Skip to comments.Report: Sunni Allies in Iraq Quit to Rejoin Al Qaeda
Posted on 10/17/2010 5:43:56 AM PDT by Son HouseEdited on 10/17/2010 6:45:55 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Hundreds of members of the Awakening Councils, a collection of United States-allied Sunni sheiks and their militia forces, have quit or been dismissed from their positions in the past few months, the New York Times reported Saturday.
Iraqi government officials say that the fighters, known as Sahwa, have left as a result of an intensive recruiting campaign by the Sunni insurgency and rejoined Al Qaeda. Many have extensive knowledge of the U.S. military, the Times said, adding that it is possible that thousands of the fighters who are working for the government are simultaneously assisting the insurgency.
Nice attempt at kicking that football, again, Charlie Brown.
All we need is to reserve some Hueys and find the right tall building to pick up the last of our people. Someplace photogenic, with a nice flat roof that can go down in history. :(
I wonder how the negotiated peace with the Taliban is going to work out once we leave Afganistan?? Our problems will all be over.
I wonder how our negotiated peace with the Democrats is going to work out once we get Obama out of office?? Our problems will all be over.
Yep, Democrats ran on getting us out of Iraq in 2006,
Harry Reid, “that this war is lost”
U.S. on Target to Remove Combat Troops From Iraq by Month’s End
Published August 19, 2010
You all summed this up very nicely.
Thats exactly what happens when you play nice in War.
This compassionate war worked out very well for the enemy,they are supposed to be dead BTW and us gone long ago,But we disband the Iraq Army and play games with the “great Religion”.
How’s that date certain for withdrawal working out? Works like this every time it’s tried. ;-)
Arabs will be Arabs.
The US is arming and funding and training a Palestinian Army, to, you know, “fight terrorists”.
What could go wrong?
Actually, Patraeus' policy was absurd from the beginning. It is like trying to stop US crime by bribing criminals with guns, training, and a salary.
Now the Sunnis have been fed, rested, and stocked up with weapons and ammo.
There are no moderate muslims. They all read the same book. It is an absolute oxymoron. The true problem is you can not interpet it like the Bible. The criminal’s words can not be doubted. That is the fear we should all have against this horde.
Somewhere along the line a Muslim has to decide whether to be an Infidel collaborator,which is forbidden in the Koran , or to do Allah's biding -subjugate, convert or kill all people who do not believe there is only one God and Muhammed is his prophet.
Major Hasan made his decision at Fort Hood.
The Iraqi and Afghani Muslims have that same decision confronting them.- Tom
Not necessarily. It depends upon whether there are real dividends to peaceful coexistence or whether returning to religiously sanctioned theft is more profitable.
The answer is as simple as Sunni, Shia and Kurd. They really don’t want to be a part of each other, so why force it?
I'm going to defer to the FReeper who is in Anbar Province where the Awakening Councils began, until I have more information.
***What Patraeus had achieved, Obama has undone. ***
Thanks Son House. Obama’s fault.
As I understand it, Iraqi Sunnis consider themselves to be vastly superior to Iraqi Shiites and Kurds. A permanent American force is required to make the Sunnis to serve under the American-installed Shiite-Kurd government. If American power ever recedes, Sunnis will seek to regain the domination of Iraq they previously had under Saddam.
And even more superior to infidels, but it didn't keep them from working with Petraeus, did it?
We must wrap up Afghanistan within the year to be able to send Petraeus to Iraq. (next Obama sound bite)
Actually, at this time, it's the Iran-funded Shia militant groups who are poised to take Iraq if we should ever fade away.
The US will have a presence here in Iraq for the foreseeable future, though.
Yep, Obama ended the war. Back to promoting Obamacare...
Barack Obama ends the war in Iraq. ‘Now it’s time to turn the page’
US president delivers on key election promise and thanks troops for ‘job well done’ but cautions against triumphalism
They’re looking out for their own future.
Wasnt Saddam a Sunni? Holding power over the larger Shia population by force & terror?
I dont know if they can ever work together long enough to attack a common enemy. Instead it sounds like they are too busy fighting each other.
As I understand it, the division is more racial than religious. Kurds are religiously Sunni, but racially distinct from the rest of Iraqi Sunnis. The Iraqi race-group called "Sunni" considers itself to be racially superior to all the other Iraqi races. Foreign races are another matter.
As I understand it, Iraqi Shiites already dominate the current government and have ethnically cleansed the Sunnis from Bagdad. All Iraqi Shiites are pro-Iranian. Is this not true?
Where’s the button? Get our people out of there, and I’ll push it. Waste all of those pissants and let God sort them out!
Not at all. If anything, there are more Sunnis in Baghdad than there are Shiites. The Shiites dominate the southern cities such as Basra, Najaf and Nasariyah. Baghdad is a mix of everyone, including Christians.
And NO, not all Iraqi Shiites are pro-Iranian. All pro-Iranian types here are Shia, but I personally know many Shiites who don't want any government here that resembles that of Iran's. These people all lived in a secular society for decades and they still lean very much that way. That's why Allawi got the most votes in the March elections - he campaigned on secular government principles.
