Posted on 10/15/2010 10:02:57 AM PDT by mandaladon
There is no such thing as a pro-choice conservative. They are mutually exclusive terms.
Anyone who believes in offing the helpless is no conservative.
The issue of life is an immediate means to determine the viability of anyone’s claims to be a conservative.
They think they earn the conservative label by claiming they prefer balanced checkbooks. B___S___
“There are those on this board who disagree with SOME of Condi’s views (including me), but she loves this country, unlike some (many? most? can I say all?) in the regime.”
All I’m saying is that she supposedly voted for him, cried when he was elected, and now is legitimizing him 18 days before a crucial election. I think Condi needed to make a different choice than that - or push for a post election meeting. That would have been do-able without any disrespect to the Office of the Presidency.
Condi’s been very valuable in the War against Islamic terrorism and I respect her as well, but I do not like this decision.
If Condi is visiting the White House she will be the smartest person in the room. She abhors politics but actually loves America.
First of all, there is NO SUCH THING as "pro-choice"! A person is either pro-life or they are pro-abortion.
Now, there are pro-abortion people who believe in a strong national defense and there are pro-abortion people who pretend to believe in fiscal responsibility (the reality is that the deaths of 52 million Americans is a major reason for the financial mess the country is in); however there is NO SUCH THING as a pro-abortion conservative.
I don’t because the rhino label gets on my nerves and is used to readily to insult people around here when they don’t toe the line.
Why? This isn't a Republican forum, this a CONSERVATIVE forum. Why should people who aren't conservative be given a pass just because they have an "R" after their names?
We are not all of one mind. Reagan knew that. We won’t win with litmus tests imposed on people like Condi.
What has Condi Rice EVER done that would lead people to believe that she was a conservative?
Screw Rice, her collectivist/statism stances, turning a blind eye to the WHOLE of Islam, “tribal pride” in Obama’s black half (Probably voted for the stooge), as well as her vision of a Palestinian State in which terrorist of the world can unite, operate from, and destroy Israel for good. The pro-abortion stance is only the icing on the gray filled cake which this misguided "genius" proudly consumes. A Fabian Strategist/Socialist if I ever saw one.
For being an expert on Russia, Condi sure did get "bamboozled" by them over Iran and North Korea.
They should have played the Darth Vader Inspection music when she walked in... :)
I wouldn’t have accepted the invitation.
All true, but she is also expert in her knowledge and understanding of international politics (aka foreign relations), and specialized in study of the Soviet Union as an academic pre-State Dept. gig. I doubt that she is being consulted vis-a-vis the politics of defending, or not, the sanctity of human life, for which we may be thankful.
No, Condi is being set-up. 0bama is just talking to her. Democrats are behind the scenes waiting to remove 0bama and Biden after the elections.
How are Hillary and Condi together?
Remove Biden, replace with Hillary. Move to have 0bama taken out of office or resign...Hillary becomes President...Condi SOS. Partisanship aside...I like Condi as SOS.
0bama’s administration is falling apart. Lots of departures lately...Biden is going to go soon. Biden will bail-out in November after their utter defeat.
Apparently she voted for Obama:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/rice-congratulates-obama_n_141414.html
Is this her reward?
Great comment and I agree. Having one mind set when we are dealing with so many complex issues will not fix anything, and it has the potential to make things worse, in my opinion.
It'a about core conservative principles. Pro-abortion is the Dem's platform. It is anti-life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, so it is against conservative principles.
Issues whether complex or simple, need courageous people of good character and strong convictions, not people who do not have strong conservative principles.
Misty and teary, IMO.
Here it is. Inspirational. Renewing. Yada yada. Interesting to watch the expression and hear the change of voice when she says Obamas name, and then McCain’s. Judge for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSjuduQGN4
You say Prochoice means proabortion,,I disagree. So we have no place where we can discuss anything and I doubt you want to discuss anything anyway what with your proclamations of certainty about everything and everybody.
I guess that lets you off the hook from defending your position. Pro choice does mean pro abortion. It’s the coward’s way out.
