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Arson blamed for fire that destroyed Mormon church in Mukilteo Washington
The Herald ^ | October 16, 2010 | Gale Fiege

Posted on 10/16/2010 7:37:24 PM PDT by Ripliancum

MUKILTEO — Arson is the cause of an early morning fire that destroyed a church building next door to Kamiak High School, fire and police officials said. No one was injured in the blaze.

The Snohomish County Fire Marshal’s office, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and Mukilteo Fire and Police departments concluded Saturday afternoon that the fire was started outside near the back entry of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints building at the corner of Harbour Pointe Boulevard and Chennault Beach Drive.

The two-alarm fire, first reported shortly before 3 a.m. Saturday, has left two Mormon congregations without a place to worship.

Firefighters at the nearby Mukilteo Fire Department responded within minutes, said Assistant Fire Chief Brian McMahan.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arson; churcharson; churchburning; churchburnings; fire; inman; lds; mormon; mukilteo; washington
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To: greyfoxx39
JUST STOP CALLING IT CHRISTIAN!
151 posted on 10/19/2010 6:15:43 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender
You had to twist this into an Anti-Mormon propagandafest. 
 
 PD; you REALLY have to understand the HISTORY of this thread!
 
As ONE Mormon replied to ANOTHER in #6.....
 

To: Ripliancum

They could start their investigation right here at FR, based on some of the downright hateful posts here about Mormons.

6 posted on Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:17:59 PM by panaxanax (IMPEACH THE MUSLIM MARXIST....NOW!!!)
 


 
 
You couldn’t just leave it at saying it was innapropriate for that poster to say what he did.
 
You bet your BIPPY!!
 
It was THEY who started it; we merely jumped in! 
 
This kind of thing will NOT get a pass from us any more!
 
Deal with it.
 
 
 
 

152 posted on 10/19/2010 6:22:21 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

Do you like the BOX?


153 posted on 10/19/2010 6:22:51 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Do you like the BOX?

Do I EVER! And Conservative too!

154 posted on 10/19/2010 6:34:36 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, at the Maynard Dixon Living History Museum)
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To: Elsie

The comment made in #6 is part of what I am talking about. Seriously you REALLY need to read and think before you post.


155 posted on 10/19/2010 7:43:04 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Osage Orange

“You know...you just can’t accuse others of that...and then throw the burden of proof on the other person.”

Looks like my post drew blood, not only from you but from a couple of other “Mormon haters”. I don’t owe you squat. You need to learn to read. You’re welcome!


156 posted on 10/19/2010 7:49:04 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: greyfoxx39

“How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church.”

Your proselytizing should be FOR Jesus Christ not AGAINST Mormons, Catholics, Jews, et. al.

“Have YOU been reading those posts?”

Yes I have; that’s what caused me to respond.

“Every day 52,000 mormons go door-to-door all over the world and tell folks that mormonism is the ONLY true church and whatever Christian faith these people have is false. I suppose this is to be ignored, right?”

So do Jehovah’s Witnesses! Never had a Mormon tell me that my faith is false. Thinking and saying are two different things. I even dated one whose father was a deacon while I was in college. Nothing like that ever happened. Your charge is similar to those that accuse the Tea Party of being racist because one rally attendee held up an untoward sign. Specific hatred of Mormons is NOT normal.


157 posted on 10/19/2010 8:08:16 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: secondamendmentkid
Your charge is similar to those that accuse the Tea Party of being racist because one rally attendee held up an untoward sign. Specific hatred of Mormons is NOT normal.

Specifically, PROVE my "specific hatred of mormons".

I detest the mormon sect for the cult that it is and make no bones about it. Your charge of my being a race baiter is specifically a personal insult.

And, BTW, if the father of the person you dated was just a "deacon", he wasn't a worthy mormon or he would have been more than a deacon in adulthood.

My "proselytizing" against mormonism is every bit as valid as mormon proselytizing AGAINST Christianity, which began with the founder and continues to this day. Tens of thousands claiming the one and ONLY way to salvation is through membership and obedience to mormonism is as a lie told by mormons on a daily basis.

