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You WILL buy Windows Phone 7
Betanews ^ | October 8, 2010 | Joe Wilcox

Posted on 10/13/2010 11:05:58 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

Perhaps Windows Phone 7 won't come dead on arrival after all. Maybe the analysts and naysaying pundits don't give Microsoft the respect it deserves. Maybe there is enormous pent up demand for Windows Phone 7. Maybe the silent majority that loves Microsoft products has waited for this day -- ah Monday, when Windows Phone 7 officially launches.

Three days ago, I asked: "Will you buy Windows Phone 7?" The response was immediate and overwhelming: More than 150 comments to the post and more than 3 times the usual number of e-mail responses I normally get to buying questions. Among the e-mail respondents, the majority plan to buy a Windows Phone 7 device. Even among those saying nay, many expressed interest if circumstances were different, such as Microsoft getting the product to market faster (they couldn't wait and already got something else) or limited carrier availability (in the United States, no Verizon. Yet.). Most of the e-mail respondents who chose something else bought or will buy an Android handset -- that's a painful dig for Microsoft, because Android more directly competes with potential Windows Phone 7 developers and smartphone buyers than iPhone.

I am still mulling how best to handle the responses. For today, I will start with those readers sending e-mail, because they are identifiable; many Betanews commenters aren't. I may post again over the weekend from commenters, some of which are sourer on Windows Phone 7 than the e-mailers. I'll start with an apology: There are simply too many of you to include in this post. I am cramming in more respondents than usual, but still leaving many out. Hey, much as I love long-form writing, a post using all the respondents would be in the 5,000-word plus range.

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That said, I have posted a shorter, but still lengthy, followup with e-mail respondents who won't be buying Windows Phone 7. Their reasons are meaningful, too.

Give It to Me Now With that introduction, I present the positive responses to the question "Will you buy Windows Phone 7":

"I'm buying Windows Phone 7," says Mike Hartman. "I'll be the first to admit the Android and iPhone usability is perfectly acceptable, but I have a platform that I'm already invested in." That platform includes Zune and the Zune Pass subscription service, which Hartman has. Among the respondents, he was among the most pragmatic about his expectations: "I've heard the live tiles on the home screen and the social networking integration is pleasantly surprising. I expect strong Outlook/Exchange integration but I don't suspect that will be that much different than iPhone's Exchange capabilities. Office compatibility is a plus, but I don't know how much actual 'work' I'll be doing on the road."

Microsoft couldn't pay to get buyers as certain as Seth Russell: "I can honestly say without any hesitation that I will be investing in a Windows Phone 7 smartphone." Many of his reasons mirror Microsoft marketing for WP7: Music and digital media, Office integration, mobile gaming and Xbox integration, among others.

"I'm gonna buy a Windows Phone 7," says Andy Green. Like many e-mail responders, Green is a "fan of Microsoft platforms for a long time -- 20-plus years. As a developer, their Visual Studio suite is terrific, and the .NET platform itself combined with Silverlight considerably shrinks development time, and that gives a huge advantage over other platforms like the iPhone and Android. We have existing applications out there for the iPhone and iPad, but we're anxious to start writing for WP7 -- we already have some ready to go at rollout." Green is enthusiastic but not obsessed. He owns iPhone 4, which he loves. "It's tough to scoff at the beautiful design, and it does have a boatload of apps. But I have to say that the newer approach that WP7 takes to the 'home screen' idea is fascinating, and I'm anxious to see if using it in real-life lives up to its potential." In follow-up e-mail I asked if Green would purchase a WP7 smartphone right away. "Absolutely."

Gusts Linkevics gives three clear reasons for choosing Windows Phone 7:

1. I am .NET developer, so developing for windows phone 7 for me would be easy, and I can make any app I need.

2. User interface seems very interesting.

3. Phones' hardware is very good for the moment.

Garrison Neely is similarly enthusiastic:

As a C# .NET programmer, my knowledge of Microsoft tools translates directly to the Windows Phone development ecosystem. The user interface stands apart from both Android and iPhone, and, from what I've seen in demos, is quick and responsive. I like that Windows Phone's minimum specs are strong, which will mean the phones will be able to handle pretty much anything thrown at them. Finally, I like that developers who have used XNA to design games for the Xbox 360 will be able to transition their abilities nearly seamlessly -- that's a great sign for gaming on WP7 devices.

Green adds to the developer perspective: "Writing for the WP7 platform is considerably less tedious than the iPhone or Android."

1 posted on 10/13/2010 11:06:04 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

I WILL? Did they put that in the ObamaCare bill too?


