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Idaho won't manage wolves under ESA
Lewiston Tribune ^ | October 18, 2010 | Lewiston Tribune

Posted on 10/18/2010 4:14:13 PM PDT by epithermal

BOISE - After talks with the federal government collapsed, Gov. C.L. (Butch) Otter ordered Idaho wildlife managers today to relinquish their duty to arrest poachers or to even investigate when wolves are killed illegally.

Otter rejected the wolf management Idaho has conducted for years as the federal government's "designated agent" after a federal judge in Montana returned wolves to Endangered Species Act protections earlier this year.

This means Idaho Department of Fish and Game managers will no longer perform statewide monitoring for wolves, conduct investigations into illegal killings, provide law enforcement when wolves are poached or participate in a program that responds to livestock depredations.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; banglist; endangeredspecies; environment; epa; statesrights
A bold action
1 posted on 10/18/2010 4:14:16 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: epithermal; Envisioning; ixtl

Thats one tough Otter...


2 posted on 10/18/2010 4:32:36 PM PDT by waterhill (Who got their elk? I did not. Now for whitetail...Hogs are year 'round...)
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To: epithermal

Otter ought to have a meeting with all the County Sheriffs in his State and inform them that they have the authority to order the Feds out of their Counties.


3 posted on 10/18/2010 4:35:06 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: epithermal

This is good, is it not?


4 posted on 10/18/2010 4:38:56 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: epithermal
Way to go, Butch!!! Not that my vote for Gov. Otter was ever in jeopardy, but he just won my support all over again. I love it...a big ol' Idaho "FU" to USFWS!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

5 posted on 10/18/2010 4:42:18 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: bboop

If you prefer States Rights, yes...


6 posted on 10/18/2010 4:43:07 PM PDT by waterhill (Who got their elk? I did not. Now for whitetail...Hogs are year 'round...)
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To: bboop

You decide. Some more info on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2606158/posts


7 posted on 10/18/2010 4:45:38 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: epithermal

There’s one governor that will have no problem winning re-election.


8 posted on 10/18/2010 4:46:46 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: epithermal

I have always desired a wolfskin rug, or maybe a ‘doily’ for the back of the Lazyboy...

Pray for a nonresident lottery on tags...


9 posted on 10/18/2010 4:50:32 PM PDT by waterhill (Who got their elk? I did not. Now for whitetail...Hogs are year 'round...)
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To: waterhill

It sounds like a States’ Rights issue to me. What are the feds doing in there protecting wolves > citizens?? Just taking the pulse of the Idahoans.


10 posted on 10/18/2010 4:51:07 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

There You have IT!


11 posted on 10/18/2010 4:53:14 PM PDT by waterhill (Who got their elk? I did not. Now for whitetail...Hogs are year 'round...)
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To: epithermal

I did decide already, actually. Just interested in feedback from local Northwesterners.


12 posted on 10/18/2010 4:54:31 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Lurker

>>Otter ought to have a meeting with all the County Sheriffs in his State and inform them that they have the authority to order the Feds out of their Counties.<<

The County Sheriffs should already know this if they have an ounce of brains.


13 posted on 10/18/2010 5:01:43 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: waterhill

Now you’ll be able to take heart shots instead of gut shooting them and letting them run off and die in the forest. Skin them out on the spot, salt it and roll it up for the tanner.


14 posted on 10/18/2010 5:04:15 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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15 posted on 10/18/2010 5:36:12 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson; 50cal Smokepole

Don’t ya’ll have wolves in Wis.?


16 posted on 10/18/2010 5:52:13 PM PDT by waterhill (Who got their elk? I did not. Now for whitetail...Hogs are year 'round...)
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To: epithermal

We can even use our guns “Made in Idaho” to shot them with!


17 posted on 10/18/2010 6:00:02 PM PDT by born2bfree
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To: waterhill
Yep. Northern Wisc and Mich. U.P. (where I am now on business). Wisc. has an “Endangered Species” license plate (with a wolf pic on it) for the bunny-huggers with too much money. If a car with those plates is parked for any length of time up here in this neck of the woods, well, they'll need to get a new paint job. And maybe new tires. If they're lucky.
18 posted on 10/18/2010 6:04:37 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: epithermal

This is very dangerous. If Otter doesn’t take care of wolves, the population of elk could grow unchecked. If elk population is unchecked, there will be too much elk dung. If there is too much elk dung, this elk dung will cause be man-made global warming. If there is man-made global warming sea levels will rise. If sea levels rise, the polar bears will drown and New York City will go underwater. The only way to prevent this scenario is to raise taxes and use the money to buy carbon credits from Al Gore.


19 posted on 10/18/2010 6:05:55 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne

+1...


