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EPA to drain $1 trillion from economy--Obama's new ozone policy is full of holes (Another outrage)
The Washington Times ^ | October 7, 2010 | Editorial

Posted on 10/07/2010 5:15:24 PM PDT by jazusamo

The zealots at the Environmental Protection Agency are poised to suck a trillion dollars and 7 million jobs out of the economy with an unnecessary and destructive change to pollution rules. Less than two years ago, the EPA set a ground-level ozone standard of 75 parts per billion (ppb), but Obama administration officials are looking to impose an even lower standard of 60 ppb by fiat. That seemingly small change will have sweeping effects throughout the economy.

Ozone is created when harmful emissions from cars and factories react with sunlight to create one of the building blocks of smog. Reasonable limitations on such pollutants are appropriate, but what the EPA proposes is far from reasonable. The likely standard is so low it approaches the natural background level of ozone found in many areas of the country. There is no new science compelling President Obama's team to change the rules, but they will have a significant impact on businesses still struggling to meet 2008 targets. Manufacturing plants already meet strict standards, but many will be forced to install expensive new equipment to reach the EPA's proposed levels. As all of the easy fixes for cleaning up emissions have been implemented already, incremental reductions come with a steep price tag. In the current rocky economy, imposing new costs is only going to thwart recovery.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: epa; obama; ozone

1 posted on 10/07/2010 5:15:29 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

They are unable to cripple American industry via cap and trade, so they are going to do it this way.

God help us. Can we remove this thing from office before he carries out his plan of destruction?

No wonder Dr. Sowell sounded so dispirited when I heard him last month...


2 posted on 10/07/2010 5:18:11 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Freedom has ceased to be a birthright; it has come to mean whatever we are still permitted to do.")
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To: jazusamo
Ozone at ground level provides some level of protection from UV radiation.

Whatever ill effects ozone causes might be more than counteracted by the deleterious effects of letting more UV radiation burn more skin.

Isn't skin cancer one of the most deadly diseases that one can acquire?

3 posted on 10/07/2010 5:23:21 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: rlmorel

It looks like that’s exactly what they’re trying to do and Dr. Sowell was well aware of it.

Republicans are going to have to defund the EPA as soon as they regain control of the House.

Then we can only hope this turkey isn’t reelected for another term but it would be nice to see an attempt at impeachment even if the Senate wouldn’t find a guilty verdict.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 5:24:19 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

At some point someone in his own party is going to have to make the trip to the wh and get him out of there.


5 posted on 10/07/2010 5:25:17 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I hear you. There are different types of skin cancer but melanoma is very bad stuff.


6 posted on 10/07/2010 5:25:57 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Please bump the Freepathon and donate or become a monthly donor!

7 posted on 10/07/2010 5:26:20 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I am feeling a complete meltdown coming from this wh.


8 posted on 10/07/2010 5:26:37 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

Yep, he doesn’t give a whit about the country.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 5:28:39 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

There are so many people around the world who are only familiar with America through our movies. Our movies typically shows the US as a rich wasteful nation in comparison to the third world countries and even Europe. Europe early on decided to preserve the hard earned money from their GDP from going overseas to pay for oil. They taxed energy severely, and limited the expenditures on urban sprawls. Hence, the people who watch our fancy living condition in our movies became jealous of us. In addition, leftists hate our big industry, and wanted to cripple us. So, we ended up with Europeans, who are more energy efficient then us demanding unsupported demand mostly to cripple us, and I would not be surprised if the Saudis are funding the environmental movements to stop us from building nuclear power plants.


10 posted on 10/07/2010 6:04:07 PM PDT by phobia-dude
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To: jazusamo
Republicans are going to have to defund the EPA as soon as they regain control of the House.

Major Bump.

The long term solution is fixing the Clean Air Act but that would take a veto proof majority prior to 2012 at least.

In the meantime - the only feasible fix is to defund EPA and the associated funding the feds send to the states to carry out this crap.

Make no mistakes, we have multiple layers of beauracracy to deal with and we can't forget that the state level beauracrats will hold the water and carry out the mission if their federal masters are hobbled for a bit.

The defunding needs to happen deeper than just EPA.

11 posted on 10/07/2010 6:18:36 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: GlockThe Vote

“At some point someone in his own party is going to have to make the trip to the wh and get him out of there.”

Why should they make the trip to get him out of the White House?

He’s doing his job rather well, thank you, and complying with what Mr. Soros and his revolutionary minions expect of him. (And so is his party.)