I couldn't agree more and I am a very courageous person of excellent character and I have strong convictions. Other label(s) people choose to attach to me, or not, is irrelevant to me. Have a nice day.
“Goodness gracious Condi, could you have waited 18 more days to do this?”
Heh. This year there are more masks lying on the ground than leaves. The past 20 years of conservative lethargy and decline make more sense now, don’t they?
WHat position are you referring to? My position that some conservatives are pro choice? You are denying reality if you say that isn’t so.
But what you are saying is that they aren’t conservatives in your mind? You define conservatism as do others here.
They can define all they want, but they define in vain because there are people who are conservative who are prochoice and that is reality.
Deny it, redefine it, do what you please, but do try not to bully me into a fruitless argument with you.
Apparently she voted for Obama:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/rice-congratulates-obama_n_141414.html
Is this her reward?
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I don’t think so. Not for that alone, anyway. Colin Powell had much more devastating effect on derailing McCain and securing Obama’s victory than anything Rice has done, and Powell hasn’t gotten anything except a nod or two.
Well, Condi IS selling a book.
Her book emphasizes the racial prejudice towards blacks that she grew up with.
I never thought she would play the race card, but apparently that is what she is doing.
She’s making the rounds of the TV interview shows, including BET.
Consulting with Soetero on a nuclear arms reduction pact with Russia makes her a traitor, in my view.
She and Soetero are both academics so speak the same language.
“WHat position are you referring to? My position that some conservatives are pro choice? You are denying reality if you say that isn’t so.”
It isn’t so.
I am not reading where she voted for Obama?? Did I miss something?
Strong conservative convictions, which include opposition to abortion; heck that’s even in the Republican platform. It has been from the beginning a leftist agenda. Sheesh.
Who’s bullying you? No one has forced you to participate in this forum. You do know what a forum is, don’t you?
Since it appears that there may be some confusion on your part, perhaps this will clear things up:
“To: supremedoctrine; All
FR is a conservative site. We do not appreciate our members fighting against us on our conservative values and issues. If you wish to support homosexual marriage or homosexuals in the military or hate crimes against us for speaking out against government promotion of homosexuality that’s your business, but you’d better do it somewhere else and not on FR. If you value your posting privileges, that is. FR is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-marriage, pro-military, pro-traditional American conservatism and it is a privilege to post here. Those who support the godless liberal/Marxist destruction of our free society and our country are free to exercise their free speech rights elsewhere. I won’t stand in your way.”
93 posted on August 8, 2010 5:20:01 PM EDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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I stated that she “apparently” voted for Obama, which is a logical conclusion after reading her statement and viewing the video. Of course, that is just my humble opinion.
Perhaps even someone with the inexperience and limited intellect of Obama can sense incompetence.
It is unwise to trust political power to people who have wrong the most important of all rights....life. If they will agree that killing the innocent is OK, then they can trade away your life, too. Or they can elevate people who will some day do that.
I will never support any politician who is anything but pro-life.
You luv Free Republic; FR is a conservative forum which means also pro-life, and you are annoyed that this point is being discussed and pointed out.
I’m not labeling you anything. Just saying that being pro-abortion/”pro-choice” is not a conservative principle.
oh come off your high horse and quit acting like you are the lieutenant in charge of driving people away. If you haven’t noticed, I have been here quite a long time.
ANd you never addressed my statement that reality is that conservatives include pro choice people and indeed people with different views from you. THat is reality Dude and your blustering and quoting others doesn’t change it. Nor do you get to define what conservatism is.
I have been here a long time and never been banned so unless you have some kind of special powers quit your hectoring and lecturing and showing your foolishness.
He is such a failure he is seeking her advice. Why doesn’t he call Bush and all past presidents to take the helm?
If Rice is writing a book about her life, why do you consider that it is playing the “race card” to talk about her experience in the deep south growing up. Condi has built a life of exemplary public service and private rectitude and grew up in the jim crow south and lived under it. it is not playing a race card to talk about that.
Conservatives are not pro choice, regardless of your own political beliefs.
By the way, you're right, I have no "special powers" as I'm not Jim Robinson, but please allow me to introduce you.
Here's a hint: he is a conservative.
