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U.S. Army Upgrades To .300 Winchester Magnum
StrategyPage.com ^ | October 07, 2010

Posted on 10/07/2010 9:55:41 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright

October 7, 2010: The U.S. Army has ordered 3,600 upgrade kits for its M24 bolt-action sniper rifles, which will convert them to the M24E1. This will turn the existing 7.62mm M24 rifles into ones capable of firing the .300 Winchester magnum (7.62x67) round. This is a more powerful round than the NATO 7.62x51 round currently used in the M24. The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock. The conversion will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle.

Last year, the army ordered 38.4 million rounds of .300 Winchester magnum ammunition for its newly modified M-24 sniper rifles, as well as similar SOCOMs Mk13 models. The new ammo costs about $1.30 per round. The .300 Winchester magnum ammo is ordered in minimum lots of 56,160 rounds (117 boxes of 480 rounds each). The entire 38.4 million rounds will last a while.

All this is in response to requests from snipers for a longer range weapon, but not one as bulky and heavy as the 13.6 kg (30 pound) .50 caliber/12.7mm  rifle (which is good to about 2,000 meters). Thus the army is modifying existing M24 rifles to fire the more powerful .300 Winchester Magnum round. It was felt that this gave the snipers all the additional range they needed, without requiring a much heavier rifle. SOCOM has been using this approach since the early 1990s.

The calls were loudest from snipers operating in Afghanistan, where U.S. Army and Marine Corps shooters wanted a sniper rifle that can consistently get kills out to 1,800 meters. The current 7.62mm round was good only to about 800 meters. The 300 Winchester magnum is a more powerful, but not much larger, round than the current 7.62mm one. An improved version of the magnum round is expected to extend that range another 200 meters or so.

There was another option, and that was to replace the barrel and receiver of the M24 sniper rifles to handle the .338 (8.6mm) Lapua Magnum round. Thus you still have a 17 pound sniper rifle, but with a round that can hit effectively out to 1,600 meters or more. British snipers in Iraq, and especially Afghanistan, have found the Lapua Magnum round does the job at twice the range of the standard 7.62x51mm round. The 8.6mm round entered use in the early 1990s, and became increasingly popular with police and military snipers. Dutch snipers have used this round in Afghanistan with much success, and have a decade of experience with these larger caliber rifles. British snipers in Afghanistan are also using the new round, having converted many of their 7.62mm sniper rifles. Recognizing the popularity of the 8.6mm round, Barrett, the pioneer in 12.7mm sniper rifles, came out with a 15.5 pound version of its rifle, chambered for the 8.6mm. But the U.S. preferred the lighter .300 Winchester magnum solution.

This is not the first time the U.S. Army has quickly responded to sniper needs. Two years ago, in response to requests from snipers operating in urban areas of Iraq, the U.S. Army began issuing the M110 SASS (Semi-Automatic Sniper System). Urban snipers often have multiple targets, at relatively short ranges. They needed a semiautomatic rifle. Previously, many snipers have had success using tuned up M-14s (from the 1960s) as sniper rifles. While semi-automatic and rugged, the M-14 wasn't designed to be a sniper rifle. The M110 was a better semi-automatic sniper rifle, since it is inherently more reliable and accurate. As far back as World War II, it was known that there were many situations where a semi-automatic sniper rifle would come in handy. But it's taken over half a century to solve the reliability and accuracy problems.

The M110 is a based on the AR-10 rifle. The U.S. Navy has been buying a similar weapon, the SR25. This is also known as the Mk11 Sniper Rifle System (SRS). These new semi-automatic sniper rifles are 7.62mm weapons based on the designs of M-16 creator, Gene Stoner. The basis for the M-16 was the AR-15, and a 7.62mm version of that weapon was called the AR-10. About half the parts in the SR25 are interchangeable with those in the M-16. The Stoner sniper rifles achieved its high accuracy partly by using a 20 inch heavy floating barrel. The "floating" means that the barrel is attached only to the main body of the rifle to reduce resonance (which throws off accuracy.)

The M110 weighs 7.9 kg (17.3 pounds) in combat, and about 32 kg (70 pounds) with all components of the system. The M110 can use a ten or twenty round magazine. The 128 cm (40.5 inch) long rifle can have a 15 cm (six inch) tube attached to the barrel, which reduces the noise and flash made when the rifle fires, and largely eliminates nearby dust rising into the air, which often gives away the snipers position.

The M110 will gradually replace many of the bolt-action M24s, while the remaining M24s will be converted to fire the .300 Winchester Magnum, for those snipers working somewhere, like Afghanistan, where more range is needed.

 


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$7,800 PER RIFLE to upgrade to the .300WinMag?!?!?!?!?!

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1 posted on 10/07/2010 9:55:43 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

” The conversion will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle.”

