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Who Should I Vote For?
Ancient Paths ^ | 10/14/10 | Larry Pruett

Posted on 10/14/2010 9:38:11 AM PDT by nmh

Election Day is almost here!

Now I would never presume to tell you for whom to vote. However, I would like to let some Founding Fathers remind you of some very good principles to follow when voting.

Have you decided yet for whom to vote? If so, what criteria did you use to make your decision? We all certainly look at the positions of the candidates on the issues that are most important to us and try to find the one that matches our positions the best. But, have you considered the most important quality? Here’s what Noah Webster said about character.

"When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, ‘just men who will rule in the fear of God.’”

John Jay, one of the authors of the Federalist Papers and the First Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, gave one clear rule when choosing who to vote for:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

Founding Father John Witherspoon said,

"The people in general ought to have regard to the moral character of those whom they invest with authority either in the legislative, executive, or judicial branches.”

I know that this seems foreign to most of us today – just men, Christians, moral character. Today we are bombarded with messages from the media that character isn’t important, and that the public life and the private life of the candidates should be kept separate. However, this is a very recent phenomenon. Founding Father Samuel Adams, in 1775, said,

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"Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust be men of unexceptionable characters. The public cannot be too curious concerning the character of public men.”

By choosing to run for public office, the candidates thereby open their private life to the public for scrutiny. The issue of character is simply too important to be overlooked. Why is this so important? Mr. Noah Webster answers:

"The preservation of government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty (voting); if the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.”

Hmmmmm. Does that sound familiar? We, as citizens of the United States, have failed in our duty to elect ‘just men’ to rule. The consequences are obvious.

In God’s grace though, we still have an opportunity to turn this country back around. We all must do our part, and voting for candidates of character is a good place to start. You might ask: How can we be expected to know this much about the candidates? Well, it’s going to take some work. John Adams, the second president of the United States, gives us the answer:

"It becomes necessary to every subject then, to be in some degree a statesman: and to examine and judge for himself of the tendencies of political principles and measures.”

So, for whom should you vote? The candidate that best demonstrates the character of being a just Christian person of good moral character. How do we know which candidate best fits that description? The answer is to do your homework. Analyze the character of the candidates. Do they follow through with their promises? Are they consistent in their words and deeds? Do they live a godly lifestyle? Do their positions on issues line up with Scripture? Could you call the candidate a ‘just man’ or ‘just woman’ who fears God, a ‘Christian’, and a person of ‘moral character’? If so, you’ve got your decision made. If not, keep looking.

Let me encourage you to take some time to analyze the candidates and then vote for the one who best meets these criteria. Become a statesman. Examine the candidates and judge for yourself. I can’t tell you the exact candidate to vote for, but the criteria mentioned here will eliminate most of them, unfortunately. Then, pray for the wisdom to vote for the person that best exemplifies a godly character. Do that, and you will be faithfully discharging your duty to your country.

And remember that God is in control, even when it doesn’t seem much like it.

And, remember to stay on the narrow path,

Larry Pruett

Bet YOU didn't lean THAT in your PUBLIC SCHOOL or perhaps PRIVATE SCHOOL History class. Did YOU?

1 posted on 10/14/2010 9:38:17 AM PDT by nmh
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2 posted on 10/14/2010 9:39:43 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

We’re 19 days away from the election - anyone who doesn’t know who they are voting for at this late date...doesn’t need to bother voting.


3 posted on 10/14/2010 9:40:22 AM PDT by FrankR (You are only obligated to obama to the extent you accept his handouts.)
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To: FrankR

Well, we don’t need more RINO’s.

If we don’t elect people of decent character, we are no better off than before. We simply can’t afford Obama lites or more McPain’s. They only slow down our destruction. We need to turn around and fly RIGHT, a HARD RIGHT TURN.


4 posted on 10/14/2010 9:43:32 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: FrankR

To be fair, there are a couple of races in which I don’t know whether to vote for the RINO, who’s going to win anyway (Texas Dist. 12) or just not vote in this race. I don’t want my vote endorsing socialism with an “R” face on it.


5 posted on 10/14/2010 9:46:17 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: FrankR

I vote in California. Can anybody recommend a good write in candidate for Lieutenant Governor? The Repbublican on the ballot is Abel Maldonado. Maldonado is a turncouat Vichy Republican traitor who was the one Rebublican defector the Democrats needed to pass the budget last year.
Screw him.


