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Anti-whaling activist says Sea Shepherd sank its own ship
AFP ^ | Oct 7, 2010

Posted on 10/07/2010 9:23:46 AM PDT by george76

A former Sea Shepherd activist on Thursday accused the militant conservation group of deliberately sinking one of its own ships as a publicity stunt after a collision with a Japanese whaler.

New Zealander Pete Bethune labelled Sea Shepherd's leadership "morally bankrupt" for allegedly ordering the hi-tech trimaran "Ady Gil" to be scuttled after it collided with a Japanese whaler last January in the Southern Ocean.

Bethune, the Ady Gil's captain, said Sea Shepherd founder Paul Watson ordered the ship's sinking to "garner sympathy with the public and to create better TV" in the publicity battle against Japan's Antarctic whaling program.

"It was definitely salvageable, it was still rock solid from the engine room back," he told Radio New Zealand.

Bethune, who spent five months in custody in Japan earlier this year after illegally boarding the same whaler "Shonan Maru II" a month after the high-seas collision, said he had cut all ties with Sea Shepherd.

"I think an organisation that relies on public money and public generosity to survive has an obligation to be honest," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nz.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adygil; ecoterrorism; ecoterrorist; ecoterrorists; greenieweenies; greenpeace; paulwatson; pirates; pravdamedia; seashepherd; terrorist; watson; whalers; whalewars; whaling

1 posted on 10/07/2010 9:23:50 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

They are engaging in piracy on the open seas. Eco-terrorism.

Such a stunt would not come as a surprise.


2 posted on 10/07/2010 9:25:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: george76
"I think an organisation that relies on public money..."

Should be defunded and forced to operate under the law.

3 posted on 10/07/2010 9:26:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: george76

I’ve watched a couple of episodes of “Whale Wars” just for the train-wreck entertainment factor. These people are their own worst enemy and when (not if, WHEN) that POS boat sinks because of their own ineptitude and they all either drown or freeze to death, I’ll not shed a single tear. As a sailor I learned very early on that if you don’t give the sea the respect she demands, she’ll take it out on you. Every. Single. Time.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 9:26:45 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: a fool in paradise

It’s all about public perception and publicity and has nothing to do with enviromentalism or humanitarianism. Like global warming, another phoney front for the left is exposed.


5 posted on 10/07/2010 9:28:17 AM PDT by Spok (Is it RINO season yet?)
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To: OCCASparky

The Japanese should be mounting .50 calibers on their ships. When these morons approach a few rounds across the bow as a warning, then a full belt into the wheelhouse.


6 posted on 10/07/2010 9:28:23 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Pinging you on a Hippies Failing Badly!™ topic.
7 posted on 10/07/2010 9:28:26 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! Oot piffoo blaboo...)
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To: george76
Bethune ... after illegally boarding the same whaler "Shonan Maru II"
That should have been the end of him - bang!
8 posted on 10/07/2010 9:28:51 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: george76

I think we already knew this. They rammed the fishing vessel on purpose for crying out loud.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 9:29:00 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yep!

Their “ends justify the means” mentality is getting real old.

I wouldn’t blame any skipper on the open seas to sink every one of this mobs vessels.

I sure won’t feel any sympathy for them either.


10 posted on 10/07/2010 9:29:25 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Paul Watson is a wanted eco-terrorist already


11 posted on 10/07/2010 9:29:35 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Howie66

Sink them and shut up, nobody has to know.


12 posted on 10/07/2010 9:30:52 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: GeronL

Roger, that.


13 posted on 10/07/2010 9:32:27 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: GeronL

"ELAAAAAINE!!!" < /seinfeld >

14 posted on 10/07/2010 9:33:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: jazusamo; GladesGuru; proud_yank; tubebender; LucyT

Sea Shepherd deliberately sinking its own ships as a publicity stunt .


15 posted on 10/07/2010 9:34:00 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

“...hi-tech trimaran “Ady Gil”...”

That thing should have been sunk just for being FUGLY!


16 posted on 10/07/2010 9:34:49 AM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: OCCASparky; wagglebee

Cable tv has a reality show about ecoterrorists thwarting the whalers, endangering the lives of all involved on both sides.

Has anyone pitched them a program about pro-life activists protesting abortionists?


