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Report: Sunni Allies in Iraq Quit to Rejoin Al Qaeda
FOXNEWS.com ^ | October 17, 2010 | FOXNEWS.com

Posted on 10/17/2010 5:43:56 AM PDT by Son House

Edited on 10/17/2010 6:45:55 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Hundreds of members of the Awakening Councils, a collection of United States-allied Sunni sheiks and their militia forces, have quit or been dismissed from their positions in the past few months, the New York Times reported Saturday.

Iraqi government officials say that the fighters, known as Sahwa, have left as a result of an intensive recruiting campaign by the Sunni insurgency and rejoined Al Qaeda. Many have extensive knowledge of the U.S. military, the Times said, adding that it is possible that thousands of the fighters who are working for the government are simultaneously assisting the insurgency.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; iraq; quit; rejoin; sunni; waronterror
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I don't know what to comment to this one, there's so much to be said, but I'll get it posted, as it would seem the Troops already know this, and the most of the rest of us got to get up to speed.
1 posted on 10/17/2010 5:43:59 AM PDT by Son House
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To: Son House
Report: Sunni Allies in Iraq Quit to Rejoin Al Qaeda

Nice attempt at kicking that football, again, Charlie Brown.

2 posted on 10/17/2010 5:47:00 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (3(0|\|0/\/\1($ 101: (4P174L1$/\/\ R3QU1r3$ (4P174L. Could it be any more simple?)
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To: Son House

All we need is to reserve some Hueys and find the right tall building to pick up the last of our people. Someplace photogenic, with a nice flat roof that can go down in history. :(


3 posted on 10/17/2010 5:49:14 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Son House

I wonder how the negotiated peace with the Taliban is going to work out once we leave Afganistan?? Our problems will all be over.


4 posted on 10/17/2010 5:50:11 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Gadsden1st

I wonder how our negotiated peace with the Democrats is going to work out once we get Obama out of office?? Our problems will all be over.


5 posted on 10/17/2010 5:52:34 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Yep, Democrats ran on getting us out of Iraq in 2006,

Harry Reid, “that this war is lost”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niPmXym7u3g


6 posted on 10/17/2010 5:54:41 AM PDT by Son House (Democrats Starve The Private Sector, Yet Expect The Economy To Grow. The Recovery to Nowhere!)
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To: Gadsden1st

Yep,

U.S. on Target to Remove Combat Troops From Iraq by Month’s End
Published August 19, 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/19/double-civilian-force-iraq-withdrawal/


7 posted on 10/17/2010 5:59:10 AM PDT by Son House (Democrats Starve The Private Sector, Yet Expect The Economy To Grow. The Recovery to Nowhere!)
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To: Gadsden1st; PastorBooks; Son House; IllumiNaughtyByNature

You all summed this up very nicely.


8 posted on 10/17/2010 5:59:19 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: Son House

Thats exactly what happens when you play nice in War.


9 posted on 10/17/2010 6:13:28 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Son House

This compassionate war worked out very well for the enemy,they are supposed to be dead BTW and us gone long ago,But we disband the Iraq Army and play games with the “great Religion”.


10 posted on 10/17/2010 6:25:21 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Son House

How’s that date certain for withdrawal working out? Works like this every time it’s tried. ;-)


11 posted on 10/17/2010 6:27:39 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Son House

Arabs will be Arabs.


12 posted on 10/17/2010 6:39:52 AM PDT by HearMe
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To: Son House

The US is arming and funding and training a Palestinian Army, to, you know, “fight terrorists”.

What could go wrong?


13 posted on 10/17/2010 6:43:04 AM PDT by HearMe
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To: Allegra

Comments?


14 posted on 10/17/2010 6:48:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Son House
What Patraeus had achieved, Obama has undone.
15 posted on 10/17/2010 6:49:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Maybe if we double their pay they will come back on our side again. /sarc

Actually, Patraeus' policy was absurd from the beginning. It is like trying to stop US crime by bribing criminals with guns, training, and a salary.

Now the Sunnis have been fed, rested, and stocked up with weapons and ammo.

