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Government would clear Manistee National Forest land to help butterfly survive (3000 acres!)
WZZM ^ | 10/15/10

Posted on 10/15/2010 6:03:42 AM PDT by earlJam

Government would clear Manistee National Forest land to help butterfly survive

WZZM 13 ONLINE

OTTO TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WZZM) -- The U.S. Forest Service is seeking public input on a proposal to clear a portion of the Manistee National Forest to give a butterfly a greater chance of survival.

The plan would also call for closing motorized access to portions of the forest.

Leaders in Otto Township in Oceana County were to hold a community meeting Thursday night to discuss the proposal with neighbors.

"Otto Township alone is made up of over 50% Manistee National Forest and state land," says township supervisor Rhonda Jibson.

The U.S. Forest Service wants to improve habitat for the endangered Karner Blue butterfly.

"This is an area where we have documented occurrence of the Karner Blue butterfly," says Chris Frederick, an environmental planner for the U.S. Forest Service.

In order to improve the habitat, 2,900 acres of the national forest would be cleared, burned and possibly spot-treated with chemicals to create the grassy areas the butterfly needs to survive.

"It would improve the habitat where we know where they are at and to provide corridors for them to expand their range," says Frederick.

But Jibson says the clearing of the forest would ruin one of her township's biggest assets.

"Hunters, fisherman, horseback riders, moto-cross, all terrain vehicles -- all kicked out, so to speak," she says.

Long-time users of the national forest not only disagree with the habitat restoration plan, they oppose the closing of forest service roads that would go along with the plan. Myrle Phillips says he needs the roads to get to his favorite hunting and fishing spots.

"I have two bad knees, and I cannot walk any distance without them swelling up," says Phillips. "If I have to walk to the river, I'm not going to be able to go fishing."

Frederick says motorized access to much of the land will be available on country roads, but the patchwork of authorized and illegal two-tracks would be closed.

"There are still going to be county roads in that area," Frederick says. "This would just close forest-system roads."

The U.S. Forest Service is seeking public comment on the proposal through October 25. Reported by Jon Mills in Oceana County


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: destroyforest; federalgovernment; governmentcontrol; manistee; mi; nationalforest; usforestservice

1 posted on 10/15/2010 6:03:47 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

...another developer in the pockets of government, have the government clear the land (at tax payers expense) and then sell it off making huge profits....(isn’t that the way it goes Reid?)


2 posted on 10/15/2010 6:07:08 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: earlJam
In order to improve the habitat, 2,900 acres of the national forest would be cleared, burned and possibly spot-treated with chemicals to create the grassy areas the butterfly needs to survive.

Oh, what a horrible dilemma for the tree and butterfly huggers! CHEMICALS, even!

3 posted on 10/15/2010 6:07:46 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Doogle

This land will not be sold off. It will only be cleared and destroyed.


4 posted on 10/15/2010 6:08:46 AM PDT by earlJam
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The Democrat Party has found a way to legalize organized crime. Remember in November!


5 posted on 10/15/2010 6:09:53 AM PDT by Kazooskibum
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To: earlJam
The plan would also call for closing motorized access to portions of the forest.

I go to the state and national forests for the freedom. Taking that freedom away will only hurt those forests.
6 posted on 10/15/2010 6:11:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: earlJam

The deer will like it too - causing more car/deer accidents and increased possibly of human death.


7 posted on 10/15/2010 6:13:27 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: earlJam

So they want to kill off the habitat for all other creatures of nature for a butterfly. Has to be hidden agenda.


8 posted on 10/15/2010 6:13:28 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: earlJam

This is just more arsehole bureaucrats trying to justify their existence on the gubbermint payroll. Whoever proposed this should be fired....So he can see what he is qualified for in the dreaded private sector

Half the EPA could be fired and we will get along just fine


9 posted on 10/15/2010 6:13:54 AM PDT by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confuscius.)
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To: cripplecreek

I ride horses in Manistee National Forest.

And these “roads” hurt no one. If anything they make it simpler for the wildlife to move around.

In thicker parts of the forest, the deer prefer the roads to the dense brush.


10 posted on 10/15/2010 6:14:02 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

The U.S. Forest Service is proposing to cut or burn more than five square miles of trees in southern Oceana County to create a habitat for the endangered Karner blue butterfly.

