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SAAB - a car which returned from the Land of the Dead
13/10/2010 | WesternCulture

Posted on 10/13/2010 3:17:35 PM PDT by WesternCulture

Admittedly, I'm biased.

One of the prime reasons why I wish SAAB to survive is the fact that I'm Swedish.

Sweden and SAAB is one.

I have travelled, slept and ate in small SAABs.

As our country grew richer and richer, SAABs more and more got associated with pioneering turbo engineering and yuppie lifestyles.

However, unlike Volvo, SAAB never became a car for the vast masses over here in Europe. Perhaps in London, but not among the middle class in the Paradise of Sweden.

Perhaps because SAAB is very much of an individualist's vehicle and the average Swede isn't much of an individualist.

I guess I'm pretty much of a Swede. I abide the law and although I like America, I don't think we should employ their gun laws.

But, I also shed a tear when the historical mark of Oldsmobile recently was put to sleep.

Not only because I love USA, but also because I love cars.

Anyhow, Welcome back, SAAB!

Individualism and creativity is still needed!


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: automotive; cars; chat; saab; sweden; vanity

1 posted on 10/13/2010 3:17:40 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

SAAB in 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb20-AFJG0E


2 posted on 10/13/2010 3:18:05 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Care to give some background? Did someone buy Saab?


3 posted on 10/13/2010 3:20:58 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: WesternCulture

When my SAAB ran it was the greatest car I ever drove, the acceleration, the handling, were perfect; I could not keep it out of the shop. Lost more money on that used car than any vehicle I ever owned.


4 posted on 10/13/2010 3:22:06 PM PDT by Jolla
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To: WesternCulture

Arlo Pear loved his Saab!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bbq6MeFZ-s


5 posted on 10/13/2010 3:23:29 PM PDT by petercooper (Imam Obama)
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To: WesternCulture

Who owns Saab now? I know Koneigsegg was trying to buy it. I heard Porsche has part ownership. I think VAG (Volkswagen Audi Group) woul dbe a good owner or part owner because they are smart and have boat loads of money thanks in part to Dr. Piech.


6 posted on 10/13/2010 3:24:38 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: WesternCulture

SAABs are addictive but in the 80s they were pricey to maintain. I couple of brothers that I knew that owned them for about ten years said that it was really just simpler to find a mechanic that had two children in private school and offer to pay their tuition annually for the next ten years in exchange for labor — you would come out ahead.

Their recent convertibles are very striking and look to be great fun.


7 posted on 10/13/2010 3:27:06 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: WesternCulture

Saab is an incredible story of a manufacturer surviving by the shear will of its management team, workers, and enthusiasts all over the world who would not let it die.

I’m proud to be one of the enthusiasts. Even got my picture with my TurboX included in the Save Saab mural that hangs in the Saab headquarters today.


8 posted on 10/13/2010 3:27:55 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Frantzie
According to the Saab USA website, Spyker N.V. owns them.
9 posted on 10/13/2010 3:28:53 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Straight Vermonter

“Did someone buy Saab?”

- Dutch Spyker Cars N.V. did.

Regardless of that, the new 9-5 model was more or less ready for the assembly line by then.

Today it is out there on the market.


10 posted on 10/13/2010 3:28:59 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Have owned a total of six Saabs. One saved my life because of its good construction. Still have three...a 9-5 Aero wagon, a 9-3 convertible and a 9000. All have turbo 4-cyl engines. Power like a V8 when you need it, sips fuel like a little 4-cyl should when your off the turbo. I’ve gotten 33mpg on the hwy with A/C off. The power available at your foot for passing seems limitless.


11 posted on 10/13/2010 3:29:21 PM PDT by woofer2425 (You will all be using Macs within 5 years)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Spyker Automobiles purchased Saab. Saab now is an independent automobile company, out from under the abyssal management of General Motors.


12 posted on 10/13/2010 3:29:45 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Jolla

Would love to have a model 92, 3 cylinder 2 cycle, to go smoking down the street, and piss-off the greenies.


13 posted on 10/13/2010 3:30:04 PM PDT by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: Jolla
"Lost more money on that used car than any vehicle I ever owned."

Nothing depreciates like a SAAB except maybe yesterday's sushi!

I had two SAABs, both pre-GM. Same model, even similar colors. The first made it to almost 300k miles. The second made me swear I'd never buy another one.

My indy SAAB mechanic gave up and decided to specialize in Volvo Marine. Both my local SAAB dealers gave up and threw in the towel.

14 posted on 10/13/2010 3:31:13 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: WesternCulture

Always had a soft spot for this one.
15 posted on 10/13/2010 3:32:10 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: WesternCulture

Give those in the US the right price and you will become the top seller in North America!... Otherwise, it may be a nice car, but to become tops requires safety and reliability ratings...


16 posted on 10/13/2010 3:32:17 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: big'ol_freeper

“Saab is an incredible story of a manufacturer surviving by the shear will of its management team, workers, and enthusiasts all over the world who would not let it die.