17 posted on 10/07/2010 9:35:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Pan_Yan

ping


18 posted on 10/07/2010 9:36:01 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: george76
Paul Watson didn't want to stop chasing the whalers to tow the water-filled Ady Gill 5-7 days back to port and cut it loose.

Paul Watson is an idiot and I'm surprised he hasn't killed one of the moron volunteers he takes aboard.

The damn thing was not salvageable at all.

Pete is pissed because Paul Watson threw him under the bus when he was arrest and did jail time in Japan for boarding one of their Japanese harpoon/security ships.

19 posted on 10/07/2010 9:36:35 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: george76

Bethune has confirmed what any reasonable person already knew.

Of course Watson is as pure as the new fallen snow, he told us so himself. LOL!

That psycho should be put behind bars before he ends up killing a lot of people.


20 posted on 10/07/2010 9:39:19 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76

I simply don’t understand why whale ships aren’t armed and defending themselves from these idiots. Its happening in international waters, and isn’t much different than whats happening off the coast of Somalia.

That said, a friend of mine told me he watches the cable show about these idiots. I was stunned, and asked ‘Why?!’

He said each episode ends in failure, the whaling ships continue, the idiots get injured, sometimes their boats sink, and they are always frustrated.

Good point....(laughing)


21 posted on 10/07/2010 9:40:24 AM PDT by Badeye (I can see NOVEMBER from My HOUSE.)
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To: george76

It’s an old trick in the revolutionary’s playbook.


22 posted on 10/07/2010 9:42:36 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: a fool in paradise
Has anyone pitched them a program about pro-life activists protesting abortionists?

That would be interesting:

Scene I

Pro-Life Activist: "Our Father, Who art in Heaven ..."

Abortionist: "%^#@#^*() *&^%$- ())&*$%#% )(*()& $#$%#%$ !!!!!!!!"

Scene II:

[Obviously pregnant woman approaches]

Pro-Life Activist: "Ma'am, would you like to have some information about your baby?"

Abortionist: "%^#@#^*() *&^%$- ())&*$%#% )(*()& $#$%#%$ !!!!!!!!"

23 posted on 10/07/2010 9:42:55 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Badeye; Revolting cat!; The Comedian
That said, a friend of mine told me he watches the cable show about these idiots. I was stunned, and asked ‘Why?!’ He said each episode ends in failure, the whaling ships continue, the idiots get injured, sometimes their boats sink, and they are always frustrated.

Sounds like the plot of every Gilligan's Island.


24 posted on 10/07/2010 9:45:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: OCCASparky
I agree 100%. ...they are comical and sad.

Paul Watson will get someone killed.

The Steve Irwin is not double-hulled and should not even be in the Antartic.

'The Price Is Right' Bob Barker donated/bought the Sea Sheppard's a double-hull to give them a 2nd ship.

Japan should deal with them as Pirates, no different from the Somali pirates of Africa.

25 posted on 10/07/2010 9:45:27 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
no different from the Somali pirates of Africa.

One worships Mohammed, the other Gaia.

26 posted on 10/07/2010 9:46:34 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: george76
New Zealander Pete Bethune labeled Sea Shepherd's leadership "morally bankrupt" for allegedly ordering the hi-tech trimaran "Ady Gil" to be scuttled after it collided with a Japanese whaler last January in the Southern Ocean.

Imagine my surprise.

Bethune, obviously, has found he is no longer of use to Paul Watson, and has received the standard treatment Marxists give to useful idiots, so he drops a dime on Watson. I'll bet he wasn't smart enough to record the order, Japan would have rewarded him and Watson would be in a Japanese jail.

27 posted on 10/07/2010 9:46:46 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: george76

Aren’t they using this fraud to raise funds in the USA? So, isn’t fraud a felony?


28 posted on 10/07/2010 9:47:18 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: george76
"It was definitely salvageable, it was still rock solid from the engine room back," he told Radio New Zealand.

I've seen the video of the Japanese ship running into the Ady Gil. Even the Japanese video clearly shows them hitting the ship. I also don't doubt that Bethune made the statement above. However, the incident was over a 1000 miles from the nearest ship that could tow the boat to port. I think it is doubtful that the Sea Sheppard could have affected a successful tow to any port, so the decision was made to scuttle the Ady Gil, partly because it could pose a navigation hazard until it did sink.

