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GUN REGISTRATION IS GUN CONFISCATION (old but good)
The Prospector ^ | 27 December, 2000 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/16/2010 10:36:12 AM PDT by marktwain

The holy grail of the anti self defense and anti rights special interest groups is gun registration. This is because once your gun is required to be registered, it is in effect, already confiscated. Only a little thought will reveal to you why this is so. The Government will know who has legal possession of each firearm. They will know where the firearm is stored. When physical possession of the gun is desired, they can order you to turn it in. This has happened repeatedly. The historical examples include NAZI Germany, Soviet Russia, Red China, and Cambodia. Recent examples include Kosovo, Great Britian, Australia, New York, and California. Not having possession of the firearm registered to you can be grounds for criminal action. If you have reported the gun stolen, and it is then found in your possession, you can be charged with obstruction of justice.

It is a truism that once all guns are required to be registered, the only people who will legally possess guns will be those who have registered them. If you choose to follow the course of civil disobedience, and not register your firearms, mere possession of an unregistered gun can put you at grave legal risk. Civil disobedience has been the most common course of action in California and Canada, where it has proven impossible to enforce the laws requiring registration. If you choose this course of action, you would now be at the mercy of any informant who discovers that you possess a gun illegally. Children in the public schools are already being trained to tell the police if there is a gun in the house. Doctors are being urged to ask children if there are guns in their home. A warrant was issued in California for a SWAT raid based on the mere picture of people holding unidentified guns which were legal. The picture had been sent to the police by an informant in the film developing company. If you are not on the list of those who have registered, you have become a criminal. If you are forced to use the gun for self defense, you will have committed a serious crime. It will become extremely difficult to train your children in firearms safety or to bring friends or relatives into the gun culture. In a few years, the number of people with personal knowledge of guns will be much smaller. The people who urge gradual or immediate gun registration are attempting cultural genocide of the gun culture.

The common practice, once guns are required to be registered, is to gradually tighten the requirements of registration to reduce the number of gun owners. When the number is low enough to limit effective political action by the members of the gun culture affected, the remaining guns can be confiscated with little effort.

Gun registration has proven to be universally ineffective in reducing crime. In fact, crime is likely to increase because of the transfer of police resources from crime fighting to administer and police the political requirements of the gun registration scheme, and because of the reduced number of people willing or able to use their firearms for self defense. Self defense is never acknowledged by the anti rights special interest groups because it trumps their arguments for disarming the people. The primary purpose of gun registration has always been to reduce the political power of the people rather than reduce the crime rate.

The current attempt at requiring gun registration started in 1968, when congress required gun dealers to obtain a federal license, and purchasers of guns from federally licensed dealers were required to fill out a form 4473 to take possession. Congress forbid the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms from constructing any national gun registration list from this data, although a registration scheme of purchasers of more than one handgun within a week has been kept on the grounds that it was started before the congressional action forbidding such, and is therefore "grandfathered". In 1994, Congress passed the Brady bill, which required handgun purchasers to undergo an instant check or a five day wait to purchase a handgun. While parts of this act were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, a little known part of the bill went into effect in 1998, requiring all purchasers of firearms from licensed dealers to undergo an "instant check" before taking possession. Two safeguards had been built into the bill to insure that it would not be used to develop a national registration of firearms. First, the FBI was forbidden to keep any records of instant checks that allow purchase. Second, the instant checks only applied to dealers, not to private sales. Since any gun owner could sell their firearm whenever they wished, without government permission, no registration list could effectively be developed, and effective gun confiscation was prevented.

During the last year, both of these safeguards have been under attack. The FBI has refused to immediately destroy the instant check information, although required to do so by law. Recently a three judge panel in Washington, D. C. has voted two to one to uphold their ability to do so. Both judges voting for gun registration are Clinton appointees. The Clinton administration has been vociferously promoting the elimination of the other safeguard, private sales, which they call the "gun show loophole". Once private parties are forbidden from selling guns without government permission, it is only a matter of time before all guns and gun owners who are not registered are illegal.