158 posted on 10/19/2010 9:08:21 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Jim Robinson
“If that’s the way you idiots think of our fellow FReepers then you can all take a freaking hike! Get the hell off of FR and stay off!!”
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Jim, since you lumped me into this response, I suggest you see post #8. I was actually defending the anti Mormon FReepers of this type of behavior. I think you are over generalizing in defending fellow members.

While there are many FReepers who disagree with the LDS teachings, I see no violence here on this site. There are those, out in the world that can and do us harm. I have witnessed this firsthand. I have personally seen the hand of arson perpetuated on LDS missionary apartments, cars scratched with anti Mormon slogans, etc. I do believe there are those who make sport of us in mocking our faith, but as to accusations of violence on FR... no.

159 posted on 10/19/2010 9:39:39 AM PDT by Ripliancum ("If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest." Prov.29:9)
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To: Osage Orange
“Hating Mormons is sport for many. A ‘crime’ is the last thing they would think of it being.”

_________________

You are despicable....and pathetic. And an example for your religion....I hope you are proud.

A bishop, or leader, eh?

Sick.

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Osage, methinks thou doth protest too much. No one is talking about you.
If you don't think bad crap happens against the LDS people, you are living in a shell. I grew up in the South, one of two LDS families in my school. You have no idea how bad it can be, or the type of “sport” some play at.

160 posted on 10/19/2010 9:45:03 AM PDT by Ripliancum ("If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest." Prov.29:9)
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To: Elsie
“I bet dollars to donuts it was gays.”
********
Sounds like one of them did you wrong.
______________________

Actually yes, but that's besides the point. This act sure smells of retaliation for President Packer's remarks at General Conference. I could be wrong, but it fits.

161 posted on 10/19/2010 9:51:10 AM PDT by Ripliancum ("If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest." Prov.29:9)
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To: secondamendmentkid
You are an angry little demon kid...aren't you!

LOL!!

162 posted on 10/19/2010 10:57:33 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Ripliancum
Rip....you are here. And you posted it here. And you know exactly what I meant.

You are busted, once again.

Does lying, deflecting, dodging just come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?

163 posted on 10/19/2010 11:38:37 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange
OO, if you take offense at that, then you might want to look at you own actions. Not knowing you, I can't speak to that, I can only speak to what I know has happened to me and to those I love and respect.

If everything posted at FR was only about FReepers, then this would be a very boring place.

Take a chill pill man.

164 posted on 10/19/2010 11:48:36 AM PDT by Ripliancum ("If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest." Prov.29:9)
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To: Ripliancum
So...you still don't get it.

Or you do, and you just continue to lie about it.

Fair enough.......

And take a truth pill, dude.

165 posted on 10/19/2010 12:05:39 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange

I see no reason to continue further with you. You’re mind is made up as to my apparent sinister motives and actions.

Have a good day.


166 posted on 10/19/2010 12:07:50 PM PDT by Ripliancum ("If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest." Prov.29:9)
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To: Ripliancum
Rip....just know you ain't fooling me, nor are you fooling others.

You are fooling yourself though.......

Good luck.....

167 posted on 10/19/2010 12:39:45 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange

“You are an angry little demon kid...aren’t you! LOL!!”

Got your attention, eh? Not angry, just amused. I’ve stirred pots b4 and it will likely occur again. It’s one way to find out who the hotheads are.


168 posted on 10/20/2010 2:35:53 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: greyfoxx39
"Specifically, PROVE my "specific hatred of mormons". followed by: "I detest the mormon sect for the cult that it is and make no bones about it..." de·test/diˈtest/ Verb: Dislike intensely. More » Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary I rest my case! You should have exercised your rights under the fifth amendment.
169 posted on 10/20/2010 2:41:36 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: secondamendmentkid
You should have exercised your rights under the fifth amendment.

You should learn to read before hitting th "post" button and again I say, "PROVE my "specific hatred of mormons".

