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U.S. Alarmed by Harsh Tone of China’s Military
The New York Times via The Drudge Report ^ | 10/11/2010 | MICHAEL WINES

Posted on 10/12/2010 12:37:55 PM PDT by zippythepinhead

BEIJING — Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates met his Chinese counterpart, Liang Guanglie, in Vietnam on Monday for the first time since the two militaries suspended talks with each other last winter, calling for the two countries to prevent “mistrust, miscalculations and mistakes.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; conflict; military; us
China is the two ton gorilla in the room nobody is watching. Remember Japan in the 1930s?
1 posted on 10/12/2010 12:38:01 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: zippythepinhead
Not to worry.

Obama has our 6.

2 posted on 10/12/2010 12:38:51 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: zippythepinhead

Our enemies have a window open they will never have again.


3 posted on 10/12/2010 12:39:51 PM PDT by AU72
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To: zippythepinhead
China begins throwing their weight around following the election of a weak, incompetent, America-hating left wing stooge to the White House.

Surprising only to those incapable of critical thought.

4 posted on 10/12/2010 12:40:29 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: zippythepinhead

I know what! Let’s let them steal EVEN MORE of our technology. Or maybe Obama could bring in Clinton to help sell it to them cheap.


5 posted on 10/12/2010 12:41:00 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: AU72

“Our enemies have a window open they will never have again.”

I presume you mean between now and the election. It’s October all over again.


6 posted on 10/12/2010 12:41:34 PM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: zippythepinhead

Within their own country, the Chinese military are coddled, have great resources, political power, with special rights and privileges beyond those of ordinary people - and they believe their own propoganda. Of course they are arrogant.


7 posted on 10/12/2010 12:42:07 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: zippythepinhead

All American’s should be worried, very worried.


8 posted on 10/12/2010 12:43:51 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: zippythepinhead
U.S. Alarmed by Harsh Tone of China’s Military

The scary thing is not China's tone, but that the US is surprised. For several years in response to what should have been an alarming buildup, the Pentagon has either been seeing what they wanted to see and disregarding the big picture, or following political expediency to the letter.

A country doesn't build up it's military the way China has in the last several years unless it has something in mind.

9 posted on 10/12/2010 12:44:25 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: zippythepinhead
“All militaries need a straw man, a perceived enemy, for solidarity,” said Huang Jing, a scholar of China’s military and leadership at the National University of Singapore. “And as a young officer or soldier, you always take the strongest of straw men to maximize the effect. Chinese military men, from the soldiers and platoon captains all the way up to the army commanders, were always taught that America would be their enemy.”

Good opportunity for India and Russia to eat China's lunch.

While Japan & the Phillipines holds their jackets.

10 posted on 10/12/2010 12:44:46 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: zippythepinhead

Hey, not to worry. I have it on good authority, (free trade proponent freepers), that we have made China LESS of a worry. You see, if we trade with them, and encourage offshoring manufacturing to China, it will raise their standard of living. The Chinese will then see the light, free trade is good for everyone! And, with the process, Americans will be freed up from those dull, meaningless jobs and will be able to pursue more important things.

So, you see. China is a harmless teddy bear. Our good friend, tied to us through economy, and would never harm us. And our people are prosperous, and busily doing more important things than manufacturing stuff we need.

It’s all wonderful.


11 posted on 10/12/2010 12:44:51 PM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: zippythepinhead
Watching has not been the problem. Taking appropriate actions and preparations have been the problem. Clinton called the Chinese "our strategic partners" while selling missile secrets for cash contributions.

Bush called the Chinese "rivals" but fell short of treating them as adversaries, even after their little inauguration present of downing a P3 in international airspace. Both presidents signalled weakness.

Obama flashes not just weakness but supine submissiveness. No wonder the Chinese believe their time has come. Expect more aggressiveness, especially around the South China Sea, as China expands its hegemony into southeast Asia and Pacific.

12 posted on 10/12/2010 12:47:49 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: George from New England
While waiting for my wife to check out of the hospital I flipped the rooms tv and found CCTV, CHICOM TV. For 30 minutes I saw PLA war games in Central Asia along with comments from 4 star Generals.

Nothing good about it.

13 posted on 10/12/2010 12:49:02 PM PDT by AU72
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To: zippythepinhead

Obama reasoning:

“No problem. Just sell them rights to purchase, and eventually produce, all of our planes, ships, and weapons systems and then they’ll leave us alone. We’ll be their best friends!”


14 posted on 10/12/2010 1:00:33 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The 11th Fleet is something of an anomaly..

..just saying..


15 posted on 10/12/2010 1:01:23 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: zippythepinhead

All of the Republican candidates should add the following phrase to their litany of reasons to not elect Democrats:

...and the build-up in aggressive Chinese rhetoric that concerns the Pentagon...

or something like that. No follow-up is necessary. Just lay the idea out there that Bambi and the D’s are concerned, but doing nothing about it.


16 posted on 10/12/2010 1:09:17 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: zippythepinhead

“Harsh Tone”?

Who writes these headlines for the NYT?

The Uptown Gay Hiney Slappers?

Or is this phrasing something suggested by the Gaybama administration?

When did the men in American start getting their knickers knotted over “harsh tones”?