SUBMITTING COMMENTS Comments postmarked by Oct. 25 should be submitted to: • Christopher Frederick at Baldwin-White Cloud Ranger District, 650 N. Michigan Ave., Baldwin, Mich. 49304. • Telephone: 231-745-4631, ext. 3138. • Fax: 231-745-2345. • E-mail: comments-eastern-huron-manistee-baldwin-white-cloud@fs.fed.us

11 posted on 10/15/2010 6:14:23 AM PDT by EBH (We have lost our heritage of "making money.")
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To: earlJam

2900 acres of carbon dioxide eaters (also known as “trees”) will be destroyed. Oh, the Global Warming!


12 posted on 10/15/2010 6:14:44 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (King: "I have a dream"...Sharpton: "I want a check")
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To: earlJam

I don’t know why they have public comment periods because even if 99.9% of the public are against it the government will do it anyway and if they don’t some environazi group will sue them and a fed judge will give them what they want. Twenty years from now they will find out that the butterflies actually preferred some plant that grows between trees but only after the butterflies are gone.

The crazy thing is that the butterflies are there, duh, they obviously like the forest as it is.


13 posted on 10/15/2010 6:18:05 AM PDT by tiki
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To: EBH

And in other Manistee news...

October 3, 2010
Huron-Manistee National Forest plan violated law
Officials favored snowmobilers, hunters in plan

http://record-eagle.com/statenews/x1760133687/Huron-Manistee-National-Forest-plan-violated-law

Kurt Meister argued that officials favored hunters and snowmobilers over hikers, birders and people who enjoy the quiet of the outdoors. He said the Forest Service disregarded certain procedures when it wrote the plan.


14 posted on 10/15/2010 6:21:43 AM PDT by EBH (We have lost our heritage of "making money.")
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To: earlJam

I don’t know why they have public comment periods because even if 99.9% of the public are against it the government will do it anyway and if they don’t some environazi group will sue them and a fed judge will give them what they want. Twenty years from now they will find out that the butterflies actually preferred some plant that grows between trees but only after the butterflies are gone.

The crazy thing is that the butterflies are there, duh, they obviously like the forest as it is.


15 posted on 10/15/2010 6:22:51 AM PDT by tiki
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To: earlJam

This is a beautiful forest by lake MI. The story needs national attention to show how out of touch the government is getting and get it stopped. A comment at the link indicates they have already started part of this.


16 posted on 10/15/2010 6:24:30 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: earlJam

The forest should be managed for multiple use as it has been (or at least should have been) for the past many decades. It’s almost impossible to do that any more in our national forest here because the stupid “environmentalists” have blocked every sale they possibly can.


17 posted on 10/15/2010 6:26:38 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: earlJam

Who are we to question the wisdom of the Earth Goddess Gaia? If she chooses to let her forests threaten one of her humble creatures should we not defer to her? We are not worthy... /s


18 posted on 10/15/2010 6:27:17 AM PDT by BWDog
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To: earlJam; grellis; cripplecreek

They need a cooperative habitat plan like Wisconsin has. Karner’s have flourished under it to the point that Wisconsin is moving toward requesting delisting.

Matbe CMS can get involved and spearhead an effort.


19 posted on 10/15/2010 6:31:16 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: earlJam

Why not just plant Lupine. It is a natural attractor for this endangered butterfly and grows in Michigan climate. Guess they’d need an education for this idea!


20 posted on 10/15/2010 6:31:37 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: earlJam

I lived in Evart for a while and used to go salmon fishing near Baldwin.

Another eco sucess story was the removal of the little dam at Hershey Mich. The alliance for the great lakes credit themselves with allowing the trout to return. They just don’t mention that the trout were there with or without the dam. (Our great lakes Czar, Cameron Davis heads the alliance for the great lakes)


21 posted on 10/15/2010 6:36:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: poobear

That is the intent. Lupine prefers open, sunny fast draining soil. To have larger patches of Lupine, you have to open the canopy. Larger patches of Lupine mean better reproduction rates of the Karner.

They really need to look to Right-of-way “corrodor” habitat improvement. Under ground pipelines and overhead transmission lines are great open areas to work on. That’s why I say the CMS Energy should get involved.


22 posted on 10/15/2010 6:38:07 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: earlJam

I never understood why a rabid environmentalist leftist, who presumably is dedicated to Darwins view of evolution, would ever object to the extinction of a species who cannot adapt to changes brought about by another species. If this butterfly cannot adapt ... then by modern scientific argument it should become extinct.

I think this really shows that environmentalism isnt really about saving the planet, its about bringing our country under subjection.


23 posted on 10/15/2010 6:43:47 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: tiki

Because these bullies still need the veneer of the cover of law, for now.


24 posted on 10/15/2010 6:57:27 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: earlJam

WHAT!!!??? and destroy all those trees? Insanity for butterfly.


