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Confessions of an [NFL] agent (The best piece of sports investigative reporting this year)
Sports Illustrated ^ | 10/18/10 | George Dohrmann

Posted on 10/12/2010 2:19:40 PM PDT by truthandlife

I will never forget the first time I paid a player.

There are moments you will always remember, like your first kiss or your first home run or the day you met your wife. For me, the first time I broke an NCAA rule to try to land a client is just as indelible.

It was before the 1990 football season, and I flew from Los Angeles to Denver and drove to the University of Colorado to try to meet with Kanavis McGhee. He was a big, pass-rushing linebacker who was expected to be a high pick in the 1991 NFL draft. I was 20 years old -- the youngest agent ever certified by the NFL Players Association -- and had less than a year's experience, but for whatever reason I convinced myself that I had a shot with him.

I figured out where Kanavis lived, drove to his apartment and knocked on the door. No one answered, so I waited. About four hours later, Kanavis finally came home and I bum-rushed him at the door.

"Hey, Kanavis, my name is Josh Luchs. I'm a sports agent, and I flew here from Los Angeles specifically for you," I said. "You're a great player and I came a long way, and I'd really appreciate it if you would sit down and talk to me for a few minutes."

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Mel Kiper and Gary Wichard will definitely be in trouble over this one. Very entertaining read.
1 posted on 10/12/2010 2:19:43 PM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife

I relished every sentence.

This is the kind of down-in-the-dirt reporting that the print media will have to do if they want to compete and stand apart.


2 posted on 10/12/2010 2:21:13 PM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: truthandlife

very interesting


3 posted on 10/12/2010 2:24:42 PM PDT by balch3
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To: truthandlife

I found this link on another site today and could not stop reading it!

I hope the author is heading into Witness Protection shortly, though.


4 posted on 10/12/2010 2:26:01 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: truthandlife
Jerry Maguire comes to life.
5 posted on 10/12/2010 2:32:25 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe baby!)
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To: truthandlife

I have a client who is a pro sports “agent”. Let me just say, it is a very dirty business!


6 posted on 10/12/2010 2:33:48 PM PDT by WellyP
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mark for later


7 posted on 10/12/2010 2:37:20 PM PDT by eureka! (Tea Party = Real Americans' ACORN --the ground game will save us.)
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To: truthandlife

This “agent” is a piece of trash. He broke the law then write this kiss and tell. Spoiled rich kid and jock sniffer too.


8 posted on 10/12/2010 2:37:59 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: truthandlife

Why is he talking about Datsun dealers and 280z’s when the company changed its name to Nissan when he was about eight years old.


9 posted on 10/12/2010 2:39:43 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: truthandlife

Very interesting article.

You know all this will be legit if no one sues Fuchs. He is outting some rich people who have the money to sue...you know Fuchs is telling the truth if they do not sue

So much for Mel Kiper’s credibility


10 posted on 10/12/2010 2:44:32 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (They don't let you build churches in Mecca)
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To: Frantzie

He might have been as dirty as the rest of the agents out there but there is a time where you just come to the realization that if you just dump the truth out there it will clear everything up. I think Floyd Landis was one of those guys as well as Jose Canseco.


11 posted on 10/12/2010 2:46:10 PM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: truthandlife
Great read but I am confounded about something.

I assumed that the greatest examples of uselessness were Hollywood Miscreants and Rock Stars. It seems as though Professional Athletes are right up there in the PPL (that's Pantheon of Pathetic Losers).

The only real heroes wear Military Uniforms, work in the field of Law Enforcement, Public Safety and the FBI/CIA undercover agents. To think otherwise is to forever remain a child.

12 posted on 10/12/2010 2:50:04 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: truthandlife
The dinosaur MSM has forgotten how to do investigative reporting like this.

This story is great from beginning to end.

13 posted on 10/12/2010 2:51:55 PM PDT by TYVets
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If you were a good player at UCLA, I made a run at you. I tried to get can’t-miss NFL left tackle prospect Jonathan Ogden as a client, but he wouldn’t take my money. He did, however, go with me to a Janet Jackson concert. My girlfriend got two tickets, and I told her, “Sorry, I need those tickets for J.O. He’s a big Janet Jackson fan.” Instead of going to the concert with my girlfriend, I went with a 6’9” guy who weighed more than 300 pounds and who screamed “Janet!” the whole night like a teenage girl.

The lunches, the money each month, the bail, the concert tickets, those were all NCAA violations, of course, but in my mind I wasn’t doing anything wrong. Doc would say to me, “We ain’t members of the NCAA. We didn’t agree to follow these rules.” I also justified it by remembering that the schools and the NCAA were making money while the players, many of whom came from poor families, weren’t getting anything but an education, which many of them didn’t take seriously. Plus, Doc and I knew that if they didn’t take our money, they would take it from one of the dozens of other agents opening their wallets. Agents have been giving kids money for decades.