17 posted on 10/12/2010 1:09:42 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I prayed: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it - He sent the Obamas.)
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To: zippythepinhead
"China is the two ton gorilla in the room nobody is watching."

You're mixing cliches. The "elephant in the living room" is a huge problem that people ignore until it's too late. The "800 pound gorilla" is the big, bad, boss animal that eats whatever it wants (calls the shots).

That said, you're absolutely right that the Chicoms are the elephant in the living room. We ignore them at our peril.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

18 posted on 10/12/2010 1:11:50 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: zippythepinhead

Keep shopping at Wal-mart folks the Chicoms need your money (to kill your kids). Isn’t it great how we send mountains of $$$ and millions of jobs to China? Way to go Clinton, Bush, Obama!


19 posted on 10/12/2010 2:18:06 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: zippythepinhead

Well, DUH!! The Brass is just now figuring this out?! We have been saying this for years as they have been building up their strength. I’m just surprised that China has not yet made a move on Taiwan. I thought they would do it once Obama was elected. Oh well, they still have a couple years in which to accomplish that.


20 posted on 10/12/2010 2:21:59 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: zippythepinhead
I blame Soetoro for not bowing deeply enough.

There is only one course of action when appeasement doesn't work:

Engage in more appeasment.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

21 posted on 10/12/2010 2:35:47 PM PDT by The Comedian (Keep talking while I reload...)
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To: PGR88

the way you described Chinese military, they seem to have the same perks as our government bodies in DC.


22 posted on 10/12/2010 2:40:33 PM PDT by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
The next time we meet the Chinese in Vietnam, it'll be on behalf of Vietnam, which will be under Chinese attack and invasion. [puts away the crystal ball] Thanks zippythepinhead.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates met his Chinese counterpart, Liang Guanglie, in Vietnam on Monday for the first time since the two militaries suspended talks with each other last winter

23 posted on 10/12/2010 5:51:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: The Comedian

If we surrender Taiwan now maybe they will forgive all those treasury bonds they own.


24 posted on 10/12/2010 10:50:01 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Is that our 6? Or 666?


25 posted on 10/12/2010 10:50:45 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: La Lydia

We could sell the chicoms hollywood. Trade them for Taiwan.


26 posted on 10/12/2010 10:51:55 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: PGR88

We should not fear them. But that doesn’t mean be complacent. Obama sold his own grandma out. He would sell his country out just like he already has.


27 posted on 10/12/2010 10:53:42 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: DeweyCA

They need to improve their “Engrish.”


28 posted on 10/12/2010 10:57:08 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: b4its2late

We should be worried if they decide to go to war. America will always be strong. We will face great challenges ahead beyond our comprehension. But we will survive.


29 posted on 10/12/2010 11:01:13 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: wku man

Gorillaphant.


30 posted on 10/12/2010 11:03:35 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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To: zippythepinhead

Agreed. Keeping in mind that it takes 1.5 Billion Chinese to equal the GDP od 200 million (the Japanese), we should keep things in perspective. There are things a responsible country should do before allowing a dog to bite with impunity. When we see the whites of thier fangs, we need to knock thier face in the dirt, hard. Any other action will be misunderstood to be weakness, thus encouraging more of the same. China is not what they perceive themselves to be. They are itching for a place in the world that they are not yet capable of fulfilling.


31 posted on 10/12/2010 11:15:02 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: zippythepinhead
Czechoslovakia Alarmed by Harsh Tone of Germany's Military
32 posted on 10/14/2010 10:06:57 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Worldwide Press Spin, Nov. 3rd? "America is RACIST(sic)". Take that to the bank. Ink already ready.)
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To: Jeff Head

Ping...You have had your finger on this pulse for a long time, now. I figured you might want to see this.


33 posted on 10/14/2010 11:57:03 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Greenpees
Where CHina is a threat is the way in which they have a lock on much of strategic resource production, especially Rare Earths, while our nitwit government has been making it increasingly for any extractive industry here, be it mining, oil exploration, or even farming.

In the meantime, we have built their industry from foodstuffs to light bulbs to tracked equipment, rather than insist our own government back off ridiculous moving-target standards without any basis in science so we can build our own. When we can't produce the steel to up-armor humvees fast enough, how in the heck are we going to do full-fledged war production? Not to mention the people we'd need to manufacture things. At least 'Rosie's riveters' were farm gals who knew which end of the pail to pour out of.

Computerized robot controlled production is dandy--if you can get the raw materials and rare earths to make things go--and no one EMPs the grid.

We've been dashing around with the back flap open on our industrial union suit for far too long.

34 posted on 10/15/2010 12:05:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: zippythepinhead

I think before the chins would even consider taking on the US they will need to get some experience. I would look for them to pick a fight with one of their neighbors (except Taiwan) to get a win under their belts and build confidence. They realize that the days of throwing bodies at the enemy are over even with a billion people. I don’t think they will go after Taiwan before they chalk up a victory somewhere. Secondly, I think they have doubts about whether or not other countries in the region would stay out of a fight with Taiwan. One on one they could probably take most with exceptions of Japan, S. Korea, Australia and even Taiwan. But if these countries collectively stand up to them the chins would have a real problem on their hands.


35 posted on 10/15/2010 2:33:29 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Japan better be concerned about China’s military. They are closer than we are.


36 posted on 10/30/2010 11:18:14 PM PDT by zippythepinhead
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