170 posted on 10/20/2010 4:47:32 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: secondamendmentkid
I understand you..

And I will tell you....you are following a "man" that invented a "religion". Period.

It's not of God...in fact it's a perversion of God's Word.

I can help you...but I suppose by your actions here you are stuck....and struck.

I understand that....

May God help you.........

171 posted on 10/20/2010 5:15:29 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: reaganaut

Got a reply yet?


172 posted on 10/20/2010 5:19:40 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange

Can’t just toss out a spurious accusation and run along? Sure the Mormon punk can. It’s becoming standard operating procedure to toss flames and then claim innocence or some other lie, like ‘I was just shakin’ the trees to see who the haters are on this thread.’ You can expect this sort of behavior from those in cults. Rational discussion is not their stock and trade else they would not be in a cult. I admire your patience with such punkish behavior. Thankfully, it is not the standard behavior of the everyday Mormon.


173 posted on 10/20/2010 5:23:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Osage Orange; Paragon Defender
No comment here....

I understand........

174 posted on 10/20/2010 5:29:20 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Elsie

“no replies” is pandemic.......................


175 posted on 10/20/2010 5:33:09 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Osage Orange

nope. But all my searches still say ‘gun free zones’.


176 posted on 10/20/2010 5:55:22 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: secondamendmentkid; greyfoxx39

. I even dated one whose father was a deacon while I was in college.

- - - - - -
Ummm...in the LDS ‘decons’ are 12 year old boys not grown men.

And did they ever mention the ‘universal apostasy’?


177 posted on 10/20/2010 6:41:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: secondamendmentkid; greyfoxx39

. I even dated one whose father was a deacon while I was in college.

- - - - - -
Ummm...in the LDS ‘deacons’ are 12 year old boys not grown men.

And did they ever mention the ‘universal apostasy’?


178 posted on 10/20/2010 6:42:06 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Paragon Defender

O...
K...


179 posted on 10/21/2010 7:13:55 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: secondamendmentkid
I don’t owe you squat.

True; but maybe the LURKERS would like to see TWO sides of an argument...

180 posted on 10/21/2010 7:15:29 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum
If everything posted at FR was only about FReepers, then this would be a very boring place.

Not if they talked about ME!

181 posted on 10/21/2010 7:17:42 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
 

Can’t just toss out a spurious accusation and run along? Sure the Mormon punk can.




And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was.
 
I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.”
 
I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 


Endemic...

182 posted on 10/21/2010 7:20:23 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Ummm...in the LDS ‘decons’ are 12 year old boys not grown men.

HMmmm...

At my house; I kill mice with it!

183 posted on 10/21/2010 7:22:05 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“..maybe the LURKERS would like to see TWO sides of an argument..”

I agree but one can present their argument without such vitriol. If you followed the thread, you discovered that I don’t agree with Mormon beliefs, but I can express that in a sane manner, unlike a couple of other yahoos on here.


184 posted on 10/21/2010 8:01:17 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: reaganaut

“Ummm...in the LDS ‘deacons’ are 12 year old boys not grown men.”

Okay, so I got his title wrong; he was some high functionary in their church. Neither he nor his daughter made attempts to convert me, but there was an “understanding” (from her) that future marriage was not in the cards without that. As I had no intention to do that, the relationship deteriorated but the separation was amicable. It was not necessary for me to spew hatred at her or her religion.

You see, people can be misguided (in our view) in their beliefs, but that doesn’t make them bad people.


185 posted on 10/21/2010 8:15:16 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: Osage Orange

“And I will tell you....you are following a “man” that invented a “religion”. Period.”

Perhaps you should get out of your tunnel vision and read an entire thread instead of just one or two posts. Early on, I stated that I was NOT a believer in LDS. But I was agreeing with an earlier poster criticizing the hatred against Mormons spewed by some on here.

You are not in any position to judge me or anyone else, especially in your bearing of FALSE witness in your post.


