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Eyewitness in Alleged Mexican Pirate Attack Case Comes Forward
ABC News ^

Posted on 10/07/2010 5:32:07 PM PDT by mandaladon

An eyewitness has come forward in the case of the American who was allegedly attacked by Mexican pirates to claim he saw the man's panicked wife as she fled to the American side of the lake.

"I saw the Jet Ski come around an island," the witness told "Good Morning America." "There was something wrong actually. The way I saw her come around it looked like something terribly wrong happened. I mean, she was jittery, frantic. ... She was crying, sobbing."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: crime; eyewitness; falconlake; immigration; invasion; mexico; murder; organizedcrime; reconquista; wakeup
This case is really strange...I can't seem to make up my mind about who is telling the truth.
1 posted on 10/07/2010 5:32:09 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

I tend to believe the wife, in spite of her inconsistencies.


2 posted on 10/07/2010 5:35:04 PM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: mandaladon

Yeah, I’m with you. I’m not sure what to think.


3 posted on 10/07/2010 5:36:54 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: mandaladon

I still think it might be an insurance scam. They supposedly lived in Mexico for 2-1/2 years and only just recently returned to the States. What better place for a “dead” man to hide than a country like Mexico.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 5:45:05 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: South40

Is there a report that they BOTH were on the same Jet Ski, or was he as well riding a Jet Ski....wouldn’t it have blood on it?


5 posted on 10/07/2010 5:47:18 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

I understand that they were on two separate jet-skis. She is reported to have (his) blood on her life preserver, corroborating her account of having tried to pull him from the water before being chased off.


6 posted on 10/07/2010 5:49:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: rovenstinez

Not necessarily. Think of Phil Specter. He shot Lana Clarkson in the mouth and there was no blood on his white coat or sleeves. It happens.


7 posted on 10/07/2010 5:52:16 PM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: South40

Vince Foster was found with little blood around his body – and despite claims that he fired the gun into his mouth, practically no blood was found on the front of his shirt.

Just had to bring that up...


8 posted on 10/07/2010 5:58:50 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

A prior published report had her with a gun to her head yet the “pirates” inexplicably allowed her to get away. Report seems to have been in error. I’m sure you remember Peterson in California when his wife was “kidnapped”! Or the Peterson in Chicago whose 4th wife just happened to “disappear”! Also reminds me of the NEW way to dispose of a spouse. Take a cruise, a little booze, and oops, over the railing and lost at sea. What a shame.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 6:00:36 PM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: mandaladon
The Mexican pirate is the one on the left.


10 posted on 10/07/2010 6:01:11 PM PDT by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Krankor

“I still think it might be an insurance scam. They supposedly lived in Mexico for 2-1/2 years and only just recently returned to the States. What better place for a “dead” man to hide than a country like Mexico.” That’s exactly what I suspect>


11 posted on 10/07/2010 6:03:16 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: Krankor

“I still think it might be an insurance scam. They supposedly lived in Mexico for 2-1/2 years and only just recently returned to the States. What better place for a “dead” man to hide than a country like Mexico.” That’s exactly what I suspect.


12 posted on 10/07/2010 6:03:43 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: OrioleFan
Additionally, no bullet was ever found and, despite the muddy path leading to where Vince Foster's body was found no mud was on his shoes.

I think it's pretty clear that Vince Foster did not kill himself.

13 posted on 10/07/2010 6:07:52 PM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: Doc Savage
I have my questions about this story as well, and will 'til more facts are known. Having said that, there was a conference earlier (today, IIRC) where the local sheriff stated that there was evidence that had not been released that corroborated her account, and the sheriff indicated that he found her account credible. At this point, I'm leaning towards her account based solely on the information released by the sheriff on the ground who has more access to the available info than any of us.

Personally, I'm an insurance fraud investigator, and my first reaction was that this had many red flag indicators of a life insurance scam (i.e., no body, death in a foreign country, etc.). In the end, I still wouldn't be surprised if that's what it turned out to be, but for the time being, the best indicator I've seen/heard/read is that the sheriff finds her credible and states that there's evidence to support her account.

14 posted on 10/07/2010 6:08:42 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

If it’s a scam, then she should think about becoming an actress - I thought she seemed like someone who was overcome with grief about her husband.


15 posted on 10/07/2010 6:18:27 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: South40

Agreed.