There are a lot of the pro-Iranian scum here and most of them follow that vermin Muqtada al Sadr. But the majority of Iraqis despise his militant tactics and just want peace.
Yes, and lots of Sunnis held favored positions in the government, although there were a couple of high-ranking Shiites and one Christian as well. Saddam wasn't particularly religious.
Holding power over the larger Shia population by force & terror?
After the Shia attempted to overthrow the slimebag in 1991 and failed, yes, he and his thugs did take revenge in many ways.
Instead it sounds like they are too busy fighting each other.
There are certainly power struggles and Muqtada al Sadr's minions are defintely a HUGE problem, but the Sunnis and the Shiites aren't fighting each other as much as the media would have you believe.
However, things have been deteriorating here since March when Iraq held elections but up to now has failed to seat its government. That's where the squabbles are - not so much among the people.
Iraq has recently announced that it is now working on seating the government and al Qaeda has threatened to do everything it can to prevent that.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. *Sigh*
>>There are a lot of the pro-Iranian scum here and most of them follow that vermin Muqtada al Sadr.
Boy, there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. I still can’t help but think he should have been taken out 7-8 years ago.
That would be Mookie al Sadr’s gang, would it not? Haven’t heard much about him of late.
The way folks survive in these horribly violent cultures is to create systems where they can ‘jump’ to the winning side. When a winner’s established, - people rush to that side... it’s called something like inshallah ...
What do you want?
We shouldn’t have allied with the Sunnis or anyone else in that region. When you go to War you go win then after it’s over fix it all back up and leave.
Iran sends another dangerous Shia terror commander back to Iraq
By Bill RoggioOctober 18, 2010
Another Shia terror commander who takes orders from Iran has recently returned to Iraq, heightening fears that violence in the quiet Iraqi south may spike.
Iran has sent Abu Mustafa al Sheibani, the commander of the notorious Sheibani Network, back to Iraq to reorganize his fighters, US military and intelligence officials told The Long War Journal. The exact date of Sheibani’s return is not known, but he is believed to have returned to Iraq sometime in the late summer.
Good news. Maybe it will shape up to be a real bloodbath over there. :-)
How many acts of war does Iran have to commit before we reciprocate?
Don’t hold back, how do you *really* feel? ;’)
And then you would all just call me a psychopath. But that wouldn’t really bother me. I could care less. :-))
The government of Iraq promised to give them civilian jobs, but very few were hired. Those that were hired received menial work. Many joined the Iraqi Army or the Iraqi Police forces. Some were actually given "honorary" ranking positions, but now the Iraqi government is working to strip them of their Army/Police ranks and reduce them to the rank-and-file.
Earlier this year, many were issued their final meager pay by the government of Iraq and essentially told to hit the road.
In essence, they were sold out by the same government(s) that they fought for. With the Iraqi economy still in shambles, and rampant unemployment, it's no wonder that they are reverting to their old ways.
As an added note, the al Iraqiya bloc, which won by a slim majority last March, has threatened to quit the government if Maliki retains his seat as the PM. This falls right in line with the recent conditions set by the Iranian government for backing Maliki. Iran wants al-Maliki to refrain from renewing the security agreement with the United States after its expiration in 2011 and insists that he tie the Iraqi economy to Irans. Al-Maliki must also protect two Shiite militant groups Asaib Ahl al-Haq and Jamaat Hezbollah that split from Jaish al-Mahdi, the militant arm of Muqtada al-Sadrs group. If al-Maliki cannot protect the groups, he should at least leave them alone and not attempt to disband them, the source said.
What does this mean for the average Iraqi on the streets in Anbar Province? Many have been purchasing weapons for self defense. Others are seriously considering safe haven in Syria or Jordan. I spoke with one Iraqi today who told me that the reason that the security situation is (relatively speaking) calm due to the continued presence of the US forces. He believes that once US troops depart, civil war will begin anew, with an outcome not unlike that which occured in the former Yugoslavia.
That damn Maliki is nothing but trouble. He's a puppet for Iran and always has been. He's only "played nice" with us to get funding.
Allawi won that election and Maliki refuses to cede power, thus creating the deadlock (and subsequent deterioration of the security situation) we see today.
If we had a decent administration back home, we'd probably be able to do somthing about this, but alas, we have the Muslim who favors Iran over our own country.
Another side of the issue is that Iraq needs a strong leader to hold the country together. Allawi isn't it. He hasn't demanded that Maliki step down, nor has he taken the proper course of action to push Maliki out.
The Sunni's in Anbar view Allawi as weak and ineffective. Many Sunni's are making plans (i.e. buying weapons and looking for safe haven in Syria or Jordan). They have no doubts that Iraq will return to civil war once the USF depart.
You wouldn't believe how many Sunni's wish that Saddam was back in office. Again- they know what to expect with a dictator. Western ideals aren't working for them.
FreedomPoster- Sorry, I just noticed that I forgot to ping you to this thread.