6 posted on 10/14/2010 9:58:23 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: forgotten man
Can anybody recommend a good write in candidate for Lieutenant Governor?

How about Chuck DeVore? He won't get anywhere, but it's an opportunity to protest.

7 posted on 10/14/2010 10:07:45 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: nmh

Below is from George Washington’s Farewell Address!

Warns against the party system.
“It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....
agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....
against another....
it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...
thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”

Stresses the importance of religion and morality.
“Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths,
which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?”

On stable public credit.
“...cherish public credit.
One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible...
avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt....
it is essential that you...bear in mind, that towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue,
that to have Revenue there must be taxes;
that no taxes can be devised, which are not...inconvenient and unpleasant...”

Warns against permanent foreign alliances.
“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...”


8 posted on 10/14/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: nmh
I think someone's religion is a poor way to choose a candidate.

If I had a choice between a religious George Bush-style "conservative" versus an agnostic conservative Constitutionalist, I'd easily vote for the latter.

The Constitution has a prohibition on religious tests for public office, regardless of what Webster and Jay said.

9 posted on 10/14/2010 10:19:31 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: nmh

Long ago (I was 22 and my grandmother was 80-something. It was 1972 and my first general election.) I took my grandmother to her polling place to vote. My immigrant grandmother became a U.S. citizen in the 1920s and never missed an election because she always either walked to the polling place or had someone take her there. It was my turn to take her there because I was home on leave from the Air Force and she wanted to show me off to some of her friends.

I walked alongside her—she refused to drive to the polls because it was only seven blocks!—as she told me how bad our Congressman was. She thought this guy was in league with the devil. My mother suspected the guy was the devil. She also told me how wonderful the challenger was—honest, decent, a good family man, a hard worker, etc. I already knew all that. She told me I ought to try to be more like the challenger. Ouch!

When we go to the polls she asked me to help her mark her ballot because “my eyes aren’t what they used to be.” When we got into the booth I was shocked because she marked the ballot for the incumbent. I asked her if she wanted me to get her a new ballot. She sighed and said no, she would explain later.

On the way home she sighed again and said, “Big Jim (the incumbent’s name—the guy was huge, about 6’8” and maybe 380 pounds of blubber) used to be like the guy running against him. But after so many years on Congress he has become corrupt, corrupt, CORRUPT! (I had to dodge the closed umbrella she was using to punctuate her statement.)

“So, grandma, why did you vote for Big Jim?” She looked as if she was about to cry and said, “Because I don’t want to be party to corrupting another honest man!”

I understood what my grandmother was saying, but I resolved to change Congressmen just as I had changed some of my younger siblings diapers—and for the same reason. I went and voted for the challenger.

By the way, when Big Jim died, the undertaker could not find a coffin big enough for his corpse. Even a piano case was too small. He wasn’t sure what he would do since he didn’t want to commission a custom coffin and have to put the body into cold storage. One of the town drunks—we have a few of them—said, “You oughta give the (expletives challenging is parentage on both side of his family deleted) an enema. Yud be able to bury the (other expletives some of which I did not fully understand since some of them were in Gaelic) in a (expletive deleted) matchbox.” He then relit his cigarillo with a friction match and tossed the empty box to the undertaker.


10 posted on 10/14/2010 10:20:54 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: GunRunner

The Constitution prohibits the GOVERNMENT from imposing religious tests. The people can do what they want.


11 posted on 10/14/2010 10:26:50 AM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: GunRunner

“I think someone’s religion is a poor way to choose a candidate.
If I had a choice between a religious George Bush-style “conservative” versus an agnostic conservative Constitutionalist, I’d easily vote for the latter.”

You never owuld have fit in with who founded this country. I amgrateful that you weren’t around then. You eagerly suck ou the benefits of a Judoe Christian heritage and now poohoo it. You truly don’t realize what you had and what made America special.

“The Constitution has a prohibition on religious tests for public office, regardless of what Webster and Jay said. “

The Constitution says NOTHING about a state religion.

Could you list those “religious tests” in the Constitution?

Have you ever READ the Constitution?

Do you know ANYTHING about the founding fathers?

Anything?


12 posted on 10/14/2010 10:28:38 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran; GunRunner

GunRunner,

Have you ever heard of George Washington?

Do you know the role in played as one of our founding fathers?