16 posted on 10/07/2010 6:22:39 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: OrioleFan; South40
This is perhaps the most compelling theory I've heard regarding Vince.
17 posted on 10/07/2010 6:30:43 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: South40

“in spite of her inconsistencies”

What inconsistencies?


18 posted on 10/07/2010 6:44:05 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (Reid: Why, oh why, are they picking on me?)
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To: mandaladon
Pirates???

These are the spawn of unconstitutional prohibition!

They make Capone seem like a timid little Rahmbellina though.


What happened to the W O D???

Is this the surrender call from the prohibition monster?

19 posted on 10/07/2010 6:47:01 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: mandaladon

>>> Eyewitness in Alleged Mexican Pirate Attack Case Comes Forward

False headline. He didn’t see any Mexicans at all. He adds nothing.


20 posted on 10/07/2010 6:56:11 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thanks for posting that Joe. It is good to remember just how devious and dishonest the clintons are.


21 posted on 10/07/2010 6:58:06 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: mandaladon

“I mean, she was jittery, frantic. ... She was crying, sobbing.”

How close was this guy to her? Running a jet ski full bore, running for your life, you have both hands on the controls and you’re trying to maintain control. He must have been pretty close. If he was that close did he at some point decide to run for his life too?

Not sure where I stand on this one. Last I heard the cartel has the body. They’ll probably hold if for some sort of ransom.

Either way, this thing isn’t going to end pretty.


22 posted on 10/07/2010 7:07:03 PM PDT by mark3681
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To: chooseascreennamepat
Read this
23 posted on 10/07/2010 7:32:13 PM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: South40
“Read this “

Interesting but there are a number of question/responses that the person analyzing the girl says are definitive. But I see them as opinions. But, she doesn't sound all that credible.

24 posted on 10/07/2010 8:27:39 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (Reid: Why, oh why, are they picking on me?)
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To: chooseascreennamepat
A lot of it was opinion, opinion of her inconsistencies and an attempt to analyze why she would tell them.

Also, in one account she said after trying unsuccessfully to pull her husband onto her jet ski she abandoned him and clambered back on to her jet-ski in a desperate bid to save her own life. Bullets whizzed by her as the pirates opened fire once more, giving chase.

In another account she told of how the pirates drove their boat right up to her and pointed a gun at her head at which point she begged them not to shoot her. They then "decided to leave".

So did she speed away from her husband’s body as the pirates shot at her or did they get close enough to her to point their guns at her head while she begged them not to shoot her and only then did they decide to leave?

Like I said, inconsistencies.

25 posted on 10/07/2010 8:44:01 PM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: Joe 6-pack

She is reported to have (his) blood on her life preserver, corroborating her account of having tried to pull him from the water before being chased off.

************

I want Dexter. :)


26 posted on 10/07/2010 9:20:05 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Interesting. Think Obama used this to get Hillary to conceed, knowing she had been cheated out of the nomination for President?


27 posted on 10/08/2010 4:54:31 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

If true, wonder who pulled the trigger for them?


28 posted on 10/08/2010 6:51:41 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: South40; chooseascreennamepat
"Read this."

Indeed, statement analysis can be useful and provide many insights to an interviewee's state of mind...particularly in a spontaneous interview. It would however, be interesting to know if Greta or her staff did a pre-interview with Ms. Hartely prior to the aired interview. In such cases, the areas of emphasis and much of the verbiage may not be genuinely the interviewee's but rather the result of steering which took place during a preliminary interview. For example, the person doing the statement analysis points out the seemingly awkward pronouncement about being "on the Mexico side" of the lake so early in the interview. On its face, that is curious and should be considered significant; however, if Greta or one of her staffer's had done a preliminary interview with Hartely and repeatedly asked her which side of the lake she had been on, and made a big deal of that, it would not be unusual for her to emphasize that in the aired interview.

I have no way of knowing if that's the case here, and frankly don't have enough info to feel comfortable making any kind of hard and fast opinion at this point...but regardless of what comes of this, the fall out will be interesting.

29 posted on 10/08/2010 8:43:24 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack; All

A Fishing Paradise Gains a Deadly Reputation
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/us/08pirate.html?_r=2

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The shooting was the latest in a string of attacks by pirates on the lake that began on April 30. The gangs carry AK-47s and sometimes claim to be Mexican federal police or American game wardens. They have sometimes hijacked high-prowed boats favored by Mexican fishermen and used them to chase down Americans in bass boats, stealing their money at gunpoint.

But Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez of Zapata County, on the Texas side of the lake, has said that Mrs. Hartley’s story is credible and that the assault is in keeping with other recent robberies, some of which happened in the same part of the lake.

On April 30, for example, two boats carrying five tourists who wanted photographs of the Guerrero church were robbed at gunpoint by four heavily tattooed men in a fishing boat who identified themselves as “federales.” They demanded cash and even asked, “Where are the drugs?”

A week later, on May 6, three fishermen were robbed at gunpoint near Salado Island. On May 16, another group of boaters was robbed, again by armed men in a fishing boat on the United States side of the reservoir.

More recently, a gang of pirates in a small boat, with “Game Wardin” spelled out in duct tape, tried to stop a Texas fisherman, the police said. The Texan figured the misspelled word meant they were not really game wardens and outran them, the police said.

The governor has also staunchly defended Mrs. Hartley against anyone who doubts her account, saying he finds such theories “really reprehensible.”


30 posted on 10/08/2010 8:50:06 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
In my suspicious mind, those type of news accounts could have been the very type of thing that planted the seed which could hatch a staged death scam.

Again, I'm not coming down on one side or the other here and without access to more information/evidence than has been released, I don't think anybody should.

31 posted on 10/08/2010 8:56:40 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“Again, I’m not coming down on one side or the other here and without access to more information/evidence than has been released, I don’t think anybody should.”

The sheriff says her story has checked out. The witness has come forward. There is plenty of other evidence for the same type of attack. If you’re waiting for a body.....Mexico isn’t going to provide the body!


32 posted on 10/08/2010 8:59:15 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
"The sheriff says her story has checked out."

And Chief Moose said the beltway sniper was a white guy in a panel van. I've been law enforcement, and work with them often enough to know that they get things wrong...especially in insurance fraud scams. A lot of innocent people get tickets for following too close from well meaning and well intended cops, when in fact they have been set up by a staged accident ring. It happens.

Now, I have to assume the sheriff here is privy to a lot of evidence that has not been released. If you look at my comments elsewhere, I've even cited that as a cautionary warning to people who are ready to convict her, and the sheriff could very well be right.

For all we know, she may have the attack on video. However, as I've said before, and repeat here, that with the information currently in the public domain, I think anybody would be foolish to attest to, or impeach the women's credibility.

33 posted on 10/08/2010 9:13:54 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack; All

Mexico Spinning Out of Control?

-Ambassador John Bolton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJtdP6s1G70


34 posted on 10/08/2010 9:16:53 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: mark3681

“Either way, this thing isn’t going to end pretty.”

This one could end up on TruTV Forensic Files. They do need some new material; I’m tired of the repeats.


35 posted on 10/08/2010 9:24:50 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: Joe 6-pack

“I think anybody would be foolish to attest to, or impeach the women’s credibility.”

Correct! But Gov. Goodhair stuck out his neck in attesting to her side of the story. Does he know something as well?

If her story is true, does this mean that rafters near Santa Elena Canyon need to stay on one side of the river or risk similar fate? jk

Anybody with a lick of sense would avoid crooked/violent Mexico like the plague. What we need is a Prez with cojones who will tell the Mex govt. that if anybody from their country violates our territory or citizens, we will come across the border and take care of it if they can’t.


36 posted on 10/08/2010 9:33:08 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: secondamendmentkid
"But Gov. Goodhair stuck out his neck in attesting to her side of the story. Does he know something as well?"

For his sake, I hope so. If this turns out to be a scam, not only will Perry have egg on his face, but we'll be bending over backwards apologizing to the Mexicans...maybe even another beer summit coupled with amnesty. At this point in time, my slight lean towards believing Hartley's story is based almost exclusively on the public pronouncements of those who do (or should) have access to all the available info that hasn't been made public.

"What we need is a Prez with cojones who will tell the Mex govt. that if anybody from their country violates our territory or citizens, we will come across the border and take care of it if they can’t."

Say what you will about Woodrow Wilson (and I detest the man), at least he didn't have a problem taking the leash of off Pershing.

37 posted on 10/08/2010 9:43:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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