20 posted on 10/18/2010 6:12:06 PM PDT by waterhill (Who got their elk? I did not. Now for whitetail...Hogs are year 'round...)
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To: JimWayne

No, no, you got that wrong. We need an explosion in the tasty elk population. We eat them here in Idaho. Harvesting more elk will reduce the pressure to raise those inferior tasting bovine. Less bovine farts, less imagined global warming. Besides, New York City will make good fish habitat.


21 posted on 10/18/2010 6:17:57 PM PDT by born2bfree (PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals)
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To: epithermal

At last! A truly American act by an American elected official. Christmas has arrived early for the Constitution oriented. First Gov. Brewer and now Gov. Otter.


22 posted on 10/18/2010 6:27:24 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

Who is John Galt?


23 posted on 10/18/2010 7:28:44 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: epithermal

Sitting here in Idaho County, the middle of what used to be THE place to go to hunt elk, I can tell you Otter has stirred the pot and created the splash that was necessary. We need to quit getting run over by these massive unwanted environmental policies that are being rammed down our throats all over the nation.

This is NOT JUST ABOUT WOLVES!

This is an across the board attack on everyone. The attack comes from judges, from congress-critters, from environmental groups, but most of all from unelected bureaucrats with a mandate only to spend money and expand their job descriptions.

Go Idaho! We need to lead the way. Toss the Feds out on their asses and run our own state the way it is s’posed to be run.

The wolves are so bad that you cannot walk in the woods without worrying about your kids every second.

The wolves are so bad that the elk and moose are gone. The hunting business, which is a significant portion of Idaho County business income, is gone.

Hard to force a law enforcement officer to ignore the law. So we’ll see how well Otter’s plan holds up. I cannot see an Idaho jury convicting anyone of shooting an ‘endangered animal’. All the shooter has to say is the wolf threatened them and they are off the hook. That word should get around quickly. As long as you have a good defense reason for the shot, even if it was your pet that was threatened, ID Fish and Game will take a pass on making charges.

SSS

Shoot, Shovel, and Shutup!


24 posted on 10/18/2010 7:55:26 PM PDT by Borderline
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To: JimWayne
If there is too much elk dung, this elk dung will cause be man-made global warming.

Obviously elk dung production will have to be strictly controlled.

A .30-06 should be adequate for the purpose, although YMMV.

25 posted on 10/18/2010 9:06:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: bboop

I still have my wolf tag from earlier this year.


26 posted on 10/18/2010 9:10:10 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: bboop; ForGod'sSake
This is good, is it not?

Oh, hell yeah. If you believe the feds are out of control over the last century and a half, anytime a state wins back some power and the feds are weakened, it's good, even if the feds were 100% in the right on the merits of the issue (and in this case they most assuredly are NOT). If you don't believe the feral goobermint is running amok, you are probably incapable of typing, breathing, or chewing, and we're having this conversation with a virus in your computer.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Should be interesting if the libs in Kali pass medi marijuana, setting themselves up for a fight with the authoritarian liberal feds.

27 posted on 10/18/2010 9:11:00 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: JimWayne
If sea levels rise...New York City will go underwater.

So far your scenario is all pony and no horseshit. I'm still looking for the problem. Oh, I see, the good parts of the country infested with refugee New Yawkers. You have a point.

28 posted on 10/18/2010 9:14:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: epithermal; 17th Miss Regt; 2001convSVT; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Former_Democrat; ...
Thanks Still Thinking!!! And I always thought Otters were easy going little critters... Don't cry wolf in Idaho! This should be fun to watch.

Idaho just gave the federales the finger!





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29 posted on 10/18/2010 9:33:21 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: bboop
I didn't bother buying an elk tag this year, because I have plenty of other ways to waste $30. I've lived here for more than six years now, have bought deer and elk tags every year, but have seen only one small herd of cow elk that whole time (I had a bull tag, so I couldn't harvest any of them). This was also the last year I will put in for an elk draw hunt, because I have better ways to waste $20.

I had the chance to talk with Idaho Fish and Game Director Cal Groen a few months back, and he told me the sale of out of state deer and elk tags was way down, the #1 reason being the effect of Canadian gray wolves on the herds. The general (rifle) elk season is only 10 days this year in most parts of the state, except for the Lolo region, where there is no season at all. It's no coincidence that the Lolo region has Idaho's highest density of wolves.

You want feedback from Northwestern hunters on Gov. Otter's telling the USFWS to stick their Canadian gray wolves up their Obamas? Here it is...way to go, Butch!!! Gov. Otter was already going to coast to re-election (last poll I saw showed him with about a 25-30 point lead over his doofus opponent), but I suspect he'll pick up even more support now. He's certainly won my vote over and over again.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

30 posted on 10/18/2010 10:15:14 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: epithermal
My, my, didn't this one get interesting all of a sudden? My advice to the feds would be to back off while this is still only about wolves. Flooding the Idaho woods with federal agents in order to enforce federal law would not be about wolves.

"The locals are exaggerating, there isn't really a problem" is, after all, what the feds have been telling the citizens of Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas for the last several years. That isn't about wolves either.