2 posted on 10/13/2010 11:09:09 AM PDT by MissyMack66 ("Liberalism is a mental disorder" Michael Savage)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

3 posted on 10/13/2010 11:09:51 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: SmokingJoe

Nope!


4 posted on 10/13/2010 11:10:14 AM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: SmokingJoe

No, the funded Patty Murray to the tune of 110,000.00


5 posted on 10/13/2010 11:10:28 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: SmokingJoe

I will be buying one.

http://www.windowsphone7.com


6 posted on 10/13/2010 11:15:31 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: SmokingJoe
"... I am .NET developer, so developing for windows phone 7 for me would be easy, and I can make any app I need."

Probably the chief reason that the Win7 phones don't presently multitask is because a single .NET app is going to hog every bit of available resources while running.

7 posted on 10/13/2010 11:17:55 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: SmokingJoe

People don’t give a rip what OS is on their phone. They have become consumers of services and want a certain “user experience”. Apple delivers that in spades, Android phones may figure it out...but Microsoft? Never.


8 posted on 10/13/2010 11:18:18 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SmokingJoe
Green adds to the developer perspective: "Writing for the WP7 platform is considerably less tedious than the iPhone or Android."

Developers are going to go where the user is. Users aren't going to care about whether developers have an easy time or not.

MS had a brilliant 3-point strategy for dominating the desktop market (one point being developer support). But it just doesn't apply to the completely different mobile phone market.
9 posted on 10/13/2010 11:18:39 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: MissyMack66

I was going to buy an Android of some flavor but given I don’t have to learn a new language for Windows7 Phone programming I might go that route instead.


10 posted on 10/13/2010 11:21:49 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: SmokingJoe

I’ll buy it when my cellphone bill doesn’t have to jump $40 a month to get it.


11 posted on 10/13/2010 11:23:11 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
I’ll buy it when my cellphone bill doesn’t have to jump $40 a month to get it.

I agree. I don't understand how people can justify around $100 month for a cell phone. I really don't get it.

12 posted on 10/13/2010 11:26:45 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: jjsheridan5
Developers are going to go where the user is. Users aren't going to care about whether developers have an easy time or not.

Users choose a platform/OS based on the applications they want to run. Making it easier to get developers on board results in more applications being available. Users will go where the applications are, and the applications will be where the developers are.

13 posted on 10/13/2010 11:29:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: SmokingJoe
Does it support my hardware platform?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

14 posted on 10/13/2010 11:29:36 AM PDT by The Comedian (Keep talking while I reload...)
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To: raybbr

>>>I agree. I don’t understand how people can justify around $100 month for a cell phone. I really don’t get it.<<<

Free Republic everywhere you go. :-)


15 posted on 10/13/2010 11:31:51 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: SmokingJoe

Nope.

I don’t have an iPhone at this time, ONLY because I refuse to do business with AT&T.

So instead, I have a DroidX that I intend to dump the second iPhone contracts with Verizon.

I am burned out with anything Windows.


16 posted on 10/13/2010 11:31:53 AM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Probably the chief reason that the Win7 phones don't presently multitask is because a single .NET app is going to hog every bit of available resources while running.

Win7 multitasks. They don't presently allow third party apps to multitask.

17 posted on 10/13/2010 11:37:23 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: Above My Pay Grade
Free Republic everywhere you go. :-)

That's ALL I need. I am already addicted. Not having FR on my phone allows me to spend some time with my family.

18 posted on 10/13/2010 11:47:22 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: SmokingJoe

>>>You WILL buy Windows Phone 7

No. Waiting for the Verizon iPhone :)


19 posted on 10/13/2010 11:48:48 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: tacticalogic

That worked for the desktop market. But it worked because it was part of a three part strategy (stranglehold on hardware manufacturers, coupled with plug-and-play). The problem is that developer support alone, without the other two prongs, is not a valid strategy.

It might be easier to develop on 7 than elsewhere, but it is all but given that any app that appears on 7 will also appear on Droid and iPhone, regardless of the fact that development might be easier for some developers.

MS’ strategy can work, but only if the novel UI approach is adopted by users. If it isn’t, then the entire strategy crumbles, and they will have to start again.


20 posted on 10/13/2010 11:50:19 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: SmokingJoe
You WILL buy Windows Phone 7

Reading the headline my first thought was that Obama and Pelosi included it in the ObamaCare bill, so supposedly we are all going to be forced to buy it.

21 posted on 10/13/2010 11:52:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Without Christianity there is no America.)
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To: jjsheridan5

If the experience of our own in-house developers is anything like typical, Apple is going to have to change it’s cryptic and seemingly schizophrenic approval process before you can say that any app that’s available on WP7 will be available for the iPhone.


22 posted on 10/13/2010 11:57:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: SmokingJoe
NO Thanks!

