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Don't expect us to pay benefits for unlimited babies, says minister
Daily Mail ^ | 4:19 PM on 7th October 2010 | By Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 10/07/2010 9:05:46 AM PDT by Niuhuru

A Cabinet minister was branded 'abhorrent' today after saying that the state should not provide limitless support to benefits claimants with large families. Campaigners reacted with fury after the Culture

Secretary Jeremy Hunt savaged the policy of sizeable handouts totalling more than the average household earns. Mr Hunt claimed that the Government's proposed cap on benefits reflected the need for claimants to 'take responsibility' for their children.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: babies; benefits; benefitsclaimants; britain; campaigners; culture; families; handout; household; policy; uk; welfare
Common sense! Britain is its issues, but they at least admit and face that they have a problem.
1 posted on 10/07/2010 9:05:49 AM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Niuhuru

Atlas Shrugged (getting to be monotonous how much reality is coming to ape this book)

The car company that went socialist - every baby born to an employee became looked at as a burden, not a joy.


2 posted on 10/07/2010 9:08:30 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Niuhuru

Who branded him abhorrent?

The people who have too many kids and are getting the checks, or those who have to chip in to pay for the little Bastids?


3 posted on 10/07/2010 9:08:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Niuhuru

Common Sense is “abhorrent” in the Land of Eng, a farcical habitat.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 9:12:55 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Niuhuru

Even Spain cut back on their baby payouts


5 posted on 10/07/2010 9:13:10 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Niuhuru

‘The breakfast supplied by the council isn’t like proper hot food. It’s usually eggs, beans, tinned tomatoes and cereal, which isn’t really enough for us all and we have to heat it up ourselves.’

The horror! :O


6 posted on 10/07/2010 9:13:24 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Niuhuru
Great Britain and other countries in Europe are finally getting it! There is no such thing as free benefits!!!
7 posted on 10/07/2010 9:13:53 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Niuhuru

Let’s see if this fellow has the balls to stick to his guns.

The same attack format is used here: a candidate/politician makes a common-sense comment about an ridiculous entitlement. The response is strident and shrill with claims of racism or callousness.

Said politician then usually backs-down OR - they fight it and engage in debate. They are often frightened into backing-down, because the media is instant and loud, while honest debate and support usually take slightly longer to reveal themselves.


8 posted on 10/07/2010 9:14:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: DManA
Too many entitlements and no incentives... yes... every baby is a burden...

No entitlements and the incentive for self-survival and even the incentive to get ahead with the sky as a limit...and every baby is a joy and benefit to society.

The difference between socialism and free market capitalism.

9 posted on 10/07/2010 9:15:54 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Patrick Henry and Joe Wilson...Patriots past and present!)
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To: Niuhuru
I thought the point of the payments was to increase the birth rate.... why would they care how many kids a particular person has, shouldn't they just be happy that their program to increase the number of children worked?
10 posted on 10/07/2010 9:16:20 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Niuhuru; All

Here’s the unspoken backstory, y’all:

They obligingly show a picture of the nice Anglo family with all those kids — but the FACT is that in Britain (as in the US and the rest of Europe), the birth rate for Anglos is not too high, but too LOW. (<2 per couple; won’t even sustain the culture over time.)

By far the largest number of outsized families in Britain (and throughout Europe) are “Asian”. That is to say, MUSLIM.

...and now you know the REST of the story.


11 posted on 10/07/2010 9:17:41 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Niuhuru

Socialism destroys everything. They could have solved every national problem by sticking to a free society, encouraging unselfish behavior, and relying on voluntary acts of charity to help the poor. This led to nothing but prosperity in the USA.

Britain is so far gone into corruption and insanity that anyone who raises a child there is a total fool. They wonder why the children grow up to be “Chaves” when they hit the teen years. British children have nothing to look forward to but misery, slavery, disease, and death.


12 posted on 10/07/2010 9:19:03 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Nervous Tick

Britain is already a Muslim country. Europe is a Muslim continent. Whenever leftists take over, so do their other murderous buddies.

If native Brits want to have kids, they should move to a free country. They are already refugees in their own nation.