IMHO


12 posted on 10/07/2010 6:22:17 PM PDT by ripley
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To: GlockThe Vote

Iwas dreaming that the other night. People are going to have to get him out of here.

This whole thing is a commie coup.


13 posted on 10/07/2010 6:25:50 PM PDT by dforest
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To: jazusamo

Another Outrage! Exactly.

They continue to usurp our laws, usurp our Constitution, disrespect our way of life, and destroy our country...

Bit by bit...They take something away from us. Now they’re not satisfied with little bits. Now they want bigger and bigger chunks.

This cannot stand. We cannot allow this to stand.


14 posted on 10/07/2010 6:30:45 PM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: !1776!
The defunding needs to happen deeper than just EPA.

Does it ever! Education is a major one but can you imagine the squealing from the NEA and their state affiliates should it ever be tried?

15 posted on 10/07/2010 6:32:41 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: rlmorel; Pride in the USA; Stillwaters
They are unable to cripple American industry via cap and trade, so they are going to do it this way.

You're right, and I can't stand anymore of this.

16 posted on 10/07/2010 6:37:48 PM PDT by lonevoice (Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; All
Isn't skin cancer one of the most deadly diseases that one can acquire?

Yes and no. I speak from experience, having fought skin cancer for the last 30 years.

There are three types of skin cancer:

Basal cell
The least dangerous type. If caught early (you are visiting your dermatologist at least once a year, aren't you?), it is easily removed, usually by freezing with liquid nitrogen.

Squamous cell
More dangerous. Removal may require surgery.

Melanoma
The most dangerous type. Will metastasize. Can spread to internal organs. Most people who die from skin cancer have melanoma.

Prevention is the best course. Stay out of the sun if you can. Wear a hat. And please stay away from tanning beds.

Disclosure: I am not a doctor. But I have many, many scars from skin cancer. Not pleasant.

17 posted on 10/07/2010 6:40:40 PM PDT by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: jazusamo

These standards reach further than people realize. You have local and state clean air agencies that have various levels of authority and enforcement power, who use these kinds of regulations to set local standards, and declare “smog emergencies” and the resultant burn bans.

Here locally, the burn bans go into effect in the winter, usually during the coldest days when a temperature inversion might form, and the SW Washington Clean Air Agency issues either a Stage I or II burn ban. Stage II means no wood stoves at all, unless it is your primary heat system. All it does is spike the electric demand when everyone kicks on the heat pump or electric baseboard heaters all at once.

I swear, there is a segment of our society that will not be happy until we are all living in caves, or Communist Chinese re-education camps...


18 posted on 10/07/2010 7:32:44 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: Bean Counter

Before moving up here we lived in Jackson County, OR and they had the same type no burn regs in winter because of inversion layers on some days in the Medford Valley.

At least then people that only had wood heat could could burn but I don’t know what goes on now, I’d suspect they’ve phased them out. We used wood when we could but also had electric forced air.

The gov just keeps getting more and more intrusive in what we can and can’t do but this ozone and CO2 thing is really going over the edge, there’ll be big trouble if passed.


19 posted on 10/07/2010 7:46:01 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

We have a newer stove that I easily heat the whole house with all winter long. It’s a nice step top stove that we can cook on, and have done a number of times. A cast iron Dutch oven makes a fine bean soup if it sits on a hot woodstove all day long. A cast iron skillet with a top on it bakes a fine pan of cornbread on top of the stove in about an hour too...

The woodstove gives us independence from the grid, but there is always someone out there trying to interfere with us no matter what the activity is, and no matter how hard we try to minimize the amount of energy we are hooked on.

I don’t think some of them would be happy if we lived in caves...


20 posted on 10/07/2010 8:06:50 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: jazusamo

What we really need is a million man march on the EPA building and make our opinion known

These Washington DC eco-maggots are living the good life


21 posted on 10/07/2010 8:10:09 PM PDT by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confuscius.)
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To: jazusamo

Republicans are going to have to defund the EPA as soon as they regain control of the House.>>>>>>

Also we get to hold public hearings to expose the EPA and Lisa Jackson, the eco-parasite who runs it


22 posted on 10/07/2010 8:17:46 PM PDT by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confuscius.)
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To: dennisw

YES! Her and several others, namely Eric Holder. It’s disgraceful what these people have gotten away with.


23 posted on 10/07/2010 8:23:57 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: lonevoice; Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

I hear you, I really do, when you say you can’t stand anymore of this.

