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Biden: GOP could challenge Social Security in court
The Hill ^ | 10-12-10 | Michael O'Brien

Posted on 10/12/2010 1:23:40 PM PDT by Justaham

Vice President Biden suggested Monday evening that Republicans might try to challenge Social Security in court in the same manner they've challenged healthcare reform.

The vice president asserted that the GOP could wage a challenge to Social Security's constitutionality over the entitlement program's requirement that all taxpayers participate.

Biden noted at a fundraiser for Dan Onorato, the Democratic candidate for governor of Pennsylvania, that "Tom Corbett is one of a dozen Republican attorneys general actually suing” to challenge the healthcare law, referring to the state's attorney general and GOP candidate for governor.

"I wonder if next it’s Social Security," Biden added, according to a pool report. "We mandate you do that, too.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; biteme; joebiden; slowjoe; socialsecurity; vp
Joes has gone into the deep end. How can anyone take him seriously. The Dimwits have failed to deliver COLA for two years in a row because of their excessive spending, and now Biden delivers this scare tactic?
1 posted on 10/12/2010 1:23:42 PM PDT by Justaham
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To: Justaham

Joe is such an idiot sometimes.....more often than not...


2 posted on 10/12/2010 1:24:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Justaham

Planned? Hmmmm... Makes me wonder.


3 posted on 10/12/2010 1:25:05 PM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: Justaham

Poor Joe, such a vivid imagination. Now, get him to imagine Republicans are chasing him toward a cliff ~ and see if he runs out into heavy traffic!


4 posted on 10/12/2010 1:25:17 PM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: Justaham

Bite-Me is such an absolute a-hole


5 posted on 10/12/2010 1:26:19 PM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Justaham

What is this world coming to? Next thing you know, the Feds will be suing Arizona or something! Oh wait! .............


6 posted on 10/12/2010 1:26:25 PM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it's ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: Justaham

People aren’t really happy with SS either...apparently you haven’t been listening...


7 posted on 10/12/2010 1:27:09 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Justaham

I don’t know if I should laugh at him or cry for him.


8 posted on 10/12/2010 1:27:14 PM PDT by ScoopAmma (We are led by the Resident -in Chief; aka part-time member of Webelo Troop 44)
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To: Justaham

If there is any such thing as an idiot zone, Biden would take up all of it.


9 posted on 10/12/2010 1:28:02 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Justaham
Biden should be more worried they will be investing the corruption in this Democrat administration.
10 posted on 10/12/2010 1:28:27 PM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: muawiyah

Soviet Union 1922-1991
Social Security 1935-2010


11 posted on 10/12/2010 1:28:57 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

Social Security facts:

Until the 1980s SS cards expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes.

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary.

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Income. Now it’s 7.65% on the first $90,000

3.) That the money put into the Program would be deductible from income-tax. No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money would be put into an independent ‘Trust Fund’ and would be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other.

Under Johnson and a Democratic controlled congress, the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent.

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Under Clinton & Gore Up to 85% of your Social Security can be taxed.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was VP

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A: That’s right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security, even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

The worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it and believe that the Democrats are “for the people.”

AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 100% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!


12 posted on 10/12/2010 1:29:47 PM PDT by All Blue State
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To: Justaham

If only...


13 posted on 10/12/2010 1:29:54 PM PDT by Sursam Abordine
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To: Justaham

now that you mention it...

why am i paying into a ponzi scheme again? i thought they were illegal.

and where does the federal govt get the authority to demand i hand over 15% of my income so they can pay for other peoples retirement?

just because its been done for decades does not make it right or legal. please show me the line in the Constitution that gives them the right to demand i hand over my property for the private benefit of others


14 posted on 10/12/2010 1:29:57 PM PDT by sten
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To: Justaham
Idiocy. Sheer idiocy.

Par for the course for Plugs though.

15 posted on 10/12/2010 1:30:56 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: Justaham

Kind of like what happened with DADT today Joe???


16 posted on 10/12/2010 1:31:16 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: Justaham
FDR extorted, intimidated or bribed SCOTUS in the 30s into allowing his patently unconstitutional programs, including the so-called “social security”. If Americans wanted to raise a challenge now, they waited too long — Hussein has loaded the court with hard-core leftists.
17 posted on 10/12/2010 1:31:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: Justaham
Mr. Vice President, sir, moron, social security has ALREADY been before the Supreme court and not recently either. Under the constitution, according to the court in like ah, 1962 or something, Congress has broad authority to TAX, which really is what Social security is, a payroll tax. Meanwhile, you guys have mandated that people BUY insurance on their bodies, which is NOTHING like the power to tax and not constitutional either.
18 posted on 10/12/2010 1:31:39 PM PDT by jpf (ME in 2012.)
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To: Justaham
The Dimwits have failed to deliver COLA for two years in a row because of their excessive spending, and now Biden delivers this scare tactic?

The Democrat's spending has nothing to do with the lack of COLA. That's based on a formula set by 30 years ago. But I would point out to Biden that the people DID challenge the constitutionality of Social Security 70-odd years ago and the Supreme Court ruled against them in three or four decisions in the late 30's.

19 posted on 10/12/2010 1:33:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Justaham

....guess the dog food line don’t work anymore eh Biteme?


20 posted on 10/12/2010 1:35:22 PM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: All Blue State
AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 100% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!

I'm sure Congress would love it if they could get away with it, but that's nowhere near to being true.