HuuntsvilleTxVeteran, I think you for posting this. Perhaps GynRunner will appreaciate our hertitage more when he has read some of its founding principles. Hopefully GunRunner will stop being repulsed at our heritage.

Below is from George Washington’s Farewell Address!

Warns against the party system.
“It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....
agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....
against another....
it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...
thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”

Stresses the importance of religion and morality.
“Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths,
which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?”

On stable public credit.
“...cherish public credit.
One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible...
avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt....
it is essential that you...bear in mind, that towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue,
that to have Revenue there must be taxes;
that no taxes can be devised, which are not...inconvenient and unpleasant...”

Warns against permanent foreign alliances.
“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...”


Thank you again HuntsvilleTxVeteran.

With the help of GunRunner and others we are violating ALL George Washington’s concerns with an arrogance I have not seen before.


13 posted on 10/14/2010 10:32:51 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh; HuntsvilleTxVeteran
The Constitution says NOTHING about a state religion.

Could you list those “religious tests” in the Constitution?

I made not mention of a "state religion" in my post, and I specifically said that the "Constitution has a prohibition on religious tests for public office".

Please read more carefully next time.

I'll quote from Article 6:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

You are free to have your own religious test for who to vote for, but the Founders wrote in a specific prohibition of such a test if codified into law.

14 posted on 10/14/2010 10:45:09 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
At the same time, you MOCK Christian people who stood firm on not having a national religion. It is no coincidence that our country was blessed BECAUSE people wanted Christians in positrons of power.

Now we have trash like Obama. Look at his CHARACTER. Who knows - is he a Moslem or is he an atheist? Either way his “religious” principles and beliefs are totally contrary to our culture and country. Obama is destroying our country.

You may say, well as "Christian" could destroy us too. No, if people are paying attention to WHAT the person DOES, his/her actions instead of believing anything said, we'd be in a different position. What is in a person's HEART comes out through their BEHAVIOR. There is nothing "Christian" about Obama and I don't care how many times he calls himself that.

15 posted on 10/14/2010 10:55:59 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Oblahblah would not be caught dead giving this advice and meaning it. Shame on him.


16 posted on 10/14/2010 10:56:48 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: nmh
I'm not mocking anybody. I said that voting for a person based mainly on their religion is a poor standard.

I'm sure that there were founders who wanted only Christians to hold office, but there were more that did not support this view. That's why there is a prohibition on any religious test for any public office.

17 posted on 10/14/2010 11:02:24 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
Today we are doing the OPPOSITE Of that. Our history books or social study books LEAVE OUT ALL OUR CHRISTIAN HERITAGE. A cross in the desert that has been there for 40 50 years is being challenged to still stand. "In God We Trust" on our currency is constantly being challenged. This and MORE was appropriate under our Constitution. Now it is not.

What changed? Isn't is people who REJECT Christian belief? Anything but Christianity is permissible. Look at Obama again. Can you imagine anyone but Obama using RELIGION as a litmus test in recruiting people?

Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans

Denver Post Wire Report

Posted: 03/27/2009 12:30:00 AM MDT

Updated: 03/27/2009 12:58:19 AM MDT

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_12006596

More here:

CHANGING OF THE GUARD

Obama seeks Muslims for White House posts

45 Ivy League grads, Fortune 500 execs,government


officials submitted for look

Posted: March 28, 2009 11:55 pm Eastern

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93251

Most recently, THIS caught my attention:

Shariah-Compliant Finance Advisor Picked by Obama as White House Fellow

by Zombie

Pajamas Media

June 25, 2010

On Tuesday, President Obama announced the appointment of this year’s “White House Fellows,” a prestigious program in which outstanding Americans are chosen to work in the White House and receive “first hand, high-level experience with the workings of the Federal government.” According to a White House Press release, one of this year’s Fellows is a young lawyer named Samar Ali:

Samar Ali is an Associate with the firm Hogan Lovells US LLP. She is responsible for counseling clients on mergers & acquisitions, cross-border transactions, Shari’a compliant transactions, project finance, and international business matters.

Left out of the press release is that she also previously worked as an intern and received training at the Islamic International Arab Bank; according to her staff bio at the Hogan Lovells law firm,

Samar’s experience includes advising a Middle Eastern university in the potential establishment of a Foreign Aid Conventional and Shari’ah Compliant Student Loan Program. … Before joining Hogan & Hartson, Samar worked as a summer associate for the firm and as a legal intern for the Islamic International Arab Bank.