Bethune built the ship with his own money and you could tell by the video taken at the time how upset he was. However, this article appears to want you to think that the sinking was purely motivated by seeking sympathy for their cause. I really doubt that. There was simply no way to tow the ship for repairs and they couldn't let it wallow about until Nature sent her to the bottom. I'm uncertain as to why Bethune is making a stink now, months after the incident occurred.

29 posted on 10/07/2010 9:49:08 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Have you seen the video of the Ady Gil getting run over, losing its bow, on YouTube?

Pete is lucky he didn't get himself and his crew killed.

30 posted on 10/07/2010 9:50:15 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: george76
"I think an organisation that relies on public money and public generosity to survive has an obligation to be honest" he said.

I see a faint flicker of enlightenment in that statement. Imagine his surprise when he learns about the damage Rachel Carson has caused.

31 posted on 10/07/2010 9:52:14 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: a fool in paradise

It does.

And a fact related to the three year run of Gilligans Island.

It won its time slot all three years. And then was cancelled.


32 posted on 10/07/2010 9:54:58 AM PDT by Badeye (I can see NOVEMBER from My HOUSE.)
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To: george76
"Bethune, the Ady Gil's captain, said Sea Shepherd founder Paul Watson ordered the ship's sinking to "garner sympathy with the public and to create better TV" in the publicity battle against Japan's Antarctic whaling program"

Right. So Watson 'Svengali'd' the Ady's Captian to sink his own ship, for "better TV", then never aired the footage.....Right. I'm certain Bethune has remorse for his involvement, this sounds like a load of sour grapes.

33 posted on 10/07/2010 10:00:04 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: econjack
I'm uncertain as to why Bethune is making a stink now, months after the incident occurred.

Read it again. He was in a Japanese jail for the last 5 months.
34 posted on 10/07/2010 10:11:06 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: KarlInOhio
Here's the long, long version:

Pete Bethune Blasts Sea Shepherd In Online Letter Of Resignation (Ady Gil not sunk by Japanese)"

and here's the nasty emails between Bethune and Watson:

Sea Shepherd Emails That Started Online ‘War Of Words’ Released

Since it's information that's already posted I don't think I"ll ping everyone.

35 posted on 10/07/2010 10:13:55 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: george76

Yeah... I wondered how damage to one of the trimeran’s three hulls could have sunk it...


36 posted on 10/07/2010 10:14:12 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: a fool in paradise
Sounds like the plot of every Gilligan's Island.

GI had better looking females...

37 posted on 10/07/2010 10:36:30 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Badeye
He said each episode ends in failure, the whaling ships continue, the idiots get injured, sometimes their boats sink, and they are always frustrated

I saw the trailers for this show and thought, "No way I'd watch this crap."

However, you do make a convincing argument in favor of checking it out. :-)

38 posted on 10/07/2010 11:09:13 AM PDT by wbill
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To: GeronL

I’ve watched several seasons of the show now. I’m not a fan of the Sea Shepard’s, and in fact do find them pretty inept most of the time.

However - I think there are few points that are indisputable concerning the sinking of the Andy Gil.

1) The entire crew of the Andy Gil was on the back portion of the ship when the collision occurred because they were out of gas. They were un-powered, so couldn’t move.

2) The Andy Gil was rammed by the Japanese vessel which was powered, i.e. could navigate and turn out of the way if the Japanese Captain had wanted too.

3) The Japanese vessel had been previously attacked by the Andy Gil with a Spud gun.

Conclusions I draw from this are that the Japanese vessel intentionally ran over them to destroy the ship. It was an opportunity to get revenge - and the Japanese did.

Now - the “intentional” sinking of the vessel has to be put into proper context. It was a floating hulk. You COULD call it a hazard to navigation possibly. It literally was cut in two by the collision.

Further - the guy making this statement is a wild-eyed fanatic (just like the rest of the Sea Shepard bunch..) with an axe to grind because his 2 million dollar baby got wiped out.

I don’t like the Sea Shepard operation - but then I don’t like the Japanese whaling either. This time - the Japanese are the blame. (Can’t say that often!)


