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The Unraveling Of Obamacare
National Center For Policy Analysis ^ | NCPA/IBD

Posted on 10/12/2010 8:32:56 AM PDT by raptor22

Thirty companies and organizations get waivers from the new health care overhaul because otherwise they'd have to raise rates or drop coverage. The president said neither would happen. Hey, where's our waiver? asks Investor's Business Daily (IBD).

After telling federal regulators that it would be "economically prohibitive" for its insurance carrier to continue to cover its 30,000 hourly workers unless it received a waiver for its mini-med plans, McDonald's now has waivers for 115,000 workers, not just 30,000.

Jack in the Box also has a waiver, as do 28 other companies and organizations. The largest waiver, for 351,000 people, is for, appropriately enough, a union -- specifically the United Federation of Teachers Welfare Fund. The United Agricultural Benefit Trust, a California-based cooperative that provides such low-cost minimal coverage to farmworkers, was allowed to exempt 17,347 workers. Even what has been dubbed RomneyCare gets a waiver, with Massachusetts' universal health coverage bureaucracy getting an exemption for about 5,000 people.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: exemptions; healthcare; mcdonalds; obama; obamacare; romneycare; singlepayer; socializedmedicine; waiver
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1 posted on 10/12/2010 8:33:00 AM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Wouldn’t it be great if 100% of the population got a waiver from Obamacare, forever?


2 posted on 10/12/2010 8:35:34 AM PDT by lurk
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To: raptor22

I am already hearing the word compromise from both sides..Republcans still dont get it..thats part of the reason we are in this mess ..all through the bush years there was compromise with dems and now we are a sinking ship.


3 posted on 10/12/2010 8:38:46 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: raptor22

Isn’t that special?


4 posted on 10/12/2010 8:38:46 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: raptor22

Waiver of Obamacare = Repeal of Obamacare


5 posted on 10/12/2010 8:39:00 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: dalebert

I’m beginning to think the Republican leadership we have now CAN’T THINK.


6 posted on 10/12/2010 8:39:54 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: raptor22
It's not ObamaCare. It's "The Patient Protection and Health Insurance Act".

And the number of people being exempted from its auspices is growing by the day.

File this under: Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm."

7 posted on 10/12/2010 8:40:40 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: raptor22

How about a permanent waiver for everyone in America!


8 posted on 10/12/2010 8:41:16 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Repeal ObamaCare")
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To: 2001convSVT
How about a permanent waiver for everyone in America!

Yeah, like the member of Congress!

9 posted on 10/12/2010 8:42:36 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Texas Eagle

I prefer to think of it as FUBO-Care.


10 posted on 10/12/2010 8:42:58 AM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: raptor22
Obongo Waiver Form:

1. Are you a communist?

2. Are you minority?

3. Are you a union stooge or thug?

4. Are you a leftist, or socialist, or democrat?

5. Are you willing to swear total obedience to Obongo?

6. Have you ever cursed or threatened George W. Bush?

7. Are you an illegal alien, wetback, or muslim terrorist?

8. Are you willing to assist Obongo in destroying America?

9. Are you willing to swear that you have seen Obongo's actual birth certificate?

If you answered yes to all the above, you get a waiver!

11 posted on 10/12/2010 8:44:59 AM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: dalebert

NOOOOOO COMPROMISE!!!!!!!!!

Defund Obamcrap. Repeal, do not replace.
Let the market work. THE IDIOT REPUBLICANS must learn how to fight. If you let it stay on the books, it will kill us over time.


12 posted on 10/12/2010 8:46:15 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: raptor22

For every person who is exempt another person’s premiums increase.

We were recently informed by the company that our premiums will increase $87 a year. This is a cost that was absorbed by the company last year. They can’t afford to absorb it this year.

Thank God we both quit smoking. If we hadn’t the increase would have been $207 a year.


13 posted on 10/12/2010 8:47:53 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Never again will I hold my nose and vote for a rino.)
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To: Newton
FUBOcare. BOHICAcare.

All the same thing.

14 posted on 10/12/2010 8:47:54 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SC_Pete

Another thing I didn’t see on the republicans “promise” list. CONGRESS WILL NOT BE EXEMPT FROM THE NEW HEALTH CARE LAW.