I find particularly troubling the emphasis during the last decade on guns that are seldom used in crime, but are quite useful in military service. The same people who stated that they were only interested in limiting handguns, now call for limiting the ownership of military style rifles. Many models of guns which are almost never used in crime, are now illegal for people to own in some locations. The latest outrageous attempt to remove power from the people is to place severe restrictions on the sale of .50 caliber rifles. The authors of this bill don't even claim that these guns are used in crime. They want to ban them because they have a military purpose! The clearest reason for the Second Amendment to the Constitution is to insure that the people retain a large measure of military power, to balance the power of the government. The republic is in grave danger when congressmen openly state that they fear military power in the hands of the people.

The only purpose of gun registration is gun confiscation, whether it is done individually and piecemeal, as the legal requirements to own a gun become more and more difficult, or en mass, when the government feels the necessity to disarm its citizens in order to further its control.

Governments that push for gun registration distrust their people, and have earned the people's distrust.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; confiscation; constitution; democrats; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunregistration; molonlabe; obama; registration; shallnotbeinfringed; tyranny
This is why there is such a push to make private sales of firearms illegal (AKA gun show loophole).
1 posted on 10/16/2010 10:36:13 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: All; marktwain

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


2 posted on 10/16/2010 10:38:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. ~Mencken)
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To: marktwain
From an earlier post:

LESSON NO. 2: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and confiscate your firearms -- kill him. The disarmament of law-abiding citizens is the required precursor to genocide.

LESSON NO. 3: If a bureaucrat tells you that he must know if you have a firearm so he can put your name on a list for the common good, or wants to issue you an identity card so that you be more easily identified -- tell him to go to hell. Registration of people and firearms is the required precursor to the tyranny which permits genocide. Bureaucrats cannot send soldiers to doors that are not on their list.

3 posted on 10/16/2010 10:41:17 AM PDT by cayuga (Can the US survive an electorate stupid enough to send 0bama to the White House?)
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To: cayuga

I don’t own any firearms. They were all swept away in a flood. /s


4 posted on 10/16/2010 10:46:38 AM PDT by umgud (Wear your Border Patrol hats to the polls)
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To: marktwain

You don’t need Permission for a Right

Registration and Licensing is a Permission.


5 posted on 10/16/2010 10:46:38 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: marktwain
The holy grail of the anti self defense and anti rights special interest groups is gun registration.

ALL short guns sold legally in the U.S. are already registered with the FBI and the LOCAL police and the STATE police where you live. That has been a fact of life since 1968.

Long guns? I don't own any.

6 posted on 10/16/2010 10:53:56 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: marktwain
Americans did nothing when NFA '34 was passed. I have no reason to believe they'll do anything if an anti-gun bill is passed by Congress before January.

Remember, the police have APCs, not tanks. Remember Waco?


7 posted on 10/16/2010 10:55:29 AM PDT by wastedyears (Know this, I will return to this land... rebuild where the ruins did stand)
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To: marktwain

Funny, I foolishly carried all my guns and ammo on a canoe that upended and all of my guns and ammo were lost.

True story.


8 posted on 10/16/2010 10:57:24 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: GoldenPup
“ALL short guns sold legally in the U.S. are already registered with the FBI and the LOCAL police and the STATE police where you live. That has been a fact of life since 1968.”

A common misconception. It is simply not true. How do the local police, FBI, and the State police know about a pistol purchased from a stranger advertised in the local classified 5 years ago? They do not have that knowledge. That is why they wish to make private sales illegal.

9 posted on 10/16/2010 10:59:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: GoldenPup

“ALL short guns sold legally in the U.S. are already registered with the FBI and the LOCAL police and the STATE police where you live. That has been a fact of life since 1968.”

All they have to do is apply the same restrictions to ‘long guns’ and you have nation gun registration. Why an 18” barrel restriction for shotguns? All they have to do is make it 42”.


10 posted on 10/16/2010 11:04:10 AM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: marktwain

I assume that he meant short barreled shotguns and rifles.


11 posted on 10/16/2010 12:01:40 PM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: marktwain

All of my guns were LOST in a tragic boating accident in the middle of the Atlantic. Nothing to register. And my CC license is for a...a ginsu knife. Yeah, that’s it. An old, classic ginsu.


12 posted on 10/16/2010 12:22:34 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: ol painless

“I assume that he meant short barreled shotguns and rifles.”

It is possible, but as the reference was to 1968, I thought he was refering to pistols.


13 posted on 10/16/2010 12:35:28 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Oldpuppymax
All of my guns were LOST in a tragic boating accident in the middle of the Atlantic. Nothing to register. And my CC license is for a...a ginsu knife. Yeah, that’s it. An old, classic ginsu.