31 posted on 10/18/2010 10:16:44 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

I propose a compromise...capture the wolves in Idaho and neighboring states. Transport them and release them near the Arizona border with Mexico...if there are too many wolves, send them to New Mexico and Texas as well. California can fend for itself...


32 posted on 10/19/2010 4:45:35 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Billthedrill; epithermal
My advice to the feds would be to back off while this is still only about wolves. Flooding the Idaho woods with federal agents in order to enforce federal law would not be about wolves.

Many politic personalities wish to reclaim Idaho's own land, and repeal the 17th Amendment. This should be good :)

33 posted on 10/19/2010 4:49:40 AM PDT by Idabilly (Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right...)
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To: wku man
Look at this ...

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_1ae38b6f-0d8d-5529-8b53-03d5118ce217.html

34 posted on 10/19/2010 7:06:12 AM PDT by Idabilly (Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right...)
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To: Idabilly
I don't care what anybody says, a 180lb wolf is a lotta wolf. The head on that thing is massive!
35 posted on 10/19/2010 10:26:57 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
I spend much time in these woods, and this video tells the story. This isn't me, just another Idabilly :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k35v2VBT7w&feature=related

36 posted on 10/19/2010 12:18:50 PM PDT by Idabilly (Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right...)
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To: Idabilly
I spend much time in these woods, and this video tells the story.

Sounded like the wolves were getting closer didn't it? That could get a little spooky, especially if it were some of those big muthas. Of course just waving their arms would have likely sent the pack, er, packing.

37 posted on 10/19/2010 1:10:24 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: wku man

Interesting. I figured that the wolves were WAY out of control up there. I hope this guy wins big.

In fact, there sure are a lot of feisty We-the-People type Americans coming forward in lower offices these days, from every nook and cranny. It’s very encouraging.


38 posted on 10/19/2010 1:17:45 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: ForGod'sSake
I usually carry a sidearm for bears and such. My weapon of choice was one of my .44 mags. Most of the time the 4" Redhawk loaded with my special Ingredients would tag along - 265 gr Hornady soft point pushed by 22.5 gr of H110 .

I now carry a .45 Kimber with plenty of magazines :)

39 posted on 10/19/2010 1:30:11 PM PDT by Idabilly (Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right...)
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To: Idabilly

Can’t go wrong with those. Some serious firepower you got there bud.


40 posted on 10/19/2010 3:49:34 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: Idabilly
Many wolf huggers, especially those back East, confuse Canadian Gray Wolves with timber wolves, which are much smaller and cuter. They hear "wolf", and they think of Two Socks, the cute wolf from Dances With Wolves, who took the piece of jerky from John Dunbar's hand. They don't realize that Canadian Gray Wolves, which the Northern Rockies have been saddled with, are the serial killers of the animal kingdom.

Congrats to the young hunter who saved 100 elk by killing that bloodthirsty four legged serial killer.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

41 posted on 10/19/2010 4:16:34 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: Idabilly
I usually carry a Blackhawk in .45 LC as a sidearm. After watching that video, I think I'll start carrying my 1911 also.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

42 posted on 10/19/2010 4:25:37 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: GladesGuru

At last! A truly American act by an American elected official.

Not, as I hear, when it comes to wide loads headed for Canadian oil fields, traveling on narrow, curvy two-lane roads in North Idaho. Google “big loads idaho otter” for information. He must be getting some money from Exxon.

Read more here...
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/17/1305240/otter-wants-10-million-bond-for.html

From the article
“Many Idahoans are worried the oil giant’s plan to ship 200 of the Korean-built modules - 24 feet wide, 30 feet tall and 162 feet long - will increase the risk of a major foul-up in the Lochsa canyon east of Kooskia. The shipments exceed the legal capacity of U.S. 12, which snakes up the Clearwater River past Orofino and into Montana.”

The Dem congressman wants a delay.


43 posted on 10/19/2010 4:54:42 PM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: wku man
I usually carry a Blackhawk in .45 LC as a sidearm

After my better half purchased a Ruger Montado in .45 LC, I want one myself. Just add a Doc Holliday holster for concealed carry.

"I'll be yore Huckleberry":)))

44 posted on 10/20/2010 6:25:25 AM PDT by Idabilly (Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right...)
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To: Idabilly
Yeah, buddy! My Blackhawk's a nail driver at 25 yards. Granted, not as much knockdown power as a .44, but enough to give Braer Bear and Braer Wolf something to think about.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

45 posted on 10/20/2010 12:14:37 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Please remove from list. Thanks bunches!


46 posted on 10/26/2010 12:44:26 PM PDT by cblue55 (Envisioning when all that is left is the right.)
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To: cblue55

Done.


47 posted on 10/26/2010 12:50:49 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Thanks! Great stuff... on so MANY levels.


48 posted on 10/30/2010 5:54:49 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Smart Growth"... isn't.)
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