186 posted on 10/21/2010 8:21:13 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: greyfoxx39

“You should learn to read before hitting th “post” button and again I say, “PROVE my “specific hatred of mormons”.

Yeah, for some reason the preview got screwed up; guess I should have re-written it. But it was clear within your post that you used the word “detest”. And the definition of detest was furnished to you. If that’s not hate to you, then maybe you should think a little longer before you become reactionary or consult a dictionary when posting.


187 posted on 10/21/2010 8:26:22 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: secondamendmentkid
maybe you should think a little longer before you become reactionary

Perhaps instead of trying to attribute a motive to me, you should again read what I posted...I detest the mormon organization...there is NO indication in my posts that I detest individual mormons.

Your posts on this thread indicate to me that there is no indication of your willingness to do anything but make false accusations against other FReepers. Your "contribution" to this thread is that of disruption.

188 posted on 10/21/2010 8:57:31 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: secondamendmentkid
The post I originally responded to was the post you claimed "vicious attacks" and then said...you weren't going to provide the proof.

And you do this on a thread where anti-mormonism ( Yeah...it's Anti-mormonISM...) FReepers are being accused of being arsonist's? It wasn't long ago...that the same FReeper's were being accused of murder.

My first post to you..was pretty civil. And then you got snotty...

No sweat...you've admitted here that you like to stir the pot. Fair enough. If that's how you get your jolly's.....so be it.

I can judge you 24/7 pal....just like you can me. Judge away...which of course you've already done..posting to me. I could careless.

I didn't see your post...saying you weren't a mormon. I assumed you were based on your posts.......Pretty good assumption...considering how you carry yourself.

FWIW

189 posted on 10/21/2010 10:02:41 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: secondamendmentkid
You see, people can be misguided (in our view) in their beliefs, but that doesn’t make them bad people.

Who here...as said they are "bad people"?

And I will once again remind you....of the thread you are on..and the accusations that have been made by mormon's here.

190 posted on 10/21/2010 10:05:30 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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Can't we all just get along?


191 posted on 10/21/2010 12:58:26 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: secondamendmentkid

You see, people can be misguided (in our view) in their beliefs, but that doesn’t make them bad people.
- - - - - - -

I never said they were ‘bad’ people. But that doesn’t get them to Heaven. Only Jesus does and Mormons don’t believe in the Biblical Jesus.

I hate all forms of heresy, especially those that make God a man and Jesus just one of us. If he was just one of us, He wouldn’t be Savior.

I don’t hate Mormons, I do hate their teachings, their lies and the fact that their leadership lies, covers up and whitewashes their history. Same things I hate about liberals, you aren’t complaining about what I say about the libs.


192 posted on 10/21/2010 5:55:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

bttt, with popcorn


193 posted on 10/22/2010 4:56:33 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: magritte; Paragon Defender; Stourme

Who gives a rat’s ass about the Nauvoo Expositor? (1844) Is that relevant to why this church was burned? Of course not. That’s the problem with religious bigots...they can’t see through anything but their twisted pitiful lens...pathetic...magritte

***

What I find amazing is that before the Nauvoo Expositor was destoryed the same things happen to the LDS printing press the mob came in and destoryed the press and tared and feather someone or some who were in the office at the time!

Printing in Missouri 1832
The Evening and Morning Star was the first Latter Day Saint periodical. It was initially published in a printing office operated by William Wines Phelps in Independence, Missouri beginning in June, 1832 until the office was destroyed by a mob on 20 July 1833, after the Star published a discussion[2] of U.S. and Missouri laws regarding slavery, African-Americans, and mixed-raced Americans. Pro-slavery Missourians responded with an outraged “Manifesto of the Mob,” [3], in which Mormons were decried as “...deluded fanatics, or weak and designing knaves...” and so forth. The mob also destroyed numerous uncompleted copies of the Book of Commandments.


194 posted on 11/07/2010 5:34:43 PM PST by restornu
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Free People of Color
http://www.blacklds.org/fpoc


195 posted on 11/07/2010 5:45:12 PM PST by restornu
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