15 posted on 10/12/2010 8:50:17 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Never again will I hold my nose and vote for a rino.)
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To: dalebert
I am already hearing the word compromise from both sides

Can you please cite a reference and give a link for this?

I haven't heard anything about a compromise, and I'd like to make some calls if such talk has actually happened.

16 posted on 10/12/2010 8:57:10 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Terry Mross

Great point. Term limits is the only real answer. The total corruption of our political system is caused by the need for re-election cash. For both RATS and Pubbies. areer politicians are killing our Republic.


17 posted on 10/12/2010 8:59:17 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: TribalPrincess2U; SC_Pete; dalebert
I'm waiting for verification that any Republican is talking about compromise.

I haven't heard it, and would like it proven.

And if anyone IS talking 'compromise' we need to burn their ears and eyes with calls and e-mails.

That is, IF......

18 posted on 10/12/2010 8:59:28 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: raptor22

As George Orwell said, some animals are more equal than others.


19 posted on 10/12/2010 9:01:10 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: raptor22

“because otherwise they’d have to raise rates or drop coverage”

Obama: You’re Insurance Premiums Will Go Down 3,000% If Health Bill Passes

http://tinyurl.com/26z5g7j


20 posted on 10/12/2010 9:02:46 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: raptor22

Seems demmies are dedicated to hamburger flipping jobs. It seems like just yesterday they claimed George Bush’s economy was only creating hamburger flipper jobs. My, how times change.


21 posted on 10/12/2010 9:02:54 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: raptor22

I’m looking forward to the lawsuits for denials of waivers. Fun!


22 posted on 10/12/2010 9:04:11 AM PDT by matt1234 (The only crisis 0bama can manage is one he intentionally created.)
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To: raptor22
Through the floor, Obowma.....through the floor.....
23 posted on 10/12/2010 9:06:36 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ohioWfan

I’m on board with that. The primary instinct of the political animal (career politician) is survival. Republicans ALWAYS want to compromise.

But you saw what the RATS did—they jumped off of the cliff for what they believed in: health care for all.

Do the Republicans have the courage to be as radical?

To repeal? To defund this monstrosity? To fight on through the next presidential campaign.

The RATS declared war. The Republicans better not be waving the white flag already.


24 posted on 10/12/2010 9:07:01 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: raptor22

“because otherwise they’d have to raise rates or drop coverage”

PRESIDENT OBAMA: “All This Is Going To Lower Premiums. It’s Going To Make Healthcare More Affordable” (President Obama, Remarks, 9/22/10)

HHS SEC. SEBELIUS: “What Will Happen With Health Reform, Premiums Will Go Down Between 14% And 20% Just By Passing The Bills.”
(Sec. Sebelius, Press Conference, 2/18/10)

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): “…We Can Reduce The Costs Of Premiums For Nevadans And All Americans. This Is One More Reason Why We Need To Pass Health Insurance Reform Now, Protecting Patients And Making Health Care Affordable.” (Sen. Reid, “Senate Health Reform Bill Will Reduce Premiums For Nevadans,” Press Release, 12/2/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): “That Letter Shows That For All Americans — All Americans — Premiums Will Be Lower.” (Sen. Max Baucus, Floor Remarks, 12/1/09)

http://tinyurl.com/2arj5qg

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Obama: Premiums Will Decrease 3000% So You Should Get A Raise When H’care Is Passed
Let’s say an employer pays $4,000 in health care premiums for an employee.

If his premium goes down 100% he will save $4,000 dollars. If it goes down 3,000% that is a savings of $4,000 x 30 which = $120,000.

Which means that an employer will make a $120,000 profit on each employee’s healthcare insurance once Obama-care is passed.

You can buy a lot of unicorns with $120,000.

http://tinyurl.com/22me56m


25 posted on 10/12/2010 9:09:04 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: SC_Pete
I completely agree.

But we have a weapon we haven't had before and the Republican leadership knows it. We can oust them from their comfy seats in the primaries if they don't do the job, and we will.

We need to make sure that we remind them of that hard, cold fact every day. We're not going back, and they'd better not either.