13 posted on 10/07/2010 9:22:55 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: ThomasMore
Too many entitlements and no incentives... yes... every baby born to a entitlement leech is a burden to hardworking taxpayers...

sorry for the adjustment but my babies are not a burden to me or any other hardworking taxpayer.

14 posted on 10/07/2010 9:23:05 AM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: Niuhuru

Everywhere that has social programs is going to be forced t do this.A family with 10 kids should not get anymore than one with 2 because contrary to what the liberals think Wefare queens will have more for the benefits and not give it a secnd thought.If limits were put in place you’d rapidly see a decline in the birthrate of the welfare class.


15 posted on 10/07/2010 9:27:06 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

How ‘bout a lifetime cap on entitlements? They can have as many kids as they want, but it just makes their bennies run out faster...


16 posted on 10/07/2010 9:30:50 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Well, now the immigrants will have to PAY for their children and not be able to mooch. I am sure more native born Brits will be born once they aren’t breaking their backs to support one bunch after another.


17 posted on 10/07/2010 9:32:49 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: PGR88

The minister won’t. Too many murderous taxpayers out there who would string him up if he did relent.


18 posted on 10/07/2010 9:33:55 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: wmileo

Oh the people knew that, just not the politicians.


19 posted on 10/07/2010 9:37:06 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

Secretary Jeremy Hunt savaged the policy of sizeable handouts totalling more than the average household earns
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Same thing in the US...

It pays more to get welfare etc for a large family than go to work...

The benefitsa go on and on...

Free medical, dental, school lunches even in the summer...

Free outings, entertainment for the kids...

Put on lots of free Christmas presen, Angel tree, new clothing lists etc from churches and organizations..

How many new bicycles does a child need ???

But the struggling family that works ???

Nada...

No free anything...


20 posted on 10/07/2010 9:37:34 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Nervous Tick

By far the largest number of outsized families in Britain (and throughout Europe) are “Asian”. That is to say, MUSLIM.
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Muslims with their limit of FOUR wives plus FOUR lots of kids...

Wasnt there a move a while back to limit how many wives a muslim could claim and get bennies for in Britian ???


21 posted on 10/07/2010 9:41:28 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Nervous Tick

The Muslims find countries with generous welfare systems,
then move there and start having huge families, 8+ children, in order to affect the demographics,
and eventually have a voting majority to take over the
country without firing a shot.


22 posted on 10/07/2010 9:50:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB; Tennessee Nana

Well, with this and other measures, I suppose they’ll have to return to Saudi Arabia, or Africa and go back to relying on foreign aid.


23 posted on 10/07/2010 9:56:27 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: nodumbblonde

” and we have to heat it up ourselves.’”

Mentality of dependency.


24 posted on 10/07/2010 9:57:19 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

I don’t know where I read it or heard it, but the gene pool in Europe has been devastated over the years. The true warriors with a will to fight were all killed off in wars and now Europe and the UK are left with a bunch of sniveling liberals. The only part of Europe that still has strong genes are the Eastern Europeans although the Russian warriors were greatly diminished.

I guess that is why I cringe at casualty reports. We are losing some of our best in the Middle East.


25 posted on 10/07/2010 10:19:36 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: lone star annie

If our politicians were more results oriented, then I am sure that we would have won this years ago.


26 posted on 10/07/2010 10:35:42 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru
I READ WHERE THE OVERWELMING MAJORITY OF LARGE FAMILIES IN GB ARE MUSLIM FOREIGNERS. THEY ARE LIVING OFF EUROPEAN WELFARE STATES AND SUPPLYING THE SOLDIERS OF ALLAH TO TAKE OVER AND BUILD A ISLAMIC PARADISE!!!

I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN HERE BUT NOT FOR THE LACK OF TRYING BY THE DEMOCRATS!!!

27 posted on 10/07/2010 10:41:39 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: lone star annie
"although the Russian warriors were greatly diminished."

From what I have read, the Military of the Russian Republic will be majority Muslim by 2016 and the rest of the country by 2040. That sounds outrageous but the demographic trends don't lie.