21 posted on 10/12/2010 1:35:50 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: sten

Silly Sten, we don’t live under the protections of the Constitution anymore. Where have you been?


22 posted on 10/12/2010 1:41:08 PM PDT by CherylBower (Fire the liars)
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To: Sacajaweau

It floors me that this moron is able to walk and breath at the same time.

Mac daddy is he worst POTUS and biden is the dumbest VPOTUS.

The perfect pair.


23 posted on 10/12/2010 1:45:30 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Justaham

yes woe could and we’d have a strong basis for doing so. However the GOP is too spineless to even consider such a sensible and possibly nation saving move.


24 posted on 10/12/2010 1:51:07 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Justaham
"I wonder if next it’s Social Security," Biden added, according to a pool report. "We mandate you do that, too.”

That's your selling point? How far in debt is Socialist Security?

25 posted on 10/12/2010 1:51:45 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Justaham

Not going to happen.

It’s the demwits that have thrown granny and gramps under the bus big time with OBAMACARE!


26 posted on 10/12/2010 1:51:45 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: Non-Sequitur
There's a minimum 5 year service time to qualify for retirement, provided you meet the age limit ~ but that doesn't pay very much compared to a FULL CAREER of 40 years.

Congress Critters do earn 2 years service time for retirement for each 1 year served in Congress (or other federal service).

27 posted on 10/12/2010 1:52:35 PM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: Justaham
The Dimwits have failed to deliver COLA for two years in a row because of their excessive spending, and now Biden delivers this scare tactic?

The COLA is directly calculated from the previous year's Consumer Price Index averaged over July through September. The summer of 2008 was when gasoline prices broke $4 and natural gas and food spiked similarly. By Christmas 2008 I paid only $1.41 for gasoline. The following year the CPI was lower than 2008, so the COLA would have been negative except for rules prohibiting a reduction in payments forcing the the drop to be carried over to future years.

If the months used to calculated the COLA had been October through November (avoiding the summer 2008 spike), the 2009, 2010 and 2011 SS increases would have been about 1.5% each year instead of 5.8%, 0% and 0% for those three years.

28 posted on 10/12/2010 1:53:15 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! Oot piffoo blaboo...)
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To: utherdoul

What a great idea, Joe!

There really isn’t any Constitutional authority for social security, either.

So... you’re saying that we shouldn’t challenge ANY federal program based on Constitutional authority (or lack thereof)?


29 posted on 10/12/2010 1:57:24 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Justaham

30 posted on 10/12/2010 1:58:04 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: All Blue State

What we really need is a sort of giant Fly paper strips with some really sticky stuff on it. Make it smell like money and they would be stuck all over it, they simply wouldn’t be able to resist. Then you could stand around and watch them struggle and starve......


31 posted on 10/12/2010 1:58:13 PM PDT by mongo141
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To: Justaham

I wouldn’t mid opting out of SS. The Amish can do so. The Amish and Muslims can also opt out of the 0bamacare mandates. But SS is actually a real tax, so this idea of a “trust fund” was always a gimmick to get the public to go along. Because they lack uniformity, and because they were not considered taxes in the law itself, it will be difficult to make a rational case that the mandates are tax. The DOJ has already backed out of the commerce clause argument for the VA challenge.


32 posted on 10/12/2010 2:02:41 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Justaham

It must be getting harder and harder to scare the seniors with the Social Security lies...the lengths to which they must now go, outrageous.


33 posted on 10/12/2010 2:03:15 PM PDT by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: CherylBower

kinda my point

of course, if we don’t live under the Constitution, then the only right they have to make any demands of me are under the threat of violence

otherwise known as tyranny


34 posted on 10/12/2010 2:03:59 PM PDT by sten
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To: Justaham

What really takes gall here is that the Administration under which the VP serves is currently holding hearings to determine whether they can confiscate all private retirement investments and force everyone into a government controlled plan. This is being proposed as a means to “bail out” the underfunded and bankrupt public union pension funds.


35 posted on 10/12/2010 2:13:01 PM PDT by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Joe is such an idiot sometimes.....more often than not...

Yeah, sometimes his gums get to spontaneously flapping and the weirdest random Pelosi starts coming out.

36 posted on 10/12/2010 2:24:17 PM PDT by Sparticus (November - no unrung doorbells!!)
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To: Justaham

Poor thing, he’s off his meds again.


37 posted on 10/12/2010 2:28:14 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Justaham

Unfortunately, we can’t sue the government to block a tax. They have a right under the constitution to tax us.

In fact, if they had simply set a large tax for “health care”, and then provided an equally large tax credit for purchasing health care, they could have effectively mandated health care for everybody, in an unfortunate perfectly legal way.

They do that with all sorts of stuff. They didn’t “require” anybody to buy a hybrid car, but they overtaxed everybody, and then gave tax credits for those people who bought a hybrid.

But with health care, they made it a law that you had to buy health care insurance, and if you didn’t, they imposed penalties.


38 posted on 10/12/2010 2:58:27 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Justaham
The judicial branch had a chance to strike down Social Security and it dropped the ball. It will take a Republican Congress to end it and I don't think it can be done overnight. I think it will need to be phased out over a 3-5 year period.

Seniors will need a year or two to make other arrangements.

39 posted on 10/12/2010 3:02:56 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Justaham

We’re Americans, we have no standing in court.


40 posted on 10/12/2010 8:11:01 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Liberal homosexuals oppose diversity.)
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