HUH? I would say that seems a “little” excessive. Does this include test firing with custom bedding and tuning for each rifle?


2 posted on 10/07/2010 9:59:47 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Neil E. Wright

The jury needs to see pictures to determine..


3 posted on 10/07/2010 10:00:15 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Neil E. Wright

Yummy. I remember shooting some rare 2 3/4 inch magnum 12 gauge loads at some oil drums with my friends years ago. Talk about a blast. This .300 mag must be a load of fun.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 10:00:25 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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"$7,800 per rifle"

So just who is getting that money?

5 posted on 10/07/2010 10:00:25 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 300winmag

ping


6 posted on 10/07/2010 10:01:03 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Neil E. Wright

If the upgrade costs $7,800 per rifle, how much would a new one cost?


7 posted on 10/07/2010 10:03:28 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Give the troops something that works. .223 in Afghanistan is pretty worthless.

What about this from Bushmaster. $4900. Ten rounds .50 BMG but it says bolt action. The Barrett I think is semi-auto.
http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_military_BCW3M_22-50BMGLW.asp


8 posted on 10/07/2010 10:04:48 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Dunno. We haven’t gotten the bid back from China yet...


9 posted on 10/07/2010 10:06:02 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 625 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock.

So we are keeping the trigger guard and the forestock from the existing M24, and tossing the rest?

10 posted on 10/07/2010 10:06:57 AM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I’m not a gunsmith, but I’m pretty sure I can help out with that for far less money, in much shorter time.


11 posted on 10/07/2010 10:08:09 AM PDT by wastedyears (Know this, I will return to this land... rebuild where the ruins did stand)
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To: null and void

Tell them to get those sweatshops humming!


12 posted on 10/07/2010 10:08:29 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Neil E. Wright
This will turn the existing 7.62mm M24 rifles into ones capable of firing the .300 Winchester magnum (7.62x67) round. This is a more powerful round than the NATO 7.62x51 round currently used in the M24.

Where has the Army been? I've been sniping with this round since 1977.

I guess this is the first time they have been able to get the price UP to $7800 a pop. Gotta hand it to the Army!

13 posted on 10/07/2010 10:08:37 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

.300 Win mag. with a folding stock. That’s gonna leave a mark.


14 posted on 10/07/2010 10:12:07 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Neil E. Wright

How many new .300 WinMags can you buy for $7800?!?


15 posted on 10/07/2010 10:12:16 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

At $7,800 each, they should at least come with an attached toilet seat.


16 posted on 10/07/2010 10:12:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I know a custom rifle maker who will make you a one of a kind, accurized (guaranteed to shoot 1/2 minute groups w/ good ammo), personalized, .300 Win mag for $3500.00 all day long!


17 posted on 10/07/2010 10:12:25 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: AzSteven

Probably.

They may not have funds in the bucket to procure new weapons, but may have funds in the maintenance/upgrades bucket. If so, what they are doing makes sense, in a government procurement kinda way. It may end up costing more to the taxpayers because it includes armory costs, but that is the way most of these things happen.

I agree with you, they could have a better deal with a clean, competitive, procurement for new firearms, but then they would have to figure out what to do with the old rifles so they do not fall into civilian hands later, as these guys will not work with the CMP.


18 posted on 10/07/2010 10:14:15 AM PDT by battlecry
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Can't we just place an order for 500 Accuracy International 338 Lapua’s and then pocket the change?

Military Intelligence?

19 posted on 10/07/2010 10:14:28 AM PDT by Zathras
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Also, Marcus Luttrell carried the SR-25 in Afghanistan.


20 posted on 10/07/2010 10:14:39 AM PDT by wastedyears (Know this, I will return to this land... rebuild where the ruins did stand)
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To: AzSteven
a new scope

Ah. There's half the cost right there.

Good glass, tuned for that round, ain't cheap.

21 posted on 10/07/2010 10:16:29 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Shortly before he died, Jeff Cooper wrote that the next big challenge for shooters and gunmakers would be the "20-20-20" - that is, putting 20 rounds in a 20" circle at 1,000 yards in 20 seconds or less. I always thought the optimum rifle to do it would be this little gem from Walther, also a .300 WinMag sniper rifle...


22 posted on 10/07/2010 10:17:27 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Looks to me like we are keeping the scope mounts (maybe) and replacing everything else (lock, stock and barrel) for $7800.00. What a crock.


23 posted on 10/07/2010 10:17:57 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Bigun
I know a custom rifle maker who will make you a one of a kind, accurized (guaranteed to shoot 1/2 minute groups w/ good ammo), personalized, .300 Win mag for $3500.00 all day long!

Does that include the scope? Some of what our troops are using is very high-dollar stuff, scope-wise.