I like a phone that does a few simple things. Takes calls, sends calls, stores some phone numbers, and maybe calculates your restaurant tip. That's It!

Oh and make it FREE.

Its called my work provided cell phone.

23 posted on 10/13/2010 12:08:13 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: SmokingJoe

NO Thanks!

I like a phone that does a few simple things. Takes calls, sends calls, stores some phone numbers, and maybe calculates your resturant tip. That’s It!

Oh and make it FREE.

Its called my work provided cell phone.


24 posted on 10/13/2010 12:09:21 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: SmokingJoe
I am also a .NET developer and I will not be getting a WP7 for the following reasons:
  1. They lied about it being a quantum leap ahead of my WP6.5 (I've had a wretched time with this phone)
  2. Droid appears to have delivered on their promises and steadily gotten better
  3. Even though Eclipse is a little clunky compared to Visual Studio, I have no problem writing Droid apps

25 posted on 10/13/2010 12:16:07 PM PDT by GunningForTheBuddha ("Corrupt governments from little ACORNs grow. " - seton89)
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To: SmokingJoe
I am also a .NET developer and I will not be getting a WP7 for the following reasons:
  1. They lied about it being a quantum leap ahead of my WP6.5 (I've had a wretched time with this phone)
  2. Droid appears to have delivered on their promises and steadily gotten better
  3. Even though Eclipse is a little clunky compared to Visual Studio, I have no problem writing Droid apps

26 posted on 10/13/2010 12:17:05 PM PDT by GunningForTheBuddha ("Corrupt governments from little ACORNs grow. " - seton89)
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To: tacticalogic

Fair enough, and good point. But that is really outside of the development process itself, and more of a flaw in their basic business strategy. In fact, the point you raise will end up being a fatal flaw for iPhone, until they change it, especially now that they have lost the aura of being the one and only “cutting edge” mobile device.

I am just curious. How do you see HTML5 playing into this (nor for graphic intensive applications, obviously, but run of the mill apps)? I have read numerous articles that speculate that HTML5 will become the development platform for mobile apps. Having played around a fair amount on HTML5, it seems to me that it is good enough (and has enough support of the critical features) for most apps, and has the dual benefit of a) existing outside the scope of any OS-dependent app market and b) any app is OS independent.


27 posted on 10/13/2010 12:17:06 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: The KG9 Kid

It’s because they are targeting the typical user not a power user. Typical user would install an app...have their battery drain and then complain that WP7 sucks.

Unfortunately the stupid are dumbing down the phone. Apple has mastered this...appealing to the dumbest user and they will sing your praises. It’s yet to be seen if Microsoft can appeal to that same crowd.


28 posted on 10/13/2010 12:27:48 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Alex Murphy; raybbr; Above My Pay Grade
I’ll buy it when my cellphone bill doesn’t have to jump $40 a month to get it.

...and a 2-year obligation.

29 posted on 10/13/2010 12:30:18 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: GunningForTheBuddha

Which WM6.5 did you have? I have a tilt 2 and it blows away any phone on the market (after I reloaded the ROM without all the ATT crap on it).

Problem with windows mobile was the carriers and hardward OEM were allowed to do whatever they wanted. Which ironically is the same problem Droid will face as well. Droid will sell in large numbers but the user experience will kill it as people complain after buying a cheap droid loaded with bloatware from the carrier. Same thing happened to windows mobile.


30 posted on 10/13/2010 12:30:58 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

I can tell you that I personally felt pretty dumb for being a Windows Mobile 6.x user for several years.


31 posted on 10/13/2010 12:34:04 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: NavyCanDo

I had a company provided phone a year ago or so. It was a Blackberry. I hated it. I couldn’t get the hang of the teeny keyboard, and I couldn’t keep it in my pocket. I gave it back. I’m back to using my personal phone (the razor). It works well enough, although call quality isn’t great (I don’t think there’s been much improvement in call quality in many years).


32 posted on 10/13/2010 12:56:10 PM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: jjsheridan5

I’m not a developer, so I haven’t really paid much attention to that arena. I’m basically a network/Exchange administrator. I pay attention to what’s going on in the mobile device market because I’ll eventually end up dealing with those devices as mail clients. About the closest I get to development work is using Powershell and the Exchange Web Services API to script some automated processing of incoming email. I do talk to the developers on occasion, and they’re very frustrated with Apple and the approval process.


33 posted on 10/13/2010 1:38:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: SeeSac
Win7 multitasks. They don't presently allow third party apps to multitask.

So in other words, a long-term criticism of the iPhone that Apple has already worked to alleviate is going to be in Microsoft's brand-new phone. It doesn't have copy/paste either, or IPsec for VPN.