14 posted on 10/12/2010 3:00:34 PM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: wmileo
That night I sat in my hotel room making a list of pros and cons in my head. Sure, it was breaking NCAA rules, but I would be helping Kanavis out. How would I feel if my mom was sick and I didn't have money to help her? I went through this for hours and finally decided to do it. The next morning I went to the bank, pulled out some of my bar mitzvah money, $2,500 in cash, showed up at Kanavis's door and told him, "Kanavis, I gave this a lot of thought, and I want to help you out. I know how I would feel if it was my mom."

I doubt that lending rent money to needy people had ever been done by him before or since that event, of course we know that he kept giving money to purchase access to people that could benefit him.

15 posted on 10/12/2010 3:01:04 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: truthandlife

Mel and Gary won’t be in any trouble, they didn’t break any rules.


16 posted on 10/12/2010 3:21:15 PM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: relictele

great article, but it isn’t really reporting - the guy penned a confession and sport illustrated fact checked.


17 posted on 10/12/2010 3:33:34 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Constitution Day

Very good read. Kind of a redemption tale.


18 posted on 10/12/2010 3:34:23 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Frantzie

The agent broke no law. THere is no law that says an agent can’t pay a player to sign up, or provide any kinds of other incentives.

THe NCAA is allowed to make RULES that govern whether a student can still play a college sport if they get payment or sign, but that’s the NCAA rules, not a law.


19 posted on 10/12/2010 3:58:25 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: truthandlife
Shockey??? i'm shocked...
20 posted on 10/12/2010 4:42:40 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: truthandlife
In 1999 the NFLPA had changed a rule to say that players who were found to have taken money from agents while in college would not have to pay the money back.

What stupid rule!

21 posted on 10/12/2010 5:52:06 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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I’m not sure that’s such a bad rule — at least from the NFLPA’s perspective. I don’t see how a professional player’s association like that should have any concern about what a player did before he was a member of the organization — at least in terms of what appears to involve no criminal behavior of any kind.


22 posted on 10/12/2010 5:57:46 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: truthandlife

Entertaining indeed! What a fabulous article and all around story. This Luchs fellow sure did have alot of dirt to dish and I am thankful he did so. A whole world that I never knew existed jumped right off the page.

Thanks for sharing.


23 posted on 10/12/2010 6:22:14 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: ansel12
I really don't have a problem with what the sports agent did. He thought he was helping a fellow human being who would in turn establish a professional relationship based on mutual interest and trust. Yes, he broke an NCAA rule but did not do anything terribly immoral.

My issue is with the so called Amateur Athletes who aspire to become professionals.

The way they have learned to use the system to get free stuff is indicative of their lack of character.

They have an opportunity to use the free college education to build some kind of foundation which will serve them well in the future as adults.

Instead they choose to take the low road. It is no wonder that many of them turn out to be less than exemplary role models.

Fifty or more years ago, a sportsman graduated college and then went on to play professional ball. They also went on to start a family and build businesses to sustain them in the future.

Today, that example is found only in the exceptions to the normal way of doing things. How many Professional Athletes are there who even go back to college after they turn Professional and get a four year degree like Emmitt Smith of the Dallas Cowboys?

24 posted on 10/13/2010 6:04:07 AM PDT by wmileo
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"weren’t getting anything but an education, which many of them didn’t take seriously. "

As a father who makes sacrifice sand tough choices about spending priorities every day to send three kids to college, I can't and won't sympathize with an amateur athlete who gets a free college education and in turn treats it like crap!!!

25 posted on 10/13/2010 6:12:37 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
I really don't have a problem with what the sports agent did. He thought he was helping a fellow human being who would in turn establish a professional relationship based on mutual interest and trust. Yes, he broke an NCAA rule but did not do anything terribly immoral.

The guy is an immoral scum bag that knew exactly what he was doing, and chose to make it a career. He is one of life's bad men.

26 posted on 10/13/2010 7:34:26 AM PDT by ansel12
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"The guy is an immoral scum bag that knew exactly what he was doing, and chose to make it a career. He is one of life's bad men."

I respect your opinion. This is not a Job I would choose for myself or my children.

However, my point is that the current state of Professional Athletics in this country is disturbing. I don't think it is the entirely the fault of the Agents , NCAA, Players Union or the Professional Leagues and colleges. It is the athlete him/her self who has to examine themselves and be held accountable for what they do with their life.

Professional Athletes have become part of an entitlement class along with Government Employees, Professional Politicians and Entertainers.

If they weren't playing games for pay they would be breaking into our houses!

