Skip to comments.You WILL buy Windows Phone 7
Posted on 10/13/2010 11:05:58 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
Perhaps Windows Phone 7 won't come dead on arrival after all. Maybe the analysts and naysaying pundits don't give Microsoft the respect it deserves. Maybe there is enormous pent up demand for Windows Phone 7. Maybe the silent majority that loves Microsoft products has waited for this day -- ah Monday, when Windows Phone 7 officially launches.
Three days ago, I asked: "Will you buy Windows Phone 7?" The response was immediate and overwhelming: More than 150 comments to the post and more than 3 times the usual number of e-mail responses I normally get to buying questions. Among the e-mail respondents, the majority plan to buy a Windows Phone 7 device. Even among those saying nay, many expressed interest if circumstances were different, such as Microsoft getting the product to market faster (they couldn't wait and already got something else) or limited carrier availability (in the United States, no Verizon. Yet.). Most of the e-mail respondents who chose something else bought or will buy an Android handset -- that's a painful dig for Microsoft, because Android more directly competes with potential Windows Phone 7 developers and smartphone buyers than iPhone.
I am still mulling how best to handle the responses. For today, I will start with those readers sending e-mail, because they are identifiable; many Betanews commenters aren't. I may post again over the weekend from commenters, some of which are sourer on Windows Phone 7 than the e-mailers. I'll start with an apology: There are simply too many of you to include in this post. I am cramming in more respondents than usual, but still leaving many out. Hey, much as I love long-form writing, a post using all the respondents would be in the 5,000-word plus range.
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Give It to Me Now With that introduction, I present the positive responses to the question "Will you buy Windows Phone 7":
"I'm buying Windows Phone 7," says Mike Hartman. "I'll be the first to admit the Android and iPhone usability is perfectly acceptable, but I have a platform that I'm already invested in." That platform includes Zune and the Zune Pass subscription service, which Hartman has. Among the respondents, he was among the most pragmatic about his expectations: "I've heard the live tiles on the home screen and the social networking integration is pleasantly surprising. I expect strong Outlook/Exchange integration but I don't suspect that will be that much different than iPhone's Exchange capabilities. Office compatibility is a plus, but I don't know how much actual 'work' I'll be doing on the road."
Microsoft couldn't pay to get buyers as certain as Seth Russell: "I can honestly say without any hesitation that I will be investing in a Windows Phone 7 smartphone." Many of his reasons mirror Microsoft marketing for WP7: Music and digital media, Office integration, mobile gaming and Xbox integration, among others.
"I'm gonna buy a Windows Phone 7," says Andy Green. Like many e-mail responders, Green is a "fan of Microsoft platforms for a long time -- 20-plus years. As a developer, their Visual Studio suite is terrific, and the .NET platform itself combined with Silverlight considerably shrinks development time, and that gives a huge advantage over other platforms like the iPhone and Android. We have existing applications out there for the iPhone and iPad, but we're anxious to start writing for WP7 -- we already have some ready to go at rollout." Green is enthusiastic but not obsessed. He owns iPhone 4, which he loves. "It's tough to scoff at the beautiful design, and it does have a boatload of apps. But I have to say that the newer approach that WP7 takes to the 'home screen' idea is fascinating, and I'm anxious to see if using it in real-life lives up to its potential." In follow-up e-mail I asked if Green would purchase a WP7 smartphone right away. "Absolutely."
Gusts Linkevics gives three clear reasons for choosing Windows Phone 7:
1. I am .NET developer, so developing for windows phone 7 for me would be easy, and I can make any app I need.
2. User interface seems very interesting.
3. Phones' hardware is very good for the moment.
Garrison Neely is similarly enthusiastic:
As a C# .NET programmer, my knowledge of Microsoft tools translates directly to the Windows Phone development ecosystem. The user interface stands apart from both Android and iPhone, and, from what I've seen in demos, is quick and responsive. I like that Windows Phone's minimum specs are strong, which will mean the phones will be able to handle pretty much anything thrown at them. Finally, I like that developers who have used XNA to design games for the Xbox 360 will be able to transition their abilities nearly seamlessly -- that's a great sign for gaming on WP7 devices.