25 posted on 10/15/2010 6:57:42 AM PDT by madison10
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To: earlJam

Just brilliant. They will destroy habitat for how many other species while trying to “save the butterfly”. I didn’t even know butterflies were endangered.

Smells like a money making scam to me.


26 posted on 10/15/2010 6:59:38 AM PDT by justsaynomore (We've got some altering and abolishing to do! - H. Cain)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; poobear

Why are we worried about the extinction of a butterfly?

What happened when the last species went extinct?

We need to drop the ESA for a more reasonable definitions at the genus or family level.


27 posted on 10/15/2010 7:02:54 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: earlJam

This land will not be sold off. It will only be cleared and destroyed.”””

Don’t bet on that. Everything like this is long term!

Harry Reid is an expert at getting land SWAPS—Federal land for ‘private land’. The Private land is appraised waaay higher than it’s actual value & the swap then occurs.

How do you think all those golf courses in S Nevada got built over the past 20 years?????


28 posted on 10/15/2010 7:05:24 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Do they need to strip clear all 2,900 acres? A quick topographical study would indicate certain sands and drainage areas that would support Lupine. Heck, there is probably a study already on the county books.

Guess it really isn’t that big of a parcel, 2 1/4 miles squared. But still.


29 posted on 10/15/2010 7:05:51 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: cripplecreek
These people are so bonkers.

Around here, the radical lefties that run the Sleeping Bear National Lakeshore wanted to make the entire park virtually human free. No hiking, no human activity except in a couple of highly restricted areas while the rangers played at getting rid of any plant or tree that wasn't here before the white man settled.

The same kind of nuttiness now wants to clear cut for a butterfly..............

Go figure.

30 posted on 10/15/2010 7:13:02 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: earlJam

Didn’t they just clear out a herd of turtles for a solar power plant with biologists running amok in an attempt to catch those speedy reptilians?

Why can’t they get those same biologists together to catch all those endangered butterflies?


31 posted on 10/15/2010 7:20:13 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: earlJam

But what about the rare “six feet east of the pine tree next to the big rock” microbe that exists there, and nowhere else in the universe? I’m sure that if we got enough biologists to run enough DNA tests we could find at least a couple of thousand life forms that exist nowhere else, which will be forever destroyed by the effort to save the butterfly.

Oh, the Hugh Manistee!


32 posted on 10/15/2010 7:20:57 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: earlJam
Just to show you what the people of Otto Township are up against with these environazis out to trash 3,000 acres of land, and what it would do to the town.


Otto Township About the only way you can get to most places in this forest is over logging roads. That US Forest guy is smoking dope when he says that County Roads can still be used to get to parts of the forest.

I've always thought that a disabled person would have a VERY GOOD chance of suing a government plan like this under the Americans with Disabilities Act. The Forest Service loves to just shut access to logging roads. Maybe the ADA is the way to go to force them to stop.

33 posted on 10/15/2010 7:48:39 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Party is spending your great-grandkids inheritance)
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To: bayouranger
I live near the area....

The forest service has run roughshod the last few years closing everything in sight.

Part of the Huron/Manistee national forest was proclaimed “wilderness” by Clinton on the way out the door... it didn't meet the legal requirements to be so designated. So there was push back on that which caused that to be overturned. So what did the forest service do? They decided to designate some of those areas as “non-motorized usage” areas. There was a public hearing on it - 95% of the people wanted it left open - but they closed it anyways.

Why is there so much state/federal land in Michigan? 3 million acres state forest and 3 million acres federal forest? Because after it was originally logged much of that land reverted to the government for taxes because it wasn't good enough for farming.

The land was laced with logging roads and logging railbeds (the Shaw locomotive was invented here... can handle tight turns, wooded rails, steep grades and heavy loads. Made year round logging possible).

The forest service has been busily closing those access ways for 30 years... originally based on individual foresters green agenda, later based upon ‘road density guidelines’ developed on national forests out west.

This spring two ‘law enforcement’ agents of the forest service came though and ordered more closures... on a busy tourist weekend (mushrooming)... and actually bulldozed roads closed with people up in the woods being blocked in.

I my opinion the forest service (I've deliberately NOT capitalized their name) are one of those governmental agencies that needs to be reined in... as they seem to be out of control.

Governmental land by definition is “PUBLIC” land - so allow the public to use it as long as they don't damage it long term. A single hard rain causes more erosion damage than all the ORV ever could. And don't even get me started on the damage done by loggers - but that's OK because they only do it every 15-20 years! Logging needs to be done, fact is it needs to be logged more often, but it should also be cleaned up afterward. And all those closed access roads? They open them up again for the loggers to use, then close them right back down.....