27 posted on 10/13/2010 7:49:19 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: truthandlife
Why is there a double standard when the talent someone is blessed with is athletic as opposed to musical or intellectual?

Why do the colleges encourage and facilitate math students meeting with recruiters and headhunters for future job prospects but forbid the athletes from doing the same?

Is securing a negotiated pay scale for a job with the NFL somehow less worthy than doing the same with Goldman Sachs?

28 posted on 10/15/2010 11:21:33 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: wmileo
They have an opportunity to use the free college education to build some kind of foundation which will serve them well in the future as adults. Instead they choose to take the low road.

How are they choosing the low road by taking a job with the NFL and using their God given talents to make millions? Is there more honor in a math whiz becoming a quant for JPMorgan Chase?

29 posted on 10/15/2010 11:24:35 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: truthandlife

Interesting post!


30 posted on 10/15/2010 11:45:03 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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BY ASKING AN AGENT FOR MONEY WITH NO INTENTION OF EVER SIGNING WITH THAT AGENT, THEY TAKE THE LOW ROAD.

This is similar to extorting someones lunch money. And there is hardly a one that ever enters college with the intention of getting a degree. They are told from the time they are small children how much better they are but for all of the wrong reasons.

The parents are also responsible for what kind of man they are raising in this environment. You can not just blame the agent.

31 posted on 10/15/2010 3:28:49 PM PDT by wmileo
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"Why do the colleges encourage and facilitate math students meeting with recruiters and headhunters for future job prospects but forbid the athletes from doing the same? "

In the practical sense, nobody is preventing Athletes from networking. The rules say you can't take money from an agent. They don't say that you can't speak with them.

Also as one of those math and engineering students who was interested in getting a job after studying for 4 years, it is not the same thing. No company offered me $2,500.00 so I could help my mother pay the rent.

They offered me a job. I did not get a signing bonus. I showed up for work and one month latter I received a pay check. Nobody gave me a car or subsidized my carfare on the train to get to work for that month.

It is not even close to being the same thing!

32 posted on 10/15/2010 3:38:02 PM PDT by wmileo
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Also as one of those math and engineering students who was interested in getting a job after studying for 4 years, it is not the same thing. No company offered me $2,500.00 so I could help my mother pay the rent.

That's because in the math world you were the equivalent of a Division III bench warmer. I assure you, had you been one of the top of statistical analysis at CalTech life would have been very different for you. And your post was still non-responsive as to the double standard for athletic skills as opposed to intellectual. Do you just dislike athletes?

33 posted on 10/15/2010 4:32:55 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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This is similar to extorting someones lunch money.

Being wined and dined as a potential lucrative client is the equivalent of "extorting someones lunch money"? I can't imagine all the "extortion" that went on at Gibson's Steakhouse today.

34 posted on 10/15/2010 4:35:14 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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Nobody at 'Gibson's Steakhouse' today or any other day is asking a potential employer to give him $$$$ in rent money for countless relatives in adition to getting a free lunch!

I will bet there is no rule against an athlete getting a free lunch while an agent is making his pitch. Amateur Athletes get free stuff from alumni all of the time.

Math and engineering students get nothing but words of encouragement. We wouldn't have it any other way!

35 posted on 10/15/2010 4:47:13 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
I will bet there is no rule against an athlete getting a free lunch while an agent is making his pitch.

And you'd lose that bet. And you still haven't given a reason for the double standard between top tier athletic ability and intellectual savant treatment about prospective employment other than a general sense of jealousy.

36 posted on 10/15/2010 5:11:25 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: truthandlife

bump for later read


37 posted on 10/15/2010 5:13:34 PM PDT by advertising guy (did you know you can type stuff in here ?)
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To: triumphant values
"That's because in the math world you were the equivalent of a Division III bench warmer."

I was waiting for the personal attack. It has been my life long experience as a Division III Engineer as well as a husband and father, that at some point in the discussion, someone will blink and make a personal attack or two. Usually this sort of thing happens when I am having a discussion with a left winger over politics.

I enjoy athletics as well. Giving Scholarships to college athletes was a grand idea to allow a poor kid who excels at sports a chance to get a college education he would not have been able to obtain otherwise. Somewhere along the line this practice has been distorted to the point that the education of the athlete has become a calamity.

38 posted on 10/15/2010 5:15:39 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
Amateur Athletes get free stuff from alumni all of the time.

In violation of NCAA rules. But graduate students get grants from donors, corporations, the government and alumni all the time and that's encouraged and even solicited. Why the double standard?

39 posted on 10/15/2010 5:15:46 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: wmileo
I was waiting for the personal attack.

It's a personal attack to differentiate you from the top tier math savants at MIT and CalTech? What thin skin you have.