Read the complete original version of this item...

http://www.islamist-watch.org/4300/shariah-compliant-finance-advisor-picked-by-obama

Do you see a PROBLEM with that?

Do you see where America is heading in the opposite direction of our founders and at a break neck hypocritical speed?

Did you have a chance to read through George Washington's Farewell Address?

Warns against the party system. “It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration.... agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one.... against another....

it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption... thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”

(Obamas campaign was FINANCED by FOREIGN MONEY. Obama rasied record money in his Presidential run. There is no way his tin cup base gave him that money.) Stresses the importance of religion and morality. “

Yes, religion is important. Some religions like Islam are postively EVIL.

Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?”

On stable public credit. “...cherish public credit.

One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible... avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt....

13 TRILLION would not make our founders happy.

it is essential that you...bear in mind, that towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue, that to have Revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised, which are not...inconvenient and unpleasant...”

Warns against permanent foreign alliances. “It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...”

I will not list how Obama and others repeatedly VIOLATE these well though out warnings. You've been on FR long enough to do that yourself.

18 posted on 10/14/2010 11:18:00 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GunRunner

Perhaps you overlooked the goal of the founders. It was NOT to have a national or state religion. We are to have freedom of religion, however our government was to KEEP Judoe Christian PRINCIPLES as the underpunnings of our government and laws. It is ONLY because of that America thrived and was blessed. As we threw the Judeo Christian God out, we’ve had more and more challenges. Electing trash, like Obama is a red flag. Our nation is reahing a turning point. Which direction will we go?


19 posted on 10/14/2010 11:22:00 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: forgotten man

The Repbublican on the ballot is Abel Maldonado. Maldonado is a turncouat Vichy Republican traitor who was the one Rebublican defector the Democrats needed to pass the budget last year.
Screw him.””””

Does not matter: Steinberg has already announced that he intends to go right back into session & get all the line item vetoes that Arnold crossed out of the budget put back in.

IIRC, that was about $962 million. That would put the budget out of balance right out of the gate——AGAIN.

I don’t agree with Maldanado.

Steinberg & the Demorats in Calif are liars & cheats.

They twist everything to keep up all their entitlement programs.

When that state gets closed down, I certainly hope there is a bench warrant for each & every one of them & that they cannot escape to another state.


20 posted on 10/14/2010 12:36:52 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: nmh
Well said, I couldn't agree more. The point I was trying to make is, most folks should know if their candidate is a RINO by now.

The voting process is not a Multiple Choice Exam, and the old rule of thumb "the longest answer is the right one" doesn't apply; a well-prepared voter should take no longer to cast a vote than it takes to check the boxes or click the screen.

I see people at the polls standing in the booths, scratching their heads, and taking 20 minutes to vote...where the hell have they been the past 18-months? You would think the first time they have seen the names was in the booth.

Voting is not rocket science. If you know of a "write-in" who would be better, then write it in...otherwise pick one of the choices given...preferably with an (R) next to it...any other party is a vote for the democrats as it dilutes the vote...you know, like Perot....
21 posted on 10/14/2010 12:54:50 PM PDT by FrankR (You are only obligated to obama to the extent you accept his handouts.)
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To: nmh
Our government is supposed to keep the Constitution as the underpinnings of our government and laws. Nowhere in the Constitution will you find the words Jesus, Christ, or God.

In spite of that fact however, over 90% of the members of Congress are Christian or Jewish, and there's only one atheist. Yet we're still in a mess. Do you still think someone's religion is the most important fact to take into account when voting?

I sure as hell don't. It tells you next to nothing about how that person will vote.

22 posted on 10/14/2010 12:57:28 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: nmh
... moral character ...

With the departure of Zell Miller, I can't think of anyone who packs a "D" who would be bothered with "moral character."

23 posted on 10/14/2010 1:15:34 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston
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To: nmh

We are headed so far left right now it is going to take TWO hard right turns to get even close to moving in the right direction. The first MUST happen in 19 days, then the second in NOV. 2012. If it doesn’t happen this year, 2012 will be too late.


24 posted on 10/14/2010 1:27:19 PM PDT by notatard?
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To: RobinOfKingston

It’s really too bad even Zell can’t move away from the label of aa Demoncrat.