I feel somewhat isolated in this, and it sure does help to know there are others who feel the same way (Thank God for Free Republic)

I cannot speak to my wife about where I really think things are going. She is pretty non-political, but not a liberal. But she doesn’t get in my way of going to the events in Washington (9/12, GOE, etc) or driving down for a night with the DC chapter of FR outside Walter Reed. She knows it is important to me. But she doesn’t share the same dire outlook I have. Out of curiosity, I asked her the other day where she thought things were going. She answered that she thought things were going to get a bit worse, but would then get better. I am with her, for better or worse, and I am not free to do what I might under other circumstances. I must stay with her.

But my dark outlook is generated because I am much better read on historical matters than most people I know including my wife, so I know that that concept of people like us (relatively prosperous and well-fed right now) shivering in a New England house in the winter with no food or fuel, or maybe even no New England house, is not beyond the realm of possibility. I know all too well of the Eastern Europeans in the early forties who had fine houses filled with all the accoutrements of a good life who ended up homeless, walking down muddy roads in the middle of winter with no shoes, guided by a bayonet. They never dreamed they would end up there.

It can happen.

So, yeah. I feel pretty grim about it. Every single thing I do, I think that someday I will look back as having lived in the lap of unimaginable luxury. Cooking a dinner with food purchased from a store. Taking a hot shower. Filling the tank of my well maintained car with gas from a gas pump. Turning the heat in the house up a few degrees on a bitter winter day. Going out to a restaurant.

When I see what is going on, our government printing and spending trillions of dollars we don’t have, taxing us at rates that would have made serfs revolt, deliberately destroying industry, mandating that certain jobs (auto industry) are worthy of MY money being given to them, while denying others (oil industry) even the right to work, and I think “How have we come to this? How did we allow this to happen?”

When I am caught in the grip of dark, dark foreboding, I force myself to remember: It doesn’t HAVE to happen. Until it does, there is ALWAYS a way out. We can still take this country back, regain our liberties and freedom. There is a chance...as long as there is at least someone else who sees eye-to-eye with me on this, that can at least be an army of two.

And where there are two, there may be four. Or eight. And I realize that until they enslave us, we won’t be enslaved, and we can turn it around.


24 posted on 10/07/2010 8:44:27 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Freedom has ceased to be a birthright; it has come to mean whatever we are still permitted to do.")
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To: jazusamo

And there’s more:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2603422/posts


25 posted on 10/07/2010 10:00:42 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: rlmorel
When I am caught in the grip of dark, dark foreboding, I force myself to remember: It doesn’t HAVE to happen. Until it does, there is ALWAYS a way out. We can still take this country back, regain our liberties and freedom. There is a chance...as long as there is at least someone else who sees eye-to-eye with me on this, that can at least be an army of two.

And where there are two, there may be four. Or eight. And I realize that until they enslave us, we won’t be enslaved, and we can turn it around.

That is very well stated. Every time I turn on my computer, I think of it as lighting a candle rather than cursing the darkness. When I see posts like yours, I remind myself that for each one willing to publish his thoughts, there are at least a dozen others who are reading and resonating with them, although we may not hear from them publicly.

26 posted on 10/08/2010 9:37:49 AM PDT by lonevoice (Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music)
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To: jazusamo

The EPA and its enabling legislation needs to be gutted and completly revamped as a true department administering proper legally legislated laws.

It has become a dictatorship unto itself having no relation with Constitutional process. It develops its own needs and agendas seperate from Congress, it institutes controls by fiat and doles out regulations, laws and fines as a power disregarding the true legislative process. It has become staffed with agenda driven activists and now administrators and regulators.

Tear it apart and do so by written law hamstringing its out of control behavior.


27 posted on 10/08/2010 9:50:36 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Bean Counter

if only the tools could ‘un-discover’ fire...oh well, outlawing it is *almost* as good...


28 posted on 10/08/2010 10:44:26 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: KC Burke
It has become staffed with agenda driven activists and now administrators and regulators.

You nailed it right there in that sentence. It's not just the EPA either, it's Interior, Forest Service, BLM and fed and state wildlife and Fish and Game Depts.

It's taken a number of years but the enviro nazis have made much progress in infiltrating these agencies.

29 posted on 10/08/2010 11:13:06 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: lonevoice

That is a great way to think of it, lonevoice. And I do think that is the case, for each of us, you and me, I am willing to bet there ARE a LOT more out there who feel the same way.

Keep your chin up...


30 posted on 10/08/2010 1:12:20 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Freedom has ceased to be a birthright; it has come to mean whatever we are still permitted to do.")
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