You seem cranky today.
Anyway, have you watched any of the interviews Condi is doing?
Watch a few and then get back to me.
My dear man, I think you are acting strangely with your denial of reality and your distortion of what I said to you. But be my guest.
I tell you that there are people who define themselves as conservative and pro choice. You say they are not conservative. By your definition, by anyone’s definition. Maybe not your conservative but you cannot deny that people can define their conservatism by other definitions.
You go into a snit, act like a tattle tale and deny your bullying someone by saying, they must agree with your definition or anyone’s definition or they have outstayed their welcome?
That is unbelievable. But carry on. We are done talking.
Not cranky but tired of people calling “using the race card” indiscriminately. Condi Rice never did such a thing and your statements were odd. Is a black person not allowed to mention they grew up in the deep south amidst terrible racial prejudice anymore because of Obama? When telling her life story, should she have left out something so important?
I wonder if he is offering her some position in govt.
Also wonder what she thinks of him now? maybe not too poorly as she is meeting with him
Please keep your pro-choice proclivities to yourself. We don’t want it on FR. We do not debate pro-abortion posters on FR, we zot them.
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Excellent. I find that your endeavors to conduct a civil or meaningful conversation fall woefully short of an accepted standard.
Gee, you went and watched those interviews real fast, huh?
Not only is Condi playing the race card, she is now being a useful idiot.
I really thought she was too smart for both.
Proclivities? I recognize them but don’t espouse them nor seek out banning of others. But whatever.
>>You say Prochoice means proabortion,,I disagree.
Are you only pro-abortion at the moment when you want an abortion?
I’m not name calling, sheesh. You lauded someone else’s comment when she was saying she is for abortion. So I assumed you also held that position. Are you pro-abortion rights or not?
You’re not really making any cogent points or addressing anything I said, btw.
I am merely pointing out that the right to life is part of the Republican platform (so far), a conservative foundational principle, and hated and rejected by leftists and Democrats. Of course some Repubs are for abortion but most are not. But FR is not a Republican site.
If someone is pro-choice that is by definition pro-abortion. Pro-choice means “wanting women to be free to have abortions if they so choose”.
You said you are pro-choice. Now you’re saying you don’t espouse them? Espouse means to hold beliefs.
The comment you are referring to is #23. I read no admission relative to the poster's position on abortion. You and others quite often use labels, call people names, in an attempt to diminish them and their opinions. Name calling is easy, critical thought is not. To completely dismiss Rice as someone who cannot contribute some value to the "conservative" movement because she is pro-choice is, in my opinion, self defeating. Furthermore, when the discussion, or lack thereof, goes no further than the abortion issue, what hope is there for resolving some of the other complex problems facing our society? Now, please feel free to call yourself a conservative and call me anything you choose. I will continue to value and respect other opinions when and only when they are based, at least in part, upon some level of critical thought and analysis. I ceased placing value on name calling after I graduated pre-school.
We crossed paths on a thread a few weeks ago about how the sexual revolution has hurt women and were in agreement.
Read my comments in this thread. I never espoused any views.
But Jim R does not wish this to be discussed if you read his post so I suggest we not discuss further.
You are very correct in your interpretation of my original comment. Others did not read it and chose to go off half cocked.
THere is a dynamic going on, I think it is from the anger about what Obama has done, that is sort of throw the baby out with the bathwater. People seem content to bash others for not being “pure” in their minds.
LIke Condi, and others including Rove. I think it is a very insular kind of thing and is at odds with Reagan’s big tent philosophy that resulted in 8 great years.
But that is my opionion and those louder and more insulting tend to take up alot of air in this forum.
If a person believes that others have the right to commit murder are they pro-choice or pro-murder?
If a person believes that others have the right to commit rape are they pro-choice or pro-rape?
I realize that the "pro-choice" label allows you and others to pretend that you don't have any culpability, but your unwillingness to confront evil has resulted in the murder of 52 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS.
I'm curious, if a tragedy more horrific than 9/11/01 had happened EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR 37 YEARS would you be willing to "discuss anything" with the people who didn't care if the carnage continued or not?
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