40 posted on 10/15/2010 5:23:15 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: wmileo
Giving Scholarships to college athletes was a grand idea to allow a poor kid who excels at sports a chance to get a college education he would not have been able to obtain otherwise.

And if he can make 100 times more catching a football, then what's wrong if that's what the college exclusively educates him in? Does Juilliard make their viola scholarship students take organic chemistry? Does anyone ever write that up as a travesty?

41 posted on 10/15/2010 5:25:40 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values
The upper echelon of Intellectual college students are never facing an opportunity to acquire the wealth we are talking about. It is not even close.

There is no double standard. We are not even talking about the same thing.

Also, when was the last time a student got in trouble with the NCAA for getting a free lunch from an agent? The trouble usually arises when the college athlete/student accepts something more. Usually it is the athlete/student who is making the demands as was demonstrated in the article.

As I expected, you can't help making personal attacks. It does not bother me but it should concern you. In the heat of a reasonable disagreement, it just make your seem less than serious.

42 posted on 10/15/2010 5:36:41 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: triumphant values
The upper echelon of Intellectual college students are never facing an opportunity to acquire the wealth we are talking about. It is not even close.

There is no double standard. We are not even talking about the same thing.

Also, when was the last time a student got in trouble with the NCAA for getting a free lunch from an agent? The trouble usually arises when the college athlete/student accepts something more. Usually it is the athlete/student who is making the demands as was demonstrated in the article.

As I expected, you can't help making personal attacks. It does not bother me but it should concern you. In the heat of a reasonable disagreement, it just make your positions on this seem less than serious.

43 posted on 10/15/2010 5:37:55 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
The upper echelon of Intellectual college students are never facing an opportunity to acquire the wealth we are talking about.

Who do you think gets those billions in bonuses the big Wall Street firms shell out. How much does a partner from a NY white shoe firm make a year. What schools are they coming from?

I'll bet there were more 7 figure bonuses passed out in 2006 on Wall Street than there were 7 figure salaries in the NFL.

We're most certainly talking about a double standard.

Also, when was the last time a student got in trouble with the NCAA for getting a free lunch from an agent?

You tell me since you seem so willing to tell others they are wrong while you obviously argue from a position of ignorance.

44 posted on 10/15/2010 5:43:51 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values
I think you will find that the rigorous achedemic education curriculum of the musical, acting and dance students at Julliard is up to the same standards as the best schools in the country.

If all that the schools expect from an amateur athlete is to learn how to play games which will make them both large sums of money, they have lost their way as well as the athlete. They are supposed to be on the receiving end of a quality education.

45 posted on 10/15/2010 5:46:15 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
I think you will find that the rigorous achedemic education curriculum of the musical, acting and dance students at Julliard is up to the same standards as the best schools in the country.

You think? Well you don't know. I do. They study their genre, that's it unless they enroll in interdivisional liberal arts.

Again I'm going to ask you for the umpteenth time this thread, why are academic pursuits a more honorable pursuit than athletic pursuits?

46 posted on 10/15/2010 6:01:03 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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"Who do you think gets those billions in bonuses the big Wall Street firms shell out. How much does a partner from a NY white shoe firm make a year. What schools are they coming from? "

First we were talking about Excellent students in math an science and engineering. Now we are taking about Wall Street?

CEOs and Wall Street types did not get these large bonuses because they were gifted math students in college.

This is a far stretch from the basis of the article which started this discussion.

I hope for your sake you did not just find out that the richest people are not necessarily the smartest. I can live with that, can you?

47 posted on 10/15/2010 6:03:46 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
CEOs and Wall Street types did not get these large bonuses because they were gifted math students in college.

There are hundreds and hundreds of behind the scenes quantitative analysis specialists, arbitrage structurers and trading programmers that skim billions for these banks that make more than an NFL lineman. They are the math geeks at top school programs and they are HIGHLY recruited.

48 posted on 10/15/2010 6:13:04 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values
"Again I'm going to ask you for the umpteenth time this thread, why are academic pursuits a more honorable pursuit than athletic pursuits? "

Never in this entire thread did I say or imply that academic pursuits were more or less honorable than athletic.

It is never a case where the pursuit of excellence is without honor. In any field it is the perversion of the ideals associated with a failed system rather than the pursuit of excellence which is in question.

That is why I mentioned Emmitt Smith in an earlier response as someone who understands what is important in life. His own sense of honor is what makes him a success in all aspects of his life. He went back and got his 4 year degree out of both that sense of personal honor and his sense of responsibility to all of the young people who aspire to be what he has become.

49 posted on 10/15/2010 6:15:43 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
First we were talking about Excellent students in math an science and engineering. Now we are taking about Wall Street?

Yeah, Wall Street is electronic now or were you still picturing a giant chalkboard?

50 posted on 10/15/2010 6:17:32 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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