Don't you get tired of ancient jokes? That remark has grown whiskers on FR. And besides, once the jackbooters have beaten down your door and knocked you against the wall, how much credence would they give that stupid remark?

14 posted on 10/16/2010 12:36:21 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: marktwain

Years ago, I knew a guy who had escaped Hungary at about age 16.

He said that when they were invaded, the soldiers went to the police stations & got the lists of all the registered guns.

The soldiers then went to those houses first & confiscated the guns.

Some people got away before the soldiers came & that was the nucleus of the resistance.

He was a pretty happy guy——But when he spoke of what had happened in his home country, his faced changed completely.


15 posted on 10/16/2010 12:44:43 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: umgud

Firearms?

What are firearms?


16 posted on 10/16/2010 1:01:06 PM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander
What are firearms?


17 posted on 10/16/2010 1:42:04 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: 50mm

Oh!

Well then, I used to have one of those but I lost it out of my back pocket somewhere in the woods.


18 posted on 10/16/2010 2:08:04 PM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: marktwain
Just remember what National rulers of a Socialist bent have said in the past:

A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. Vladimir Lenin

We want them registered - Nancy Pelosi

Registration or de facto registration in the form of closing the so-called “Gun-show loophole” means our Dear Leaders are granting “Permission” for you to have the right to defend yourself.

This “Permission” can be withdrawn at any time and thus your right to self-defense can be withdrawn at any time.

19 posted on 10/17/2010 8:23:35 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: ridesthemiles
He was a pretty happy guy——But when he spoke of what had happened in his home country, his faced changed completely.

Whoa – that comment really struck a cord in me.

An old friend of mine was the exact same way, except he was Vietnamese.

Isn't it interesting how people have that reaction to the oppression of Socialism?

20 posted on 10/17/2010 8:30:18 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: OldPossum
Lighten up a little.

Don't you realize that this is a way for people to extend a middle finger to the Socialists?

It's telling them: Do you really think that we're all going to sit around waiting for our means of self defense to be taken from us?

I've been to gun shows where some vendors were selling long metal boxes with rubber seals.

Clearly some people are thinking ahead of the game.

Besides, it still supposed to be a “Free-country”, and one is still allowed to sell their property to others – including their guns.

I sold all mine to Art Vandelaye or something......

21 posted on 10/17/2010 8:38:46 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: GYL2
Yes, I understand the purpose of what is being posted. It's just that they all use some variation of the same theme, i.e., how tragic it is that my guns were lost in a “boat accident” (why ALL the guns were on a boat is a mystery). Damn, but that gets so old and it's not a bit witty. Your last sentence, though, is better. At least, it's different from that stupid boat theme.

It's tough for the OP to lighten up because I am a serious man who does not see the world in humorous terms. Life in all of its manifeststions is a serious business.

22 posted on 10/17/2010 10:36:36 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

That would be “manifestations.” Just saw that.


23 posted on 10/17/2010 10:38:22 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum
Well. I would agree that different versions would be good – and something people should really think about.

I'm sorry if I sounded a little bit like an a-hole with the “Lighten up” bit – I would definitely agree that these are serious times we are living in. They are the most serious in the history of the world, mark my words on that.

It's just that you shouldn't let the seriousness of things have a negative effect on you. Address these serious issues, but don't let it affect your physical health.

24 posted on 10/17/2010 11:55:45 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A local gun store (Keene's Depot in Bardstown, KY for those interested) has several FP-45's for sale. I think they are around $500.

Once I knock out a few other purchases, I plan on getting one of these fascinating pieces of history.

25 posted on 10/17/2010 12:05:22 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany.")
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To: GYL2

I did not take your remarks to me as overly critical; and no offense was taken. I agree that you have a good point in urging me to lighten up a bit.

You also are correct in pointing out that these are the most serious times in the history of the world. We have a government that could easily combine an economic depression with setting off a world-wide war that this time will be fought with nuclear weapons.

Fortunately for me, I am indeed an “OldPossum” nearing 70 years of age. Every day is a bonus for me since I never expected to live this long. Fortunately, too, I have no children, so, as our illustrious leader says, I have no “skin in this game.” Nevertheless, I find life intereesting and I’d like to continue living...in prosperity and peace.


26 posted on 10/17/2010 2:37:23 PM PDT by OldPossum
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