34 posted on 10/15/2010 7:52:30 AM PDT by NorthernTraveler
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To: Lakeshark

When I was at Whitefish point a few years back they had the place all roped off with warnings and threats about disturbiing the piping plovers.

During the same trip I picked up a pamphlet at Pictured Rocks that was about “The future of our national parks”. The greenie groups want to eliminate all the private traffic from the parks and everyone can take shuttles. I told a park ranger that it would be a great way of making sure I never came back.


35 posted on 10/15/2010 7:54:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: NorthernTraveler

I love our national and state parks, wilderness areas and refuges but we have enough. The state game area near me made the place off limits for horseback riding a few years ago.


36 posted on 10/15/2010 8:00:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
The south tip of North Manitou Island has one of those piping plover sanctuaries. They let you go on it after July is over. I've yet to see one of those birds in all the years I've been there. I've often wondered if they actually know those plovers are still around at all.

I'm certain a lot of the rangers joined the park system to become green nazis...........

37 posted on 10/15/2010 8:02:39 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: dennisw
This is just more arsehole bureaucrats trying to justify their existence on the gubbermint payroll.

Yep. A few more shovel ready...er....chainsaw ready government jobs.

38 posted on 10/15/2010 8:18:36 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NorthernTraveler

Fascist Service is more like it.

Too big for their britches.


39 posted on 10/15/2010 8:36:04 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: dennisw
Half the EPA could be fired and we will get along just fine
40 posted on 10/15/2010 10:27:39 AM PDT by ResponseAbility (Prepare for battle and never forsake the Lord...unknown)
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To: earlJam

I would rather that land be cleared as a sanctuary for Liberals and Enviro-Nazis. There would be no roads and the perimeter would be secured by barbed wire fences for their protection.


41 posted on 10/15/2010 10:41:09 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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42 posted on 10/15/2010 12:30:45 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: earlJam

I saw that coming down the pike, which is why, when I saw one of those butterflys in my garden this summer I whacked it with a fly swatter......


43 posted on 10/15/2010 12:56:21 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: earlJam

WOW, I can’t wait to share this with my deer hunting, democrat voting UAW “brothers”.


44 posted on 10/15/2010 2:14:57 PM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord grant our troops protection and endurance.)
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To: earlJam

I just read a report in the Saginaw Field and Stream newsletter about a study done on the areas of riverbank that were cleared of soil and plants to alleviate a contaminant - I believe it was dioxin - in the Tittabawassee river area near Midland. The study showed that the areas that were contaminated and NOT cleared show no effects in the wildlife or any organisms that live there. The cleared areas are devoid of animal life and show no signs of recovering yet. In other words, when left alone, nature seems to recover. When “helped” by environmentalists, matters are made far worse.

In Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, they are paying crews to go into the woods and pull out forget-me-nots because they are an invasive species. These flowers grow all over in the woods near Grand Marais and are just beautiful in the spring. They grow in and with trilliums on the forest floor. I wonder how much stuff will be destroyed by these workers tromping all over and disturbing root systems of the trilliums and other plants?

Maybe we should let nature take care of itself and leave the damn trees alone in the Manistee National Forest? Do you think?

thanks for listening.....


45 posted on 10/17/2010 3:23:18 AM PDT by Mrs. P ("Wonder Woman wears Sarah Palin pajamas." - Blood of Tyrants)
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To: Mrs. P
In Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, they are paying crews to go into the woods and pull out forget-me-nots because they are an invasive species. These flowers grow all over in the woods near Grand Marais and are just beautiful in the spring. They grow in and with trilliums on the forest floor. I wonder how much stuff will be destroyed by these workers tromping all over and disturbing root systems of the trilliums and other plants?
  1. Follow the money ----  The commie Obama plan is ---->>>
  2. more Gubbermint jobs for them   (paid for by your taxes)
  3. less wilderness and parks for you and for hunters, snow mobilers, fishermen etc
  4. fund the left via more Gubbermint jobs
  5. defund the right (the citizenry) via taxation
  6. public sector gets larger
  7. private sector shrinks as it is starved of funds via taxation and over regulation

46 posted on 10/17/2010 3:42:35 AM PDT by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confuscius.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

How would you like to be a helpless little butterfly and have someone come along and swat you??? (sarc)...On the other hand however, to treat a butterfly as though it were a common housefly seems like so much overkill.


47 posted on 10/18/2010 3:36:34 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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