26 posted on 10/12/2010 9:13:42 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

I believe Rove did the night he got so mand about ODonnel. He mentioned that we needed a candidate in that state that would negotiate compromise in DC..several more times when Democrats accused Repubilcans of being the party of NO.


27 posted on 10/12/2010 9:21:36 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert
I watched that. I don't remember that he said a thing about compromising about healthcare (the subject of this thread, and your charge).

But, even if he did, he isn't an elected Republican, and therefore your statement has no factual basis.

I didn't think it did. Just wanted to make sure.

28 posted on 10/12/2010 9:52:26 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

no but the house minority leader talks it all the time and yes he was talking healthcare.


29 posted on 10/12/2010 9:54:39 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: raptor22

Our insurance carrier let us know that the rates for our business are going up 25%. We cannot afford that, so our only choice will be to let our policies lapse.


30 posted on 10/12/2010 10:05:42 AM PDT by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.)
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To: ohioWfan

Yes—the primaries are working very well. However, the ultimate goal has to be term limits. Incumbancy is THE source of corruption in the system.


31 posted on 10/12/2010 10:47:12 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: raptor22

From fat cat insurance companies to “economically prohibitive” for its insurance carrier.
The brotherhood of good old boy club still doing well in Washington.


32 posted on 10/12/2010 10:48:22 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SC_Pete
However, the ultimate goal has to be term limits. Incumbancy is THE source of corruption in the system.

Nonsense. What you get with term limits is a series of nameless agents of special interests, each with a promise to take care of them when their stint is done.

If term limits ensured accountable government, please explain the behavior of the California legislature.

33 posted on 10/12/2010 11:19:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate IS the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I worked in government for 35 years. I saw first hand what happens to honorable, decent, moral, and ethical people when they get elected. After about five months or so, they discover what their prime directive is: get re-elected. It’s like a switch gets thrown in their brains and they adopt the phony, politician’s smile. True for RATS orPubbies.

I would rather take my chances with teachers, engineers, architects, automotive mechanics, or Walmart greeters than have Dodd, Reid, Frank, Grassley, Hatch, Dingle, Conyers, Boxer, Feinstein, Feingold, Graham,

I do like DeMint though—but one out of hundreds don’t improve the odds. Oh, and by the way, I do not speak nonsense you condescending twit.


34 posted on 10/12/2010 11:36:04 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete
I worked in government for 35 years. I saw first hand what happens to honorable, decent, moral, and ethical people when they get elected.

I don't give a damn what your personal experience is; you have not answered my question. We have an experiment. It is California. We did term limits. It backfired. Things got worse. The legislature has become a revolving door for lobbyists, not everyday citizens.

I would rather take my chances with teachers, engineers, architects, automotive mechanics, or Walmart greeters

That's not what you get with term limits. They have to come up with the money to run in the first place from somewhere. That means sponsorship. What you get is an incompetent and crooked neophyte with unalterable and invisible loyalties.

If term limits ensured accountable government, please explain the behavior of the California legislature.

35 posted on 10/12/2010 11:52:47 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate IS the fifth column.)
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To: ohioWfan
I'm not a liar and that's what you implied....what do you think bi partisan is?
36 posted on 10/12/2010 12:38:35 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Monitor

Cavuto now speaking to how Insurance companies are being demonized.

Funny how the Dems want to confiscate such a criminal enterprise and yet they cannot explain why Obamacare will cost even more when run by a caring, competent, honest Federal Agency.

Private and competitive Health Insurance companies remain the best solution to paying for the most advanced medical care in the world. They have enabled revolutionary screening, pharmaceutical and medical procedure(s) research & development for over a century.

The government is about to seek and destroy a great enterprise.


37 posted on 10/12/2010 1:22:00 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: raptor22
When an insurance company covers pre-existing conditions, it is no longer insurance, because it is paying for an eventuality that has ALREADY OCCURRED. I'll bet had insurance companies taken it upon themselves to do so before the mandate, the state insurance commissions would not have allowed them to-the commissions would have an obligation to protect other policy holders.

Is this an angle that could be taken up in court?

38 posted on 10/12/2010 1:29:26 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: ohioWfan

10-4


39 posted on 10/12/2010 2:04:16 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: raptor22

You can access the vote for Obamacare at:

http:/clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll165.xml

You may want to consult it before election day. I’ve already sent it to everyone in my address book.


