Arson blamed for fire that destroyed Mormon church in Mukilteo Washington

The Herald ^ | October 16, 2010 | Gale Fiege

[Ripliancum]

MUKILTEO — Arson is the cause of an early morning fire that destroyed a church building next door to Kamiak High School, fire and police officials said. No one was injured in the blaze.

The Snohomish County Fire Marshal’s office, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and Mukilteo Fire and Police departments concluded Saturday afternoon that the fire was started outside near the back entry of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints building at the corner of Harbour Pointe Boulevard and Chennault Beach Drive.

The two-alarm fire, first reported shortly before 3 a.m. Saturday, has left two Mormon congregations without a place to worship.

Firefighters at the nearby Mukilteo Fire Department responded within minutes, said Assistant Fire Chief Brian McMahan.

[Elsie]

Would CONTEXT help?

 

Matthew 15:10-20  (New International Version)

 ¹⁰Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. ¹¹What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

 ¹²Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"

 ¹³He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. ¹⁴Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

 ¹⁵Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

 ¹⁶"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. ¹⁷"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? ¹⁸But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' ¹⁹For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. ²⁰These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

[T Minus Four]

I'll say it again - if LDS just went about being LDS, most people would ignore them. it's the outrageous insult to Christianity that people are fighting against.

Be LDS! Wear special underwear! Avoid coffee! Do temple work! Have a nice life and worship whatever you chose to.

JUST STOP CALLING IT CHRISTIAN!

[Elsie]

 

There would be no so called “anti” posts but for the LDS posters being anti-Christian and spewing their supposed superiority and restoration of whatever.

 

 

MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 

                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

                            -- all you have is a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

 

 

Revision 46.2

Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.

All rights liable to be abused.

 

[meyer]

I have the context right here - I was just wondering why the version you’ve quoted is so imprecise, or at least so different. Calling someone “dull” can be construed as an insult whereas asking if they don’t yet understand doesn’t appear as a “put-down” but merely as a question.

I like the old version better. :-)

[Vendome]

Zactly.

Seem duplicitous to call Christendom “Whores of Babylon” and “Apostates” on the one hand while demanding parity of social recognition as the one true church.

There is no such thing as someone’s craptastic proclamation of the “one true church”.

It’s an invention by man.

[Tennessee Nana]

I believe that church members should start packing (guns).
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“restore” the early days of mormonism, eh ???

[T Minus Four]

I love sites like this which show the greek and how it has been variously translated. I've seen one I like better but i didn't bookmark it - I'll look more later.

[Tennessee Nana]

Matthew 15:16

New International Version (©1984)
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them.

New Living Translation (©2007)
“Don’t you understand yet?” Jesus asked.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And He said, “Are you also still without understanding?

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also?

International Standard Version (©2008)
Jesus said, “Are you still so ignorant?

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus said, “Don’t you understand yet?

King James Bible
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

American King James Version
And Jesus said, Are you also yet without understanding?

American Standard Version
And He said, Are ye also even yet without understanding?

Bible in Basic English
And He said, Are you, like them, still without wisdom?

Douay-Rheims Bible
But He said: Are you also yet without understanding?

Darby Bible Translation
But He said, Are ye also still without intelligence?

English Revised Version
And He said, Are ye also even yet without understanding?

Webster’s Bible Translation
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

Weymouth New Testament
“Are even you,” He answered, “still without intellingence?

World English Bible
So Jesus said, “Do you also still not understand?

Young’s Literal Translation
And Jesus said, ‘Are ye also yet without understanding?

Amplified Bible (1995)
And He said, “Are you also even yet so dull and ignorant (without understanding and unable to put things together)?”

[Tennessee Nana]

Matthew 15:16

King James Bible
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

the word “understanding” in the Greek is asunetos meaning unintelligent, impl wicked - foolish, without understanding

[Osage Orange]

Too bad you couldn't have just admitted that what you posted was what you thought. And apologized for your candor.

You and I know...it wasn't a joke, now don't we.

I mean really....a few weeks ago, we have mormon's going nuts accusing FReeper's of possibly being murderer's...and then when it's proved out the murderer was a mormon...we had nothing but mormon FReeper's attempting to distance themselves from the accusations and smear the mormon who did the shooting. Nuts, really.

It's all like bee's in a hive....working for the collective.

Welcome to the Morg........

[Osage Orange]

Well then you are nothing but a bigoted hater.........

Ha!

[Osage Orange]

If you haven’t seen some of the vicious attacks against LDS on here, then you haven’t been reading those posts. And it’s not my job to show them to you, it’s yours to do the research

You know...you just can't accuse others of that...and then throw the burden of proof on the other person.

So...as a service to the "Dear Reader's" give some examples...of these "vicious attacks".....

I would be interested....and so would PD's "Dear Reader's".....Thanks!!

[meyer]

Holy cow! One little verse, so much controversy! I guess it’s all in the translation after all. Thanks for the links, all. As I said, I’m not equipped to argue the issue, but I do find it interesting.

FWIW, the “meyer” version reads thus: “Thou hast been mugged, and yet thou art still a democRAT?” :-)

[Osage Orange]

At what point in time can we all expect some replies?

Because it seems like a pandemic around this thread of no replies......

[Osage Orange]

Ha!!

[greyfoxx39]

I'll say it again - if LDS just went about being LDS, most people would ignore them. it's the outrageous insult to Christianity that people are fighting against.

Be LDS! Wear special underwear! Avoid coffee! Do temple work! Have a nice life and worship whatever you chose to.

JUST STOP CALLING IT CHRISTIAN!

Worth repeating and repeating and repeating.....

[Colofornian]

Best Mormon “pride” and self-glory list I’ve seen

[Paragon Defender]

ROFL!! You just couldn’t help yourself! You had to twist this into an Anti-Mormon propagandafest. You couldn’t just leave it at saying it was innapropriate for that poster to say what he did.

Too much. =-D

[Paragon Defender]

Disgusting action, I hope the catch the “individual” regardless of motives and throw the book at him.

I may disagree with Mormonism as much as I do anything but defend to the death their right to practice and do so safely. Safe the fight for the arena of ideas.

---

You surprise me yet again. thank you.

[Colofornian]

Yeah, I know. Don't dare touch history. Don't dare reveal that Mayor Joe Smith ordered the destruction of public property because he didn't like it revealing his semi-private polygamy lifestyle.

(Did you ever notice, PD, that Lds never went public on the so-called D&C 132 til 1851? If God wanted the Lds to practice polygamy, why didn't Joe go public with D&C132? The reason is, and it's plain to see when you re-read D&C 132 from a key filter -- is that Smith really wrote D&C 132 for his wife, Emma, who was objecting to additional wives, most of whom Emma didn't know about).

The challenge: All, read D&C 132 from this perspective. See the personal verses Joe has written for Emma.