Skip to comments.Biden: GOP could challenge Social Security in court
Posted on 10/12/2010 1:23:40 PM PDT by Justaham
Vice President Biden suggested Monday evening that Republicans might try to challenge Social Security in court in the same manner they've challenged healthcare reform.
The vice president asserted that the GOP could wage a challenge to Social Security's constitutionality over the entitlement program's requirement that all taxpayers participate.
Biden noted at a fundraiser for Dan Onorato, the Democratic candidate for governor of Pennsylvania, that "Tom Corbett is one of a dozen Republican attorneys general actually suing to challenge the healthcare law, referring to the state's attorney general and GOP candidate for governor.
"I wonder if next its Social Security," Biden added, according to a pool report. "We mandate you do that, too.
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Joe is such an idiot sometimes.....more often than not...
Planned? Hmmmm... Makes me wonder.
Poor Joe, such a vivid imagination. Now, get him to imagine Republicans are chasing him toward a cliff ~ and see if he runs out into heavy traffic!
Bite-Me is such an absolute a-hole
What is this world coming to? Next thing you know, the Feds will be suing Arizona or something! Oh wait! .............
People aren’t really happy with SS either...apparently you haven’t been listening...
I don’t know if I should laugh at him or cry for him.
If there is any such thing as an idiot zone, Biden would take up all of it.
Soviet Union 1922-1991
Social Security 1935-2010
Social Security facts:
Until the 1980s SS cards expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes.
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary.
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Income. Now it’s 7.65% on the first $90,000
3.) That the money put into the Program would be deductible from income-tax. No longer tax deductible
4.) That the money would be put into an independent ‘Trust Fund’ and would be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other.
Under Johnson and a Democratic controlled congress, the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent.
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.
Under Clinton & Gore Up to 85% of your Social Security can be taxed.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was VP
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: That’s right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security, even though they never paid a dime into it!
Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
The worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it and believe that the Democrats are “for the people.”
AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 100% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!
now that you mention it...
why am i paying into a ponzi scheme again? i thought they were illegal.
and where does the federal govt get the authority to demand i hand over 15% of my income so they can pay for other peoples retirement?
just because its been done for decades does not make it right or legal. please show me the line in the Constitution that gives them the right to demand i hand over my property for the private benefit of others
Par for the course for Plugs though.
Kind of like what happened with DADT today Joe???
The Democrat's spending has nothing to do with the lack of COLA. That's based on a formula set by 30 years ago. But I would point out to Biden that the people DID challenge the constitutionality of Social Security 70-odd years ago and the Supreme Court ruled against them in three or four decisions in the late 30's.
....guess the dog food line don’t work anymore eh Biteme?
I'm sure Congress would love it if they could get away with it, but that's nowhere near to being true.
Silly Sten, we don’t live under the protections of the Constitution anymore. Where have you been?
It floors me that this moron is able to walk and breath at the same time.
Mac daddy is he worst POTUS and biden is the dumbest VPOTUS.
The perfect pair.
yes woe could and we’d have a strong basis for doing so. However the GOP is too spineless to even consider such a sensible and possibly nation saving move.
That's your selling point? How far in debt is Socialist Security?
Not going to happen.
It’s the demwits that have thrown granny and gramps under the bus big time with OBAMACARE!
Congress Critters do earn 2 years service time for retirement for each 1 year served in Congress (or other federal service).
The COLA is directly calculated from the previous year's Consumer Price Index averaged over July through September. The summer of 2008 was when gasoline prices broke $4 and natural gas and food spiked similarly. By Christmas 2008 I paid only $1.41 for gasoline. The following year the CPI was lower than 2008, so the COLA would have been negative except for rules prohibiting a reduction in payments forcing the the drop to be carried over to future years.
If the months used to calculated the COLA had been October through November (avoiding the summer 2008 spike), the 2009, 2010 and 2011 SS increases would have been about 1.5% each year instead of 5.8%, 0% and 0% for those three years.
What a great idea, Joe!
There really isn’t any Constitutional authority for social security, either.
So... you’re saying that we shouldn’t challenge ANY federal program based on Constitutional authority (or lack thereof)?
What we really need is a sort of giant Fly paper strips with some really sticky stuff on it. Make it smell like money and they would be stuck all over it, they simply wouldn’t be able to resist. Then you could stand around and watch them struggle and starve......
I wouldn’t mid opting out of SS. The Amish can do so. The Amish and Muslims can also opt out of the 0bamacare mandates. But SS is actually a real tax, so this idea of a “trust fund” was always a gimmick to get the public to go along. Because they lack uniformity, and because they were not considered taxes in the law itself, it will be difficult to make a rational case that the mandates are tax. The DOJ has already backed out of the commerce clause argument for the VA challenge.
It must be getting harder and harder to scare the seniors with the Social Security lies...the lengths to which they must now go, outrageous.
kinda my point
of course, if we don’t live under the Constitution, then the only right they have to make any demands of me are under the threat of violence
otherwise known as tyranny
What really takes gall here is that the Administration under which the VP serves is currently holding hearings to determine whether they can confiscate all private retirement investments and force everyone into a government controlled plan. This is being proposed as a means to “bail out” the underfunded and bankrupt public union pension funds.
Yeah, sometimes his gums get to spontaneously flapping and the weirdest random Pelosi starts coming out.
Poor thing, he’s off his meds again.
Unfortunately, we can’t sue the government to block a tax. They have a right under the constitution to tax us.
In fact, if they had simply set a large tax for “health care”, and then provided an equally large tax credit for purchasing health care, they could have effectively mandated health care for everybody, in an unfortunate perfectly legal way.
They do that with all sorts of stuff. They didn’t “require” anybody to buy a hybrid car, but they overtaxed everybody, and then gave tax credits for those people who bought a hybrid.
But with health care, they made it a law that you had to buy health care insurance, and if you didn’t, they imposed penalties.
Seniors will need a year or two to make other arrangements.
We’re Americans, we have no standing in court.