40 posted on 10/12/2010 2:57:39 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: dalebert
I never thought you were a liar, dalebert.

I just never heard any current Republican leader talking about compromise on the health care bill, and I wanted to see what you were implying by your accusation that they had.

I guess I don't accept any mention of the term 'bi-partisan' as meaning not standing their ground on the hideous health care bill.

As a conservative Republican, I will be the first to admit that our 'leaders' have been wimps and cowards, but I believe that they have actually been listening, and that we, the people, have power over them that we have not had before (at least the majority, and not the elitists, inside the beltway career politicians. They're hopeless and must be removed).

I apologize for any implication that you were lying. I just didn't see any back up for your comment, and thought that you might be stating your opinion as hard, cold fact.

If there are hard, cold facts that Boehner isn't going to stand his ground, I want to know so that we can make our opinions clearly known to him and to his staff.

There can be NO compromise on this hideous, liberty sucking bill.

41 posted on 10/12/2010 3:57:57 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Over and out??


42 posted on 10/12/2010 3:58:48 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Texas Eagle

FUBOcare short for F#$%^#-Up-By-Obama care....


43 posted on 10/12/2010 4:57:07 PM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Carry_Okie
I agree. Term limits is an idea whose time has gone.

The source of government corruption is government power to spend money where it should not, which is damn near everywhere these days.

44 posted on 10/12/2010 5:05:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Carry_Okie
I agree. Term limits is an idea whose time has gone.

The source of government corruption is government power to spend money where it should not, which is damn near everywhere these days.

45 posted on 10/12/2010 5:05:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
The source of government corruption is government power to spend money where it should not, which is damn near everywhere these days.

Frankly, I think that the power to keep people from making money by selective regulation is the bigger problem. Upon reflection, I think you would agree. It is a much more subtle way of controlling much more money than even government can spend.

46 posted on 10/12/2010 5:27:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate IS the fifth column.)
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To: ohioWfan

lol 10-4

First thing that popped into my head reading your comment.

I agree whole-heartedly with what you were saying
and 10-4 just seemed appropriate.


47 posted on 10/12/2010 5:42:10 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Oh good! I thought it was some kind of code or something... ;*)


48 posted on 10/12/2010 5:51:38 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: lurk

>Wouldn’t it be great if 100% of the population got a waiver from Obamacare, forever?

The problem with “forever” is that in Governmentese it means “until we change our minds.”


49 posted on 10/12/2010 6:19:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Okay, fair enough. I agree with your suggestion that the primary process has worked well. I have done a little research about the CA term limit issue and I see what you are talking about. I’ll think some more about this. However, I did not state that “term limits ensure accountable government.” Term limits would have to be part of a total package (see Randy Barnett’s Bill of Federalism).

I do like what Gov. Christie is doing—and he IS a neophyte. He has the guts to take on the unions. True courage is rare in life. Also, NY State is in much the same situation as California and they have no term limits. As I see it the main problem in California is that they spend more than they make. That’s true in most blue states—net-users of the system outnumber the net-payers and thus vote themselves an ever-increasing share of the pie. California just happens to be bluer than everywhere else. It appears that the problem IS exacerbated by term limits—but certainly not caused by it. I actually feel sorry for the folks in the Sierra and up north. Great country—too bad it’s in California.

What we both agree on is that the desire for personal gain on the part of the office-holder (power, money, influence, security, etc) overrides the mandate to do the people’s business for the general welfare. The public trust is broken.

When the average person is asked to vote “yes” or “no”, they generally ask “How much is it? Is it any good?” This is basic cost benefit analysis. The next question is “Can I afford it?”

These are fundamental questions that Grassley, Hatch, Cornyn, McCain, Lott, McConnell, Graham, and all the other Pubs don’t ask. They want to compromise—IMMEDIATELY. They are too fearful that the gravy train of power and perks and DC cocktail parties will end. How to control the corrupting influences of office is still at the heart of saving our Republic. Let’s see how long Gov. Christie can hold off the need to perpetuate his power and avoid compromise. I see signs of wavering already.


50 posted on 10/13/2010 5:49:27 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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