16 posted on 10/17/2010 7:01:28 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Son House

There are no moderate muslims. They all read the same book. It is an absolute oxymoron. The true problem is you can not interpet it like the Bible. The criminal’s words can not be doubted. That is the fear we should all have against this horde.


17 posted on 10/17/2010 7:02:11 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: cameraeye
There are no moderate Muslims. They all read the same book. It is an absolute oxymoron. The true problem is you can not interpret it like the Bible. The criminal’s words can not be doubted. That is the fear we should all have against this horde.

Somewhere along the line a Muslim has to decide whether to be an Infidel collaborator,which is forbidden in the Koran , or to do Allah's biding -subjugate, convert or kill all people who do not believe there is only one God and Muhammed is his prophet.
Major Hasan made his decision at Fort Hood.
The Iraqi and Afghani Muslims have that same decision confronting them.- Tom

18 posted on 10/17/2010 7:13:18 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Actually, Patraeus' policy was absurd from the beginning.

Not necessarily. It depends upon whether there are real dividends to peaceful coexistence or whether returning to religiously sanctioned theft is more profitable.

19 posted on 10/17/2010 7:13:43 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Son House

The answer is as simple as Sunni, Shia and Kurd. They really don’t want to be a part of each other, so why force it?


20 posted on 10/17/2010 7:15:58 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: FreedomPoster; Sarajevo
Comments?

I'm going to defer to the FReeper who is in Anbar Province where the Awakening Councils began, until I have more information.

21 posted on 10/17/2010 7:19:18 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Carry_Okie

***What Patraeus had achieved, Obama has undone. ***

Absolutely!


22 posted on 10/17/2010 7:41:20 AM PDT by kitkat (OBAMA hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: Son House

bflr


23 posted on 10/17/2010 7:48:47 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; dervish; ...

Thanks Son House. Obama’s fault.


24 posted on 10/17/2010 7:53:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Carry_Okie
It depends upon whether there are real dividends to peaceful coexistence or whether returning to religiously sanctioned theft is more profitable.

As I understand it, Iraqi Sunnis consider themselves to be vastly superior to Iraqi Shiites and Kurds. A permanent American force is required to make the Sunnis to serve under the American-installed Shiite-Kurd government. If American power ever recedes, Sunnis will seek to regain the domination of Iraq they previously had under Saddam.

25 posted on 10/17/2010 8:00:20 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
As I understand it, Iraqi Sunnis consider themselves to be vastly superior to Iraqi Shiites and Kurds.

And even more superior to infidels, but it didn't keep them from working with Petraeus, did it?

26 posted on 10/17/2010 8:05:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: kitkat

We must wrap up Afghanistan within the year to be able to send Petraeus to Iraq. (next Obama sound bite)


27 posted on 10/17/2010 8:08:53 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: mas cerveza por favor; FreedomPoster
If American power ever recedes, Sunnis will seek to regain the domination of Iraq they previously had under Saddam.

Actually, at this time, it's the Iran-funded Shia militant groups who are poised to take Iraq if we should ever fade away.

The US will have a presence here in Iraq for the foreseeable future, though.

28 posted on 10/17/2010 8:10:26 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Son House

Yep, Obama ended the war. Back to promoting Obamacare...

Barack Obama ends the war in Iraq. ‘Now it’s time to turn the page’

US president delivers on key election promise and thanks troops for ‘job well done’ – but cautions against triumphalism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/01/obama-formally-ends-iraq-war


29 posted on 10/17/2010 8:21:39 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Son House

They’re looking out for their own future.


30 posted on 10/17/2010 8:30:48 AM PDT by cookcounty (Dec 31st is coming: .....Stop Bark-bark Obama's Midnight Jack-Up!)
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To: Allegra

Wasnt Saddam a Sunni? Holding power over the larger Shia population by force & terror?

I dont know if they can ever work together long enough to attack a common enemy. Instead it sounds like they are too busy fighting each other.


31 posted on 10/17/2010 8:32:18 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Carry_Okie
And even more superior to infidels, but it didn't keep them from working with Petraeus, did it?

As I understand it, the division is more racial than religious. Kurds are religiously Sunni, but racially distinct from the rest of Iraqi Sunnis. The Iraqi race-group called "Sunni" considers itself to be racially superior to all the other Iraqi races. Foreign races are another matter.