24 posted on 10/07/2010 10:18:50 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: Neil E. Wright
I'm looking at Lee's "Modern Reloading", comparing .308 Winchester to .300 Winchester Magnum for a 250-grain jacketed bullet...

...and becoming seriously aroused.
25 posted on 10/07/2010 10:20:16 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Neil E. Wright
The 98Bravo would be better: 98bravo
26 posted on 10/07/2010 10:21:13 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Nope!

Scope would be extra but mounts are included.


27 posted on 10/07/2010 10:21:26 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Bigun
The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock.
28 posted on 10/07/2010 10:26:42 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I was gonna say, I didn’t pay even half that for my .300 Win Mag with the stock mod, barrel mod, the trigger job, the scope or all the ammunition...


29 posted on 10/07/2010 10:28:10 AM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: Parley Baer
Holy smokes.....

Surely they could just buy new rifles. For less than half that price!!

30 posted on 10/07/2010 10:34:44 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Parley Baer
Holy smokes.....

Surely they could just buy new rifles. For less than half that price!!

31 posted on 10/07/2010 10:34:55 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I havea hard time believing taht they cannot buy NEW ones for less than $7800/each!! Here we go with the $5500 toilet seats again.


32 posted on 10/07/2010 10:40:31 AM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Hell, we need to tell them about Walmart. 300 mags are on sale for $289!!!!!!!


33 posted on 10/07/2010 10:41:30 AM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: WAW

The .338 Lapua is a quite a weapon. The Brits first choice, and they are good with it. Fires a 250 gr bullet @ 2900 or so. Their new rifles are $7000?

Remington makes one that goes for about $1300. Remington or any of the US MFGs are hard to beat.

The cheap way out is the .338 Win Mag. Superbly accurate, slightly less powerful, it will blow the lungs out of moose @600 yds. If you like Cheaperthandirt.com, check out their Zastava bolt action in .338 winmag @ about $500 or so....


34 posted on 10/07/2010 10:44:59 AM PDT by libertyhoundusnr
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To: 300winmag

Ping - how about this one? OB


35 posted on 10/07/2010 10:50:03 AM PDT by LSAggie
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To: Neil E. Wright
The conversion will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle.

Whuttttttt?

Price: $1,591.22 (Scope not included)

.300 Winchester Magnum Rifles for Sale

36 posted on 10/07/2010 10:57:19 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Parley Baer

What a tremendous waste of taxpayer’s money! The new Savage Arms 110 BA in .338 Lapua will shoot rings around the .300 Winchester for thousands less per rifle. IMHO of course :)


37 posted on 10/07/2010 11:03:59 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Good Luck! I fired a .300 Wichester Magnum for the first time last weekend, and my shoulder is still feeling the punch. I will stick to my .308, thank you.


38 posted on 10/07/2010 11:07:21 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Neil E. Wright

Sounds like more of the same old, same old political wheeling and dealing that caused us to spend billions on equipping our forces with .223 poodle shooters.

It always seems that one of the top priorities on any weapons procuement contract is to make certain the right amount of money is spent with the right people.


39 posted on 10/07/2010 11:11:43 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I prayed: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it - He sent the Obamas.)
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To: broken_arrow1

I love my savage 300 win mag. Will admit, a few boxes will put a definite hurt on you first time you fire one for sure.


40 posted on 10/07/2010 11:23:44 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Neil E. Wright

What the F$%^! Over $7,000! Why not just go BUY new ones!!!


41 posted on 10/07/2010 11:25:24 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock. The conversion will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle.

So the only things they're keeping is the bipod and trigger assembly? For only $7800 a rifle?

Mark

42 posted on 10/07/2010 11:30:41 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Frantzie

Weighs almost as much as the Barrett which is what they were trying to get away from.


43 posted on 10/07/2010 11:33:28 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Joe 6-pack

I’ve been wondering lately why no guns are make with the barrel inline with the center of the shoulder pad.


44 posted on 10/07/2010 11:41:33 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

make —> made


45 posted on 10/07/2010 11:44:54 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Parley Baer

.300 WinMag is a good round for long distance work.


46 posted on 10/07/2010 11:48:00 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: SVTCobra03

This looks great. The price I saw on the web is $4,174.


47 posted on 10/07/2010 11:49:50 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Parley Baer
$7,800 per rifle for an upgrade? Remington lists the civilian version (308 Winchester) Model 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD with a MSRP starting at $757.


48 posted on 10/07/2010 11:53:46 AM PDT by Petrosius
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The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock.

What aren't they changing -- the trigger guard?

49 posted on 10/07/2010 11:54:23 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Petrosius

The Model 700 XCR Tactical Long Range with 300 Win Mag is listed with a MSRP starting at $1407


50 posted on 10/07/2010 12:42:24 PM PDT by Petrosius
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