turns a blind eye to the council of these people. McCain continually sought popular advancement on national security issues by actions which placated those coveting luxurious, asymmetrical morality requiring shelter from perilous choices and awareness of danger. His crime is the repudiating military and intelligence professionals facing hard choices when confronting shrewd, ruthless enemies obscured behind frightening uncertainties.

McCain in his reelection campaign again displayed a boundless absence of integrity as he followed the success of Bill Clinton, who cemented in politics for both parties the idea that character did not matter. There are no principles, but only ideas that secure possession of an office. John McCain has proven the most prominent Republican example of this new direction towards possession of political power through careful exploitation of perceived expediency.

Politics is the art of compromise and leadership is the art of principle. Abraham Lincoln used superb political skills to implement some of the most cogent and insightful principles to guide this nation. John McCain has used political skills to implement compromises consistent with increasing his personal acclaim among liberal media and politicians, and has now adapted his political skills to showcase an aura of conservative enlightenment to Arizona voters. Lincoln is now dead and McCain is alive, but dead to principles unrelated to his immediate personal advancement. He used this aspect of his character to proclaim profound revelations concerning the value of conservative principles. The charade convincing Arizona voters about the irrelevancy of his political history is just the most recent example of his habitual, reprehensible behavior.

John McCain has succumbed to the terrible addiction of political power. The same addiction expressed itself differently in fellow Navy officer Randy Cunningham, who was the Navy’s first Vietnam ace. Over the decades the honor and moral authority of both were gradually traded away for influence in the political arena. There is a vast, immeasurable gulf separating John McCain from the genuine people who dealt with the issues sponsoring the Geneva Conventions and our Constitution. He much more equates with the parasites now feeding upon the prosperity and security so painfully forged for their benefit. We now suffer imposters like him with such extraordinary mental athletic prowess as to scale unheard of heights of arrogance and studied ignorance and achieve unparalleled duplicity.

To me McCain is like a cadaver prepared for viewing. The removal of blood and organs equates to the trading away of honor and moral authority. The reputation that remains is like the cosmetics applied for viewing a corpse at the funeral. It is easy for anyone to get onto the same sort of gently downward sloping path. The final result is tragic, but we should not suffer such pathetic and contemptible modern day Macbeths or Hamlets as Republicans in the Senate or any other public office.

I could give you similar expositions to that concerning your unfathomable support for Harry Reid, and legislation damaging free speech, which should always have priority over some misquided focus on single issue politics. I am disgusted that people who should have a clear understanding of Constitutional principles and ethics could engage in such myopic, degraded Washington politics. Be assured you will never receive any help from me beyond the gun club membership payment I am compelled to make.

P.S.

I have saved this letter in a Word file titled “NRA Treason” and will return a copy of every request you send me for support.


23 posted on 10/07/2010 9:29:05 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Frantzie

http://gunowners.org/


24 posted on 10/07/2010 9:29:55 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: GnL

Its time for the gorillas to quick beating their chests and jumping around about this - I’m a NRA Life Member and they are right 99% of the time on the issues and the people they support. Don’t you or I wish we could be right 99% of the time on just about anything?

Quit whining about cutting up your NRA card over the 1% wrong and see if you can agree with the 99% right that they do in protecting our 2nd Amendment freedoms and supporting conservative candidates for public office.

Our 2nd Amendment freedoms would have probably been lost long ago without the NRA fighting in the trenches for us and future generations of Americans.

You will never be happy with any group or any person if you only expect 100% perfection all the time - the only exception is Almighty God.


25 posted on 10/07/2010 9:31:07 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: Frantzie; 84rules; cameraeye; Jeff Head; smokingfrog; goodnesswins; jazminerose

Yes. I know I created some wording problems in this posting and I fixed them. Darn.

I am mailing a revised letter to Ted Nugent.


26 posted on 10/07/2010 9:51:31 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Lions Gate

I don’t expect 100% agreement. Nor do I expect them to be spending my money to help keep Nancy Pelosi in power. If you like her, that’s your business. I don’t. This is a pretty important election for a lot of reasons, in case you hadn’t noticed. It looks to me like the NRA is actively working AGAINST what I believe. If I can’t count on them at times like this, when can I count on them?

I’m sorry you are blinded by your allegiance. There are other rights organizations that do good work and don’t stab me in the back when I’m not looking.


27 posted on 10/07/2010 10:08:25 AM PDT by GnL
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To: Frantzie

Every DemonRatwill vote to confirm Supreme court Justices like Bryer, Ginsberg, Sotomayor, and Kagan WHO WILL VOTE AGAINST THE SECOND AMENDMENT!!!

What happened to the NRA?????? When Heston was there, they scared the hell out of the DemonRats. In the 90s they were awesome. Looks like we need another organization to look after gun rights.


28 posted on 10/07/2010 10:10:13 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Retain Mike

You have said what needs to be said. Thank you for such a great insight into the truth. God bless our troops!


29 posted on 10/08/2010 11:26:48 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: cameraeye

Thank you. I will keep trying on this issue.


30 posted on 10/08/2010 11:59:29 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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