32 posted on 10/17/2010 8:37:55 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Allegra

As I understand it, Iraqi Shiites already dominate the current government and have ethnically cleansed the Sunnis from Bagdad. All Iraqi Shiites are pro-Iranian. Is this not true?


33 posted on 10/17/2010 8:42:18 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Son House

Where’s the button? Get our people out of there, and I’ll push it. Waste all of those pissants and let God sort them out!


34 posted on 10/17/2010 8:51:25 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
As I understand it, Iraqi Shiites already dominate the current government and have ethnically cleansed the Sunnis from Bagdad. All Iraqi Shiites are pro-Iranian. Is this not true?

Not at all. If anything, there are more Sunnis in Baghdad than there are Shiites. The Shiites dominate the southern cities such as Basra, Najaf and Nasariyah. Baghdad is a mix of everyone, including Christians.

And NO, not all Iraqi Shiites are pro-Iranian. All pro-Iranian types here are Shia, but I personally know many Shiites who don't want any government here that resembles that of Iran's. These people all lived in a secular society for decades and they still lean very much that way. That's why Allawi got the most votes in the March elections - he campaigned on secular government principles.

There are a lot of the pro-Iranian scum here and most of them follow that vermin Muqtada al Sadr. But the majority of Iraqis despise his militant tactics and just want peace.

35 posted on 10/17/2010 8:52:37 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: winodog
Wasnt Saddam a Sunni?

Yes, and lots of Sunnis held favored positions in the government, although there were a couple of high-ranking Shiites and one Christian as well. Saddam wasn't particularly religious.

Holding power over the larger Shia population by force & terror?

After the Shia attempted to overthrow the slimebag in 1991 and failed, yes, he and his thugs did take revenge in many ways.

Instead it sounds like they are too busy fighting each other.

There are certainly power struggles and Muqtada al Sadr's minions are defintely a HUGE problem, but the Sunnis and the Shiites aren't fighting each other as much as the media would have you believe.

However, things have been deteriorating here since March when Iraq held elections but up to now has failed to seat its government. That's where the squabbles are - not so much among the people.

Iraq has recently announced that it is now working on seating the government and al Qaeda has threatened to do everything it can to prevent that.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. *Sigh*

36 posted on 10/17/2010 9:02:06 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Allegra

>>There are a lot of the pro-Iranian scum here and most of them follow that vermin Muqtada al Sadr.

Boy, there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. I still can’t help but think he should have been taken out 7-8 years ago.


37 posted on 10/17/2010 11:57:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Allegra

That would be Mookie al Sadr’s gang, would it not? Haven’t heard much about him of late.


38 posted on 10/17/2010 3:54:00 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Son House

The way folks survive in these horribly violent cultures is to create systems where they can ‘jump’ to the winning side. When a winner’s established, - people rush to that side... it’s called something like inshallah ...


39 posted on 10/17/2010 4:00:34 PM PDT by GOPJ ( - - - - - - Your universe: http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/)
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To: SunkenCiv; Son House; All

It is my most ardent wish that Iraq goes completely to sh!+ and tens of thousands are slaughtered. And that our "mission" there is seen as a complete failure. And all those billions of dollars "spent" a complete waste.


40 posted on 10/17/2010 4:13:20 PM PDT by bigheadfred (wogga la hooga)
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To: Rappini

What do you want?


41 posted on 10/17/2010 5:52:10 PM PDT by jd777
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To: jd777

We shouldn’t have allied with the Sunnis or anyone else in that region. When you go to War you go win then after it’s over fix it all back up and leave.


42 posted on 10/18/2010 8:35:26 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Son House; gandalftb; SunkenCiv; TigerLikesRooster; nuconvert

Iran sends another dangerous Shia terror commander back to Iraq
By Bill RoggioOctober 18, 2010
Another Shia terror commander who takes orders from Iran has recently returned to Iraq, heightening fears that violence in the quiet Iraqi south may spike.

