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Soldier says he was ordered to delete Fort Hood video (Want proof politics entering military?)
wash times ^ | 10/15/10 | Angela K. Brown and Michael Graczyk

Posted on 10/15/2010 10:15:57 AM PDT by bestintxas

A soldier says he shot cell phone video during last year's Fort Hood deadly rampage but that an officer ordered him to delete the footage.

Under cross examination Friday, Pfc. Lance Aviles has told a military court that he deleted the two videos at the direction of his NCO on the same day as the shooting, Nov. 5.

Friday is the third full day of testimony at the Article 32 hearing to decide if Maj. Nidal Hasan, the 40-year-old American-born Muslim charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder at Fort Hood, should stand trial.

Witnesses have already described how they saw Hasan open fire, shoot rapidly and reload at least one laser-sighted handgun in a medical processing center at the Texas Army post.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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Politics over military discipline will kill us as surely as a gun to our head.
1 posted on 10/15/2010 10:16:04 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Is that sucker still collecting a paycheck?


2 posted on 10/15/2010 10:19:10 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: bestintxas

That Officer should be prosecuted for obstruction of justice and for giving an unlawful order.


3 posted on 10/15/2010 10:20:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: bestintxas

They’re having a hearing to decide if he should stand trial? That’s really necessary?


4 posted on 10/15/2010 10:20:20 AM PDT by wastedyears (Know this, I will return to this land... rebuild where the ruins did stand)
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To: bestintxas

That is called destruction of evidence.


5 posted on 10/15/2010 10:20:31 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: bestintxas

Isn’t destruction of evidence a crime?

I would have transfered the video to my hard drive and then deleted it from the phone and showed the NCO that it was deleted from his phone.


6 posted on 10/15/2010 10:21:09 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: bestintxas

That NCO needs to be charged with destroying evidence in a capital murder trial.


7 posted on 10/15/2010 10:22:23 AM PDT by Datom
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To: bestintxas

Wonder what the “race/religion” was of this “NCO”!


8 posted on 10/15/2010 10:24:29 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: bestintxas
The very fact that this is coming out tells you that the orders came right from the White House, where, IIRC the President was saying we shouldn't come to any conclusions.

I think this is a life saving measure on the soldiers part.

9 posted on 10/15/2010 10:32:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: bestintxas
Of course, the video had value as evidence and should have been preserved. However, the video is not absolutely essential to this case as there are several hundred witnesses to the event.

I prefer to think that, when he gave the order to destroy it, the NCO was considering the impact of the video on the families of the victims and its potential for exploitation as jihadi propaganda. And given the unreliability of law enforcement in keeping sensitive materials out of the press and the complete irresponsibility of the press in these matters - not to mention the social media - “going viral” is exactly what would have happened had the video been preserved.

10 posted on 10/15/2010 10:33:34 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: bestintxas

No - Islam is in the military plus the rest of the govt. The Saudis have sharholdings, investments and joint ventures with ALL 6 TV networks who own all the channels in the USA>

Keep watching Tva nd paying those cable bills. It helps Allah and the Islamification of America.


11 posted on 10/15/2010 10:35:47 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Captain Rhino
"I prefer to think that, when he gave the order to destroy it, the NCO was considering the impact of the video on the families of the victims and its potential for exploitation as jihadi propaganda."

I suspect that would be the most likely motive as well...The troop should have downloaded a copy and turned the phone over to CID.

12 posted on 10/15/2010 10:38:18 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mbarker12474

This is evidence.

It is either evidence that he was illegally using a recording device in a restricted area of a military installation, or it is evidence in a civilian court case, or it is evidence in a military court case.

He should NOT have deleted it, regardless of what some bureaucrat told him to do.


13 posted on 10/15/2010 10:44:05 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: bestintxas

Different angle from me, a former soldier...

WTF was this lame-arse soldier doing VIDEOTAPING a frickin’ massacre? Why wasn’t he pulling friends to safety? Considering options to engage with a makeshift weapon? Organizing a defense plan?

I’m ex-infantry, so the fight vs. flight instinct is VERY strong in me. I could never videotape something like this instead of acting and live with myself.


14 posted on 10/15/2010 10:45:06 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: bestintxas

Note to Angela, Michael, and unnamed editors to learn about the difference between “officer” and NCO.


15 posted on 10/15/2010 10:49:10 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("It's amazing, A man who has such large ears could be so tone deaf" Rush Limbaugh 9/8/10)
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To: bolobaby

Exactly


16 posted on 10/15/2010 10:52:23 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Captain Rhino

“I prefer to think that, when he gave the order to destroy it, the NCO was considering the impact of the video on the families of the victims and its potential for exploitation as jihadi propaganda. “

Think about what you are saying: 14 soldiers murdered and more injured at a military base, and an NCO’s first thought was to families and to exploitation?

The military’s first and foremost job is to defend civilians and to win battles, period.

I can perhaps see the families part, but only to a limited extent. But their primary directive is not toward a soldier’s family. It is toward ensuring those battles are won, and unity in an outfit is of prime importance over “sensitivity” even. Unity cannot be preserved if renegade officers who have the ability to control lives of soldiers are within the system. These must be found out and a video enforces that finding.