WP7 is starting off way behind the competition.

34 posted on 10/14/2010 7:23:23 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
It doesn't have copy/paste either,

It has context sensitive data transfer BUT they will add copy/paste early next year.

35 posted on 10/14/2010 7:43:23 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: antiRepublicrat

iPhone doesn’t multi-task.


36 posted on 10/14/2010 7:58:11 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: MissyMack66

I develop in .NET, Java and thanks to iPhone objective C... While I think objective C is the most obtuse of them all and Java the most elegant.. I personally own an iPhone.

If I buy a windows 7 phone it will only be to port things I write for other platforms, and that is only worth the effort if the adoption rate is reasonable... Frankly I don’t see it happening.


37 posted on 10/14/2010 8:08:11 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SeeSac
iPhone doesn’t multi-task.

Yes it does. Originally it multitasked the same way WP7 does now, only within its own applications. It would be very difficult for any modern smart phone to operate if it couldn't multitask. Now the iPhone allows limited multitasking by third-party apps, where WP7 still offers none.

38 posted on 10/14/2010 9:05:55 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SeeSac
they will add copy/paste early next year.

That should be after iOS 4.2, and after Android 3.0 is already shipping in phones. Like I said, WAY behind. Microsoft is promising stuff everybody else already has.

39 posted on 10/14/2010 9:10:29 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

” limited multitasking”

Oh. So the iPhone doesn’t truely multitask!


40 posted on 10/14/2010 9:42:49 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac
Oh. So the iPhone doesn’t truely multitask!

What it does is still more than WP7, which is my point.

41 posted on 10/14/2010 9:46:03 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
WP7 is starting off way behind the competition.

Just for comparison, how long did it take for Apple to get those things fixed after the initial release of the iPhone?

42 posted on 10/14/2010 1:42:48 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
how long did it take for Apple to get those things fixed after the initial release of the iPhone?

I consider that irrelevant. We're years later now, Microsoft has had plenty of time to get the copy machines up and running, not just off the iPhone, but for Android. But let's go over the big ones:

Microsoft will be offering the first two next year. That means it isn't a conscious design decision by Microsoft, but that Microsoft is rushing WP7 to market unfinished before their smartphone marketshare disappears altogether.

What I'm watching out for is the historical Apple haters who suddenly don't mind that WP7 doesn't have free multitasking, doesn't have copy/paste, doesn't allow removable SD cards, doesn't come on low-end hardware. The people who suddenly don't think those things are a problem, or start making excuses for them, will clearly expose themselves as hypocritical Microsoft fans.

43 posted on 10/14/2010 2:21:03 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
What I'm watching out for is the historical Apple haters who suddenly don't mind that WP7 doesn't have free multitasking, doesn't have copy/paste, doesn't allow removable SD cards, doesn't come on low-end hardware. The people who suddenly don't think those things are a problem, or start making excuses for them, will clearly expose themselves as hypocritical Microsoft fans.

I'm watching out for the Apple phanboys who'll crow about how far behind MS is, and then dismiss any talk of accomplishment when they catch up.

44 posted on 10/14/2010 3:01:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Alex Murphy
I’ll buy it when my cellphone bill doesn’t have to jump $40 a month to get it.

Agreed 100%!


45 posted on 10/14/2010 3:04:31 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Today, Congress. Tomorrow, the White House!)
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To: SmokingJoe

No


46 posted on 10/14/2010 3:06:31 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Does the iPhone have smart linking?


47 posted on 10/14/2010 3:09:57 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: antiRepublicrat
Microsoft will be offering the first two next year. That means it isn't a conscious design decision by Microsoft, but that Microsoft is rushing WP7 to market unfinished before their smartphone marketshare disappears altogether.

Are you implying that Microsoft is lying when they say not having cut-and-paste was a design decision, electing to go with smart linking which is quicker and more suite for 80% of the users?

What limitations do you find in not having unlimited multi tasking, especially considering that processor and battery limitations make it very uneconomical?

48 posted on 10/14/2010 3:35:24 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: tacticalogic
Users will go where the applications are, and the applications will be where the developers are.

True. Apple Software was so much easier, much more intuitive, and so consistent that key commands were easily remembered, because they were always the same, program to program.

But, vendors developed more applications for Windows, than A/OS. The rest is history.

49 posted on 10/14/2010 7:52:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
But, vendors developed more applications for Windows, than A/OS. The rest is history.

Another factor in the equation was Microsoft's agnosticism with respect to hardware. More variety of available peripherals and adapter cards provided more opportunities to develop applications that could leverage that hardware.

50 posted on 10/14/2010 7:58:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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