Iran has sent Abu Mustafa al Sheibani, the commander of the notorious Sheibani Network, back to Iraq to reorganize his fighters, US military and intelligence officials told The Long War Journal. The exact date of Sheibani’s return is not known, but he is believed to have returned to Iraq sometime in the late summer.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2010/10/iran_sends_another_d.php


43 posted on 10/18/2010 12:54:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
ran sends another dangerous Shia terror commander back to Iraq

Good news. Maybe it will shape up to be a real bloodbath over there. :-)

44 posted on 10/18/2010 1:04:44 PM PDT by bigheadfred (wogga la hooga)
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To: AdmSmith

How many acts of war does Iran have to commit before we reciprocate?


45 posted on 10/18/2010 3:34:47 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: bigheadfred

Don’t hold back, how do you *really* feel? ;’)


46 posted on 10/18/2010 4:03:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

And then you would all just call me a psychopath. But that wouldn’t really bother me. I could care less. :-))


47 posted on 10/18/2010 8:42:03 PM PDT by bigheadfred (wogga la hooga)
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To: Allegra
The Awakening Councils (aka al-Sahwat or Sons of Iraq) are former al-Qaeda who were convinced (with the judicious use of US$) to side with US forces back in 2006-2007 and fight against al-Qaeda. This brought retribution upon their families, assassinations, and they were generally shunned by the public for their previous connections with al-Qaeda and for being turn-coats.

The government of Iraq promised to give them civilian jobs, but very few were hired. Those that were hired received menial work. Many joined the Iraqi Army or the Iraqi Police forces. Some were actually given "honorary" ranking positions, but now the Iraqi government is working to strip them of their Army/Police ranks and reduce them to the rank-and-file.

Earlier this year, many were issued their final meager pay by the government of Iraq and essentially told to hit the road.

In essence, they were sold out by the same government(s) that they fought for. With the Iraqi economy still in shambles, and rampant unemployment, it's no wonder that they are reverting to their old ways.

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As an added note, the al Iraqiya bloc, which won by a slim majority last March, has threatened to quit the government if Maliki retains his seat as the PM. This falls right in line with the recent conditions set by the Iranian government for backing Maliki. Iran wants al-Maliki to refrain from renewing the security agreement with the United States after its expiration in 2011 and insists that he tie the Iraqi economy to Iran’s. Al-Maliki must also protect two Shiite militant groups — Asaib Ahl al-Haq and Jamaat Hezbollah — that split from Jaish al-Mahdi, the militant arm of Muqtada al-Sadr’s group. If al-Maliki cannot protect the groups, he should at least leave them alone and not attempt to disband them, the source said.

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What does this mean for the average Iraqi on the streets in Anbar Province? Many have been purchasing weapons for self defense. Others are seriously considering safe haven in Syria or Jordan. I spoke with one Iraqi today who told me that the reason that the security situation is (relatively speaking) calm due to the continued presence of the US forces. He believes that once US troops depart, civil war will begin anew, with an outcome not unlike that which occured in the former Yugoslavia.

48 posted on 10/19/2010 4:37:37 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo
Thank you for the Anbar Province perspective.

That damn Maliki is nothing but trouble. He's a puppet for Iran and always has been. He's only "played nice" with us to get funding.

Allawi won that election and Maliki refuses to cede power, thus creating the deadlock (and subsequent deterioration of the security situation) we see today.

If we had a decent administration back home, we'd probably be able to do somthing about this, but alas, we have the Muslim who favors Iran over our own country.

49 posted on 10/19/2010 10:26:36 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Allegra; FreedomPoster
Allawi won that election and Maliki refuses to cede power, thus creating the deadlock (and subsequent deterioration of the security situation) we see today.

Another side of the issue is that Iraq needs a strong leader to hold the country together. Allawi isn't it. He hasn't demanded that Maliki step down, nor has he taken the proper course of action to push Maliki out.

The Sunni's in Anbar view Allawi as weak and ineffective. Many Sunni's are making plans (i.e. buying weapons and looking for safe haven in Syria or Jordan). They have no doubts that Iraq will return to civil war once the USF depart.

You wouldn't believe how many Sunni's wish that Saddam was back in office. Again- they know what to expect with a dictator. Western ideals aren't working for them.

FreedomPoster- Sorry, I just noticed that I forgot to ping you to this thread.

50 posted on 10/30/2010 4:59:50 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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