28 posted on 10/07/2010 10:44:44 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo

That is down right scary. The only thing left to fight them off are the drunken soccer fans.


29 posted on 10/07/2010 10:47:21 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: Nervous Tick

Nope.

Asian here can mean Oriental OR those from the Indian sub continent, and of the latter, that can just as easily mean Hindu or Sikh as it does Muslim. In fact Asian to most British and Irish means the former: Hong Kong Chinese, Thais, Koreans etc.

Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims from India, Pakistan or Bangladesh are usually referred to coming from ‘the Indian sub continent’ or simply the single country of origin.


30 posted on 10/07/2010 2:56:34 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Soothesayer

Oh dear.

Why is so many Americans believe so much rubbish?. The Muslim population of Britain is 3%. Yet I read posts here which tell me that 25% of Britain is Muslim.

Being overly PC to a minority dosent mean that minority has somehow conquered that country.


31 posted on 10/07/2010 2:58:44 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Soothesayer

‘Britain is so far gone into corruption and insanity that anyone who raises a child there is a total fool. They wonder why the children grow up to be “Chaves” when they hit the teen years. British children have nothing to look forward to but misery, slavery, disease, and death.’

Hysterical drivel.

Oh, and its spelled ‘chavs’.


32 posted on 10/07/2010 3:00:09 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: lone star annie

Perhaps you should stop reading rubbish and come over to Britain and actually see the country and the people for yourself. You know, you might just be surprised that we arent the third world hellhole you think we are.


33 posted on 10/07/2010 3:02:01 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Then why did you British let your once great country go to hell? We are fighting back over here and I suggest you start doing the same. Instead of fighting it, your people took what was dished out to you by the liberals and commies in your country.

Where are the protests when an immigrant from BFE or wherever comes to your country and gets a free mansion on the taxpayer because she has 6 kids? Yeah that is great when a hard working man who works in a factory can barely afford a coldwater flat because of paying taxes so someone can live in a mansion.

I have been to England and love its rich history and people because that is my history too. However, I am saddened by what I see as a captitulation. Time for a Tea Party there.


34 posted on 10/07/2010 3:22:14 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: Nervous Tick

Asian in Britain = Indian sub continent origin. ie Muslims AND hindus.


35 posted on 10/08/2010 4:20:21 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: lone star annie

Stop worrying. The proposition is a total load of twaddle. Genetics doesn’t work like that.


36 posted on 10/08/2010 4:23:51 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: the scotsman

They can’t do that...their beloved leader has warned them against traveling to Europe...


37 posted on 10/08/2010 4:27:37 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: the scotsman
The most popular name for a new born male in London (as in the London in Great Britain which is in the UK) is Mohammad.

That's Mohammad as in Mohammad Allah Akbar and all infidels can go straight to hell (or Inverness as far as the Islamofacists with first names like Mohammad are concerned).

And if you tell me that I have spelled Inverness or any other word incorrectly, then I say don't chance the subject and deal with the situation!!!

In the U.S. of A., if the guys with first names like Mohammad want to take us over they will have to fight to the last Mexican to get there!!!

38 posted on 10/08/2010 9:12:48 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo

Not its not.

That myth came from tabloid misreadings of the Office of National Statistics figures on British forenames.

I keep seeing this myth and despite ssaying its not true on FR, up it pops.


39 posted on 10/08/2010 2:55:25 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman
I have seen this in other sources. All of Western Europe, not just the UK will be majority Muslim by the end of this Century. Some Countries will be there in less than 40 years. It is only a matter of time.

If you don't have enough faith in the future to have children, the future will belong to those who do. Demographics don't lie like Politicians.

40 posted on 10/08/2010 4:44:25 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo

Its not true.

That name IS the most popular amongst British Muslims, but its neither the top name in London or the UK. I can assure you of that. The top names are still good Anglo-Saxon/Celtic names like Jack, John etc.

As for population, 3-4% of the UK is Muslim (and that includes white and black converts). Britain and Europe (even France) will NOT become majority Muslim in this century or ever.


41 posted on 10/09/2010 2:58:17 AM PDT by the scotsman
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