39 posted on 10/07/2010 11:19:20 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: george76

Some of the stunts they have pulled they are very lucky tht some ship hasn’t opened fire on them as pirates.


40 posted on 10/07/2010 11:29:33 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: TalonDJ
Read it again. He was in a Japanese jail for the last 5 months.

I did read it and was aware of that. However, he was not in jail five months before that and didn't posit this position at that time. I'm just wondering what changed it. Could it be part of the terms of his release?

41 posted on 10/07/2010 11:30:04 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: fremont_steve

I’d also add to that that the 2 million dollar boat was financed by mortaging the guys home in Australia.I watched the episode where he was talking about how he had to break it to his family (wife and kids) about the house.


42 posted on 10/07/2010 11:38:45 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: wbill

I know...but when I actually watched, it was HILARIOUS if you think these zealots are idiots.

The whalers ALWAYS get the whale. The zealots always get thwarted.

The ‘added value’ is once every three episodes, one of the zealots gets hurt. And once a season, they end up adrift at sea in lifeboats.

Pop some popcorn, fix a cold beverage, and enjoy.


43 posted on 10/07/2010 11:42:05 AM PDT by Badeye (I can see NOVEMBER from My HOUSE.)
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To: fremont_steve

I could care less if the Japanese ship did attack them. They deserved it and too bad it didn’t kill all the hippies on board. They are acting like pirates and acting illegally. The Japanese have a right to do their whaling as this is part of their economy and legal in their country. So they should be able to do so without molestation.

Sounds like we have a bunch of semi-hippie anti-whaling people on FR. They won’t find many friends here. Better go cry on MoveON.


44 posted on 10/07/2010 11:43:46 AM PDT by RickB444 (Beat your sword into plowshares, but wined up plowing the fields of someone who kept their sword.)
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To: fremont_steve

“I don’t like the Sea Shepard operation - but then I don’t like the Japanese whaling either.”

The Japanese told me to tell you that they don’t like your cattle/goat/sheep farming. They will shortly be sending anti-cattling activists on ATVs to disrupt your cow slaughter. Failing that, they’re going to start hijacking Dorito trucks. They do not approve.

I bet you have a chunk of meat stuck somewhere in your teeth while you’re lecturing others on not harming whales. And if you don’t, and you’re a vegetarian...then untold millions of rodents die to raise your arugula.

I eat meat. It is delicious. Since I consume flesh, I don’t feel like I’m morally able to tell others what to do for their sustenance.


45 posted on 10/07/2010 11:46:22 AM PDT by Spike Knotts
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To: fremont_steve
However - I think there are few points that are indisputable concerning the sinking of the Andy Gil.

indisputable, I do not think the word means whay you think it means

1) The entire crew of the Andy Gil was on the back portion of the ship when the collision occurred because they were out of gas. They were un-powered, so couldn’t move.

What generated the prop wash at the rear of the Ady Gil Sea Pixies?
Maybe the crew were at Ramming Stations

2) The Andy Gil was rammed by the Japanese vessel which was powered, i.e. could navigate and turn out of the way if the Japanese Captain had wanted too.

Camera view down the starboard side of the Japanese vessel shows no sign of a wake. It was turning to port, away from the Ady Gil

3) The Japanese vessel had been previously attacked by the Andy Gil with a Spud gun.

And this means?

Conclusions I draw from this are that the Japanese vessel intentionally ran over them to destroy the ship. It was an opportunity to get revenge - and the Japanese did.

Leaping to an unwarranted conclusion. Have you considered a job with the MSM?

46 posted on 10/07/2010 12:23:46 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Pardon him...he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe ... are the laws of nature)
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To: george76

Let’s see - the captain of the damaged ship scuttles it.

But there were survivors. Baaad captain!


47 posted on 10/07/2010 1:21:52 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: george76
I'd be glad to help.


48 posted on 10/07/2010 10:08:12 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: fremont_steve

Any skipper who “runs out of gas” that far out to sea is lucky to be alive. He is an idiot no matter how ye slice it.


49 posted on 10/08/2010 12:11:40 AM PDT by i get it
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To: Oztrich Boy

At least I don’t go by a monicker that suggests I have my head in the sand. I’ve viewed the videos and don’t see what you do. I have a different opinion.

Oh well.


50 posted on 10/09/2010 4:10:47 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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