Green adds to the developer perspective: "Writing for the WP7 platform is considerably less tedious than the iPhone or Android."
I WILL? Did they put that in the ObamaCare bill too?
No, the funded Patty Murray to the tune of 110,000.00
I will be buying one.
Probably the chief reason that the Win7 phones don't presently multitask is because a single .NET app is going to hog every bit of available resources while running.
People don’t give a rip what OS is on their phone. They have become consumers of services and want a certain “user experience”. Apple delivers that in spades, Android phones may figure it out...but Microsoft? Never.
I was going to buy an Android of some flavor but given I don’t have to learn a new language for Windows7 Phone programming I might go that route instead.
I’ll buy it when my cellphone bill doesn’t have to jump $40 a month to get it.
I agree. I don't understand how people can justify around $100 month for a cell phone. I really don't get it.
Users choose a platform/OS based on the applications they want to run. Making it easier to get developers on board results in more applications being available. Users will go where the applications are, and the applications will be where the developers are.
>>>I agree. I don’t understand how people can justify around $100 month for a cell phone. I really don’t get it.<<<
Free Republic everywhere you go. :-)
I don’t have an iPhone at this time, ONLY because I refuse to do business with AT&T.
So instead, I have a DroidX that I intend to dump the second iPhone contracts with Verizon.
I am burned out with anything Windows.
Win7 multitasks. They don't presently allow third party apps to multitask.
That's ALL I need. I am already addicted. Not having FR on my phone allows me to spend some time with my family.
>>>You WILL buy Windows Phone 7
No. Waiting for the Verizon iPhone :)
That worked for the desktop market. But it worked because it was part of a three part strategy (stranglehold on hardware manufacturers, coupled with plug-and-play). The problem is that developer support alone, without the other two prongs, is not a valid strategy.
It might be easier to develop on 7 than elsewhere, but it is all but given that any app that appears on 7 will also appear on Droid and iPhone, regardless of the fact that development might be easier for some developers.
MS’ strategy can work, but only if the novel UI approach is adopted by users. If it isn’t, then the entire strategy crumbles, and they will have to start again.
Reading the headline my first thought was that Obama and Pelosi included it in the ObamaCare bill, so supposedly we are all going to be forced to buy it.
If the experience of our own in-house developers is anything like typical, Apple is going to have to change it’s cryptic and seemingly schizophrenic approval process before you can say that any app that’s available on WP7 will be available for the iPhone.
I like a phone that does a few simple things. Takes calls, sends calls, stores some phone numbers, and maybe calculates your restaurant tip. That's It!
Oh and make it FREE.
Its called my work provided cell phone.
I like a phone that does a few simple things. Takes calls, sends calls, stores some phone numbers, and maybe calculates your resturant tip. That’s It!
Oh and make it FREE.
Its called my work provided cell phone.
Fair enough, and good point. But that is really outside of the development process itself, and more of a flaw in their basic business strategy. In fact, the point you raise will end up being a fatal flaw for iPhone, until they change it, especially now that they have lost the aura of being the one and only “cutting edge” mobile device.
I am just curious. How do you see HTML5 playing into this (nor for graphic intensive applications, obviously, but run of the mill apps)? I have read numerous articles that speculate that HTML5 will become the development platform for mobile apps. Having played around a fair amount on HTML5, it seems to me that it is good enough (and has enough support of the critical features) for most apps, and has the dual benefit of a) existing outside the scope of any OS-dependent app market and b) any app is OS independent.
It’s because they are targeting the typical user not a power user. Typical user would install an app...have their battery drain and then complain that WP7 sucks.