I’m proud to be one of the enthusiasts. Even got my picture with my TurboX included in the Save Saab mural that hangs in the Saab headquarters today.”

- Regards from Western Sweden, a corner of the World where people still believe in.. producing cars!

(Apart from the Volvo and SAAB plants, Pininfarina manufactures the Volvo C70 model here on the West Coast of Sweden)


17 posted on 10/13/2010 3:35:37 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

18 posted on 10/13/2010 3:36:08 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sooth2222

I remember driving in France the next summer, every other day we saw a SAAB on the side of the road or being towed.


19 posted on 10/13/2010 3:37:50 PM PDT by Jolla
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To: WesternCulture
I abide the law and although I like America, I don't think we should employ their gun laws.

I agree, US gun laws are too restrictive and overreaching.

20 posted on 10/13/2010 3:39:55 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Drizzle, drazzle, dradle, drone. It is time for Obama to go home.)
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To: Frantzie

“Who owns Saab now? I know Koneigsegg was trying to buy it. I heard Porsche has part ownership. I think VAG (Volkswagen Audi Group) woul dbe a good owner or part owner because they are smart and have boat loads of money thanks in part to Dr. Piech.”

- Today, Dutch Spyker owns SAAB.

Let’s give ‘em a chance.

The Dutch are very good at business ventures.


21 posted on 10/13/2010 3:39:57 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
Anyone own one of the newer Saabs? I never owned one but have worked on a few over the years.

They really were some offbeat cars - the design engineers must have had a strong background in aviation. I can see how they might have mechanical problems, not because of flaws in the design but because most mechanics would be lost trying to figure them out.

22 posted on 10/13/2010 3:42:01 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: School of Rational Thought

“I agree, US gun laws are too restrictive and overreaching”

- Buy me a bottle of American whiskey and I might rethink.


23 posted on 10/13/2010 3:42:51 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Straight Vermonter
Care to give some background? Did someone buy Saab?

He's a Swede showing some national pride.He's an occasional poster here and is a really good guy so,IMO,there should be no problem.

24 posted on 10/13/2010 3:52:38 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: ZOOKER
"They really were some offbeat cars - the design engineers must have had a strong background in aviation. "

There was some really offbeat design stuff particularly on my first one -- it was as if a bunch of engineers who had never seen a car before were dropped in the middle of a field and told to design one. Things like the trademark ignition key on the floor, parking brakes that operated on the front wheels and a clutch that could be replaced without removing either the engine or transmission. I do miss it. Sometimes.

25 posted on 10/13/2010 3:52:52 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: WesternCulture

I will never buy a GM..... An Obama car will never be in my garage.

However, I understand that GM recently sold Saab to Spyker making it a Sweedish company once again. I’ve read that the 9-2 and 9-7 are gone from the lineup so no Saab cars are currently made in the US.

So, if Saab can get past the stench of being built on a GM foundation, it might do well and I might learn to like it.

I will never buy a vehicle made by Obama motors and I will never buy a car made by union hands.

Looking at the video, it looks very nice, so I’ll be watching for it.

You said, “ ...... although I like America, I don’t think we should employ their gun laws.” LOL... Does this mean that the Swedes should not be trusted with the responsibilities of gun ownership? I am kinda fond of our Second Amendment.


26 posted on 10/13/2010 3:53:01 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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To: WesternCulture

I love my 2000 9-3 convertible; purchased in 2007 for $9,500. I had no idea that it would have cost close to 40K new.

Now in Colorado, I can accelerate from 40 to 80 climbing a mountain pass, almost instantly. I still get 28 MPG. I plan to drive it to the top on Mt. Evans, 14,280 feet next season.

The convertible has a hard cover that fits over the drop top, so it looks clean with the top down. You would have to go with BMW or Mercedes in 2000 to get similar at much higher cost.


27 posted on 10/13/2010 3:55:47 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: All

A SAAB with the Two Stroke or V-4 were very easy to maintain, and parts were not pricey.

The Best SAAB ever was the 97 AKA Sonnet.

I owned 97’s, 96’s and 95’s. The corn poppers are great fun with thier blue trail of smoke.


28 posted on 10/13/2010 3:58:05 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Sooth2222
There was some really offbeat design stuff particularly on my first one -- it was as if a bunch of engineers who had never seen a car before were dropped in the middle of a field and told to design one.

It really sounds like you're talking about Citroën.

≤}B^)

29 posted on 10/13/2010 4:01:22 PM PDT by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Gator113

“- Does this mean that the Swedes should not be trusted with the responsibilities of gun ownership?”

- My opinion is that Sweden isn’t ready for the kind of gun laws you have in America.

The only reason I can see why we should be handing out guns to everyone is that we would be fighting the Russians.

Until such a situation emerges, Swedish drug addicts could stab each other with knives instead.