25 posted on 10/14/2010 2:54:34 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GunRunner

“I’m sure that there were founders who wanted only Christians to hold office, but there were more that did not support this view. That’s why there is a prohibition on any religious test for any public office.”

Can you name ANY founder that supported a NonChristian?

I can’t think of one. Can YOU?

BYW, what do you have against Christianity?

Your hostility towards it is showing.

You don’t haveto be one to appreciate the country YOU inherited from THEM.


26 posted on 10/14/2010 2:57:06 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GunRunner

“I’m sure that there were founders who wanted only Christians to hold office, but there were more that did not support this view. That’s why there is a prohibition on any religious test for any public office.”

Can you name ANY founder that supported a NonChristian?

I can’t think of one. Can YOU?

BTW, what do you have against Christianity?

Your hostility towards it is showing.

You don’t haveto be one to appreciate the country YOU inherited from THEM.


27 posted on 10/14/2010 2:57:24 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GunRunner
“I'm sure that there were founders who wanted only Christians to hold office, but there were more that did not support this view. That's why there is a prohibition on any religious test for any public office.”

Can you name ANY founder that supported a NonChristian?

I can't think of one. Can YOU?

BTW, what do you have against Christianity?

Your hostility towards it is showing.

You don't have to be one to appreciate the country YOU inherited from THEM.

“That's why there is a prohibition on any religious test for any public office.”

NO that is NOT why there is no religious test,national religion or state religion. Do you remember England and the Church of England and the Popes ALL IMPOSING their religion on the people? Do you know who the Separatists and the Puritans are?

The Pope and the Church of England should be self explanatory. We do NOT want a national or state religion. We have religious freedom here because of the terrible things that happened under the “name of religion” in Europe.

The Puritans didn't believe the Church of England was purified enough from Catholicism so they came HERE to practice their Bible based view of it using the Geneva Bible. In painting you will readily see that Bible in D.C. and the Capital.

The Separatists wanted to separate from the Church of England. They didn't agree with the teachings of the state religion and wanted to get back to Bible based teachings. So RELIGION was very important to ALL of them - especially our founding fathers. They simply didn't want to repeat the mistake of requiring a constituent to adhere to beliefs they were NOT in agreement with.

SO again, what found advocated a NON CHRISTIAN for government positions? I can't think of one.

Don't bother offering up Jefferson as a deist. That couldn't be more laughable. Jefferson was part of a Bible Society. Jefferson was quite “religious”. He used his own money to print the Jefferson Bible. The Jefferson Bible was the passages ONLY quoted from Christ. The printed copies were given to missionaries for in turn used it to evangelize the Indians.

I don't know what kind of history you learned in school but if you do NOT know this, you should be angry. You have been CHEATED out of your heritage. You have been lied to about what our founders did, believed and sacrificed for YOU to have it so nice. We owe these folks proper respect.

28 posted on 10/14/2010 3:07:42 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Can you name ANY founder that supported a NonChristian?

I don't understand the question. If you mean name non-Christian Founding Fathers, the two off the top of my head would be Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson.

Ben Franklin thought Christ lived the most perfect life the world has ever known, but was unconvinced of his divinity.

The FF came from all sorts of different religious backgrounds, but the main fact that I'm pointing out is that they gave us a secular Constitution.

29 posted on 10/14/2010 3:14:20 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: nmh
You obviously don't know anything about Jefferson or The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.

You realize the Jefferson bible has all of the supernatural elements removed correct? You also know that he likened the virgin birth to Roman parthenogenesis myths, right?

30 posted on 10/14/2010 3:21:57 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
“You obviously don't know anything about Jefferson or The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.”

I know allot about Jefferson and Christ.

“You realize the Jefferson bible has all of the supernatural elements removed correct? You also know that he likened the virgin birth to Roman parthenogenesis myths, right?”

I am pointing out that what you say is WRONG.

Supernatural events are IN the Jeffersonian Bible. What Jefferson did was simple highlight what Christ said and did. I'm sure you know about the “red lettering” in some Bible that highlight what Christ said. THIS is what Jefferson had PRINTED for missionaries to give to the Indians to evangelize them.

“You also know that he likened the virgin birth to Roman parthenogenesis myths, right?”

That is also a FALSE statement. Jefferson never said anything like that. You have been fooled into believing rewritten history that is anti-Christian. Here's another one for you. Liberals LOVE to be critical of Jefferson OWNING SLAVES. Yes, he did own them and treated them well. He even educated them - which was not necessary. He didn't have "affairs" with them either.