Unfortunately the stupid are dumbing down the phone. Apple has mastered this...appealing to the dumbest user and they will sing your praises. It’s yet to be seen if Microsoft can appeal to that same crowd.
...and a 2-year obligation.
Which WM6.5 did you have? I have a tilt 2 and it blows away any phone on the market (after I reloaded the ROM without all the ATT crap on it).
Problem with windows mobile was the carriers and hardward OEM were allowed to do whatever they wanted. Which ironically is the same problem Droid will face as well. Droid will sell in large numbers but the user experience will kill it as people complain after buying a cheap droid loaded with bloatware from the carrier. Same thing happened to windows mobile.
I can tell you that I personally felt pretty dumb for being a Windows Mobile 6.x user for several years.
I had a company provided phone a year ago or so. It was a Blackberry. I hated it. I couldn’t get the hang of the teeny keyboard, and I couldn’t keep it in my pocket. I gave it back. I’m back to using my personal phone (the razor). It works well enough, although call quality isn’t great (I don’t think there’s been much improvement in call quality in many years).
I’m not a developer, so I haven’t really paid much attention to that arena. I’m basically a network/Exchange administrator. I pay attention to what’s going on in the mobile device market because I’ll eventually end up dealing with those devices as mail clients. About the closest I get to development work is using Powershell and the Exchange Web Services API to script some automated processing of incoming email. I do talk to the developers on occasion, and they’re very frustrated with Apple and the approval process.
So in other words, a long-term criticism of the iPhone that Apple has already worked to alleviate is going to be in Microsoft's brand-new phone. It doesn't have copy/paste either, or IPsec for VPN.
WP7 is starting off way behind the competition.
It has context sensitive data transfer BUT they will add copy/paste early next year.
iPhone doesn’t multi-task.
I develop in .NET, Java and thanks to iPhone objective C... While I think objective C is the most obtuse of them all and Java the most elegant.. I personally own an iPhone.
If I buy a windows 7 phone it will only be to port things I write for other platforms, and that is only worth the effort if the adoption rate is reasonable... Frankly I don’t see it happening.
Yes it does. Originally it multitasked the same way WP7 does now, only within its own applications. It would be very difficult for any modern smart phone to operate if it couldn't multitask. Now the iPhone allows limited multitasking by third-party apps, where WP7 still offers none.
That should be after iOS 4.2, and after Android 3.0 is already shipping in phones. Like I said, WAY behind. Microsoft is promising stuff everybody else already has.
” limited multitasking”
Oh. So the iPhone doesn’t truely multitask!
What it does is still more than WP7, which is my point.
Just for comparison, how long did it take for Apple to get those things fixed after the initial release of the iPhone?
I consider that irrelevant. We're years later now, Microsoft has had plenty of time to get the copy machines up and running, not just off the iPhone, but for Android. But let's go over the big ones:
What I'm watching out for is the historical Apple haters who suddenly don't mind that WP7 doesn't have free multitasking, doesn't have copy/paste, doesn't allow removable SD cards, doesn't come on low-end hardware. The people who suddenly don't think those things are a problem, or start making excuses for them, will clearly expose themselves as hypocritical Microsoft fans.
I'm watching out for the Apple phanboys who'll crow about how far behind MS is, and then dismiss any talk of accomplishment when they catch up.
Does the iPhone have smart linking?
Are you implying that Microsoft is lying when they say not having cut-and-paste was a design decision, electing to go with smart linking which is quicker and more suite for 80% of the users?
What limitations do you find in not having unlimited multi tasking, especially considering that processor and battery limitations make it very uneconomical?
True. Apple Software was so much easier, much more intuitive, and so consistent that key commands were easily remembered, because they were always the same, program to program.
But, vendors developed more applications for Windows, than A/OS. The rest is history.
Another factor in the equation was Microsoft's agnosticism with respect to hardware. More variety of available peripherals and adapter cards provided more opportunities to develop applications that could leverage that hardware.