30 posted on 10/13/2010 4:02:20 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Jolla

My only Saab experience: a neighbor had one back in the mid ‘70’s. He called it “The Sorry Saab”. Our Volvo wasn’t any better. My dad called it the “health car”, so I asked him why. He said it built up his muscles pushing the dead thing.


31 posted on 10/13/2010 4:04:01 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: ZOOKER

I have a ten year old Saab convertible for summer driving. It has over 125K on the clock.

Do you see very many high mileage Saabs in your shop? The engines are allegedly good for well over 200K. We’ll see. Might get a little pre-emptive work done on it- replace the timing chain.


32 posted on 10/13/2010 4:15:13 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: TexasRepublic

“My only Saab experience: a neighbor had one back in the mid ‘70’s. He called it “The Sorry Saab”. Our Volvo wasn’t any better. My dad called it the “health car”, so I asked him why. He said it built up his muscles pushing the dead thing.”

- Give Swedish cars just another chance, won’t you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-YKzCsgE5I

(The 910 hp Koenigsegg Agera)


33 posted on 10/13/2010 4:16:18 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: cicero2k

Im on my second 9-5. The beauty is that they have no resale value and you can buy second hand for a steal. This one is a 2006 which was over 40K sticker. Picked it up in 08 with only 20K miles for 21K...about 50% off. And they certified it w full warranty to 6 years or 100K miles. I rent alot of cars and there isn’t a rental out there that handles like this. I’m guessing only the high end German and Japanese can match the handling. Rented a Corvette once when they offered it for a small up charge and could not believe that I could be so unimpressed. Great handling and good power. My first was a mechanics dream but this one is shop free for 3 years now.


34 posted on 10/13/2010 4:26:06 PM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: WesternCulture

I was only teasing you.

Do you folks ship all of the ugly girls to Russia? Maybe you guys just don’t allow the ugly ones to come to the states. In either case... thanks! ;>)

I have never seen a Swedish gal that wasn’t gorgeous.


35 posted on 10/13/2010 4:29:02 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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To: Erasmus

“It really sounds like you’re talking about Citroën. “

Naw...THOSE engineers were just told to design whatever the hell came to them after drinking two bottles of wine each.


36 posted on 10/13/2010 4:30:53 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Gator113
The Saab 9-4X debuts next year. Basically a Saab skinned Cadillac SRX, it will be the last GM influenced Saab.

The 9-4X is being assembled in Mexico initially but will eventually be built in Sweden, or at least the follow on to the 9-4X will be.

Saab is developing the next generation 9-3 to debut in 2013 and is doing initial planning on a 9-1 or 9-2 that will be a competitor for the Mini (conceptualized picture).

Having recently signed a contract with BMW to purchase engines, and American Axle to purchase drive trains, they have a good start.

37 posted on 10/13/2010 4:48:03 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: moehoward

WOW, a 1962/3 Sonnet


38 posted on 10/13/2010 5:00:42 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: WesternCulture
Buy me a bottle of American whiskey and I might rethink.

Find me a job in Sweden and I will and I will throw in a Basic Pistol Course.

39 posted on 10/13/2010 5:04:46 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Drizzle, drazzle, dradle, drone. It is time for Obama to go home.)
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To: Gator113

“I was only teasing you.”

- You didn’t show me a pic of your mum yet..


40 posted on 10/13/2010 5:05:08 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: School of Rational Thought

“Find me a job in Sweden and I will and I will throw in a Basic Pistol Course.”

- What about Minister of Immigration?


41 posted on 10/13/2010 5:06:54 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Oh I want them to be successful. I was worried Saab was going to disappear. Note that the Swedish govt said no bailout.

The Dutch are talented. Spyker runs

I am amazed the Koneigseeg builds their own engines. I think at first they bought Mercedes engines and now they build their own engines.


42 posted on 10/13/2010 5:26:39 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: InternetTuffGuy
Do you see very many high mileage Saabs in your shop?

I'm not a professional mechanic just a shade tree amateur. My SIL owned one and I did some minor repairs on it. She really loved it (for its performance and the "yuppie" way it made her look). She divorced out of my family so I don't know how well it lasted (longer than the marriage, anyway).

43 posted on 10/13/2010 5:28:36 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Now, that’s a good answer!


44 posted on 10/13/2010 6:04:04 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Jolla

My thoughts and experience exactly....1978 Turbo, bought new. 5 tachometer /clocks and $75 for plug wires...for a four cylinder etc etc


45 posted on 10/13/2010 8:24:14 PM PDT by Enten (How's that hopey changey thing working out for you?)
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To: WesternCulture

“I guess I’m pretty much of a Swede. I abide the law and although I like America, I don’t think we should employ their gun laws.”

Then you can call the Netherlands to help defend you!

(: >)

(love your “home guard” rules but the rest if BS.


46 posted on 10/14/2010 11:52:41 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Yehuda

“but the rest IS BS.”

/sigh...


47 posted on 10/14/2010 11:56:49 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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