Also, if the family sensitivity was paramount, a soldier would never be ordered into battle for fear he would be injured or killed..

As for as the low-ranking NCO coming up to a conclusion to concern himself with jihadist exploitation, that, is certainly illogical.

No, politics at much higher levels was played out here. Once the GOP controls the House, how far up order came from will be revealed.


17 posted on 10/15/2010 10:56:45 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Court martial for the NCO


18 posted on 10/15/2010 11:04:40 AM PDT by Lorianne (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ___ George Orwell)
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To: Captain Rhino

A sargeant has no authority to decide the value or emotional impact of this. Thisshould have been a command decision. They were’nt in a war zone, there was time to make a measured decision about this. I find it deeply troubling.


19 posted on 10/15/2010 11:09:56 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: bestintxas
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Political Correctness:

”A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

By spreading this definition around, perhaps we can employ one of the more effective methods of deflating and defeating the fools who practice and promote it: RIDICULE.

Unless stopped – and soon – PC will DESTROY Western Civilization -- if it hasn’t already.

PASS IT ON!!

THEN PASS THE KOOL AID!!


20 posted on 10/15/2010 11:14:59 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: Captain Rhino

My first thought too, that it would be on you-boob or a jihdi’s playlist with in a week.


21 posted on 10/15/2010 11:18:12 AM PDT by enraged
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To: bolobaby
That was my first thought: Why didn't that room full of combat trained troops dogpile that single shooter -- using chairs, tables, etc. as missiles and shields?

My very first reaction: "This was an abject failure of Army training!"

22 posted on 10/15/2010 11:26:51 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: mbarker12474

WHAT”S HIS NAME???


23 posted on 10/15/2010 11:35:27 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: bestintxas

24 posted on 10/15/2010 11:42:52 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: bestintxas

I don’t think you people are “getting it.”

You see, SOME MINERS WERE RESCUED FROM A HOLE YESTERDAY!!!!

Nothing to see here so just move along!


25 posted on 10/15/2010 1:06:13 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Most of my fellow enlisted back 69-77 were trained to obey
orders from their superiors first—and ask questions later.
What the em should have done— or might have done as rear view
mirror speculation is mental exercise and fun but not much help.


26 posted on 10/15/2010 1:43:36 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: StonyBurk
"Most of my fellow enlisted back 69-77 were trained to obey orders from their superiors first—and ask questions later. What the em should have done— or might have done as rear view mirror speculation is mental exercise and fun but not much help."

Most of my NCOs, when I was commissioned from 91-00 were trained not to destroy evidence of criminal activity or give illegal orders.

27 posted on 10/15/2010 1:50:27 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: bestintxas

You are entitled to your opinion. It isn’t mine.


28 posted on 10/15/2010 2:31:22 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: sgtyork
A sargeant has no authority to decide the value or emotional impact of this.

Absolutely correct. The sergeant didn't have the authority. All he had was his experience in dealing with teenaged and slightly older soldiers and how they use and abuse all the personal communications technology they have access to these days.

Thisshould have been a command decision.

Absolutely agree and said that it should have been preserved as evidence at the beginning of my original post.

They were’nt in a war zone, there was time to make a measured decision about this.

Absolutely agree. I'm always calm and deliberate in the aftermath of having a dozen or more of my comrades (or their family members) murdered in cold blood and having several dozen more seriously wounded. Yep, I'm always calm and deliberate, always thinking things out real thoroughly before doing anything. Yep, that's me.

I find it deeply troubling.

You are entitled to your opinion. Its not mine.

29 posted on 10/15/2010 2:49:53 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Iron Munro
That Officer is a Noncommisioned Officer, a Sergeant. Hopefully, soon to be a slick sleeve private for giving an unlawful order to destroy evidence.
30 posted on 10/15/2010 3:18:50 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Captain Rhino

Of. Course UR.

If it prevailed, more Americans would die,though.


31 posted on 10/15/2010 3:36:44 PM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas
Keep up your fulminations concerning conspiracies at the highest levels.

As for me, after serving 23 years in the Marine Corps as an enlisted Marine and as an officer, I'll keep my own counsel on what was probably an almost spontaneous act done by two low ranking enlisted soldiers while in a highly charged emotional state.

Semper Fi, Mac. (In every sense of the phrase.)

32 posted on 10/15/2010 4:45:39 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Note to Angela, Michael, and unnamed editors to learn about the difference between “officer” and NCO.

Thanks...

33 posted on 10/15/2010 5:18:07 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: Captain Rhino

I commend your service.


34 posted on 10/15/2010 11:09:27 PM PDT by bestintxas
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To: Captain Rhino
You are certainly entitled to your opinion about what probably happened, whether it was a spot decision by an NCO (with either pure or nefarious intentions) or an order from higher. But we will never know unless there is an investigation into the order to delete the video.

I will reserve my judgment once we learn more about the NCO who gave the order.
35 posted on 10/17/2010 7:12:03 AM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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