Most importantly, note, that Jefferson owned slaves because at the time it was ILLEGAL TO FREE THEM. Jefferson took the law to heart even though he didn't agree with it. He made up for it by treating them all well. He took good care of them till they could be legally free.

It's not necessarily your fault that you bought into these lies. This is what is propagated by the LEFT. The left has a huge influence on what it taught.

I would highly recommend this website:

http://openlibrary.org/

I would highly recommend you read ORIGINAL SOURCE books.

Read their autobiography. See for yourself what they did and said by them directly or by other historians from their time - prior to the 20th century.

You will be amazed and angry at what YOU were taught in school. Most of it is down right LIES and truth twisting.

If you don't believe me, pick up a book at your local library geared to kids and just skin it on FDR. He will be presented like a god. He will get RAVE reviews.

I challenge you to count the NUMBER of books on him versus someone like GWB or Clinton or Obama. Don't you see it? The LEFT HATES decent people alive or dead in history that were conservative. Our kids, if parents aren't careful will have them believing these liberal lies and distortions. This is why we make it a point to see out ORIGINAL SOURCE books.

31 posted on 10/14/2010 5:41:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GunRunner
It's really kind of amusing ... ours go to private school and I do supplement them with books I deem appropriate. Anyway, at the school they were studying the Reformation. Martin Luther was her chosen topic for a book report. So we went to the local library.

We found ONE book on him that was VAGUE that would be appropriate for her age. ONE BOOK. The rest was ALL Martin Luther King Jr. or Martin Luther the black civil rights leader. There were pages and pages of books on these two and ONE BOOK on Martin Luther and the Reformation - ONE BOOK!

Most libraries are terribly SKEWED. It is clear that the LEFT truly wants kids to see things THEIR WAY. The same is true of history. I find it personally offensive how they slander and mischaracterize men and women that stood up for us to form the best country on earth. They deliberately LIE about these people. Many of the founding fathers dies penniless. They gave our country their all.

32 posted on 10/14/2010 5:46:11 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth is the title of the 'Jefferson Bible'. For someone who claims to know so much, I'd assume you'd at least be aware of that.

Second, as for my assertion that Jefferson likened the Virgin Birth to Roman myths, you said "That is also a FALSE statement."

Well, here's the quote:

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

April 11th, 1823 Letter to John Adams

So you're 0 for 2.

As for the lack of miracles and the supernatural in the Jefferson Bible, he described his overall view in understanding the life of Jesus without the veils of mysticism, the supernatural, and superstition in a letter to John Adams:

I should proceed to a view of the life, character, and doctrines of Jesus, who sensible of incorrectness of their ideas of the Deity, and of morality, endeavored to bring them to the principles of a pure deism, and juster notions of the attributes of God, to reform their moral doctrines to the standard of reason, justice and philanthropy, and to inculcate the belief of a future state. This view would purposely omit the question of his divinity, and even his inspiration. To do him justice, it would be necessary to remark the disadvantages his doctrines had to encounter, not having been committed to writing by himself, but by the most unlettered of men, by memory, long after they had heard them from him; when much was forgotten, much misunderstood, and presented in every paradoxical shape. Yet such are the fragments remaining as to show a master workman, and that his system of morality was the most benevolent and sublime probably that has been ever taught, and consequently more perfect than those of any of the ancient philosophers. His character and doctrines have received still greater injury from those who pretend to be his special disciples, and who have disfigured and sophisticated his actions and precepts, from views of personal interest, so as to induce the unthinking part of mankind to throw off the whole system in disgust, and to pass sentence as an impostor on the most innocent, the most benevolent, the most eloquent and sublime character that ever has been exhibited to man.

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/jefferson_m_03.html

You'll find nothing of the Virgin Birth or the Resurrection in the Jefferson Bible, nor any reference to any miracles. If I'm wrong, then you're free to product evidence to the contrary.

33 posted on 10/14/2010 6:51:33 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
over 90% of the members of Congress are Christian or Jewish, and there's only one atheist. Yet we're still in a mess.

There's a mighty big difference between claiming to be Christian or Jewish and actually walking in the faith. Let's not confuse the two.
34 posted on 10/20/2010 9:38:50 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

Everyone has a different idea of “walking the faith”. It’s completely subjective.


35 posted on 10/20/2010 9:45:33 AM PDT by GunRunner
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