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State lawmakers preparing citizenship legislation (no citizenship to children of illegals)
Associated Press ^ | 10-20-10 | PAUL DAVENPORT and AMANDA LEE MYERS

Posted on 10/19/2010 12:30:31 PM PDT by Justaham

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To: reaganaut1

The parents committed crimes by coming here illegally. I sincerely doubt they care about their children other than to use them as a reason NOT to be deported.

We put people in prison all the time — should we agonize over that just because they have children?

The fact is, felons don’t give a damn about their kids otherwise they would not commit crimes and be sent to prison. The same goes for illegal aliens, only in their case the whole family gets deported, as there is no cruelty in keeping families together, now is there?

I don’t buy their cries, “But we did it for our children”. Bull poop!


41 posted on 10/19/2010 2:32:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: reaganaut1

Right now the law is written so that custody follows the parents, not the child.

When the illegal parents are deported, the minor child, REGARDLESS OF CITIZENSHIP, goes with the parents.

The US citizens is free to return upon reaching 18. HOWEVER any children born of that citizen are only citizens of the usa IF the parent US citizen has spent ten years in the USA.

uscis.gov


42 posted on 10/19/2010 2:41:56 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: W. W. SMITH

http://www.uscis.gov

born in the US means US citizen.

That said, the law need to be changed. Constitution or mere law. The original reason for the 14th automatically granting citizenship is no longer present. It is also from an era where STATES controlled immigration.


43 posted on 10/19/2010 2:44:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Justaham
The efforts by the state legislators come amid calls to change the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment, which grants automatic citizenship to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants

At first glance I would say this is a smokescreen and a fake, meant to accomplish the opposite of the entitled purpose. Grandstanding. Bullshiite.

In point of fact, the 14th Amendment DOES NOT in any way, shape, or form grant citizenship to the children of those in the country illegally. In point of fact, neither does it offer citizenship to the children of visitors here legally.

We are dealing with a generous custom, which must now be ended; nothing more. It can be ended tonight by nothing more than an executive order.

What the 14 state legislatures ought to be doing is insisting that Presidential candidates be "Natural Born Citizens," as required in the COTUS. Once and for all, that is what needs to be defined, with the original intent of the Founders clearly in mind.

By denying the present POTUS a p[lace on state ballots, which is clearly within their power, this definition can be settled by the SCOTUS. Has to be done, even if the lesbo-commies now seated toss the case for Obama.

44 posted on 10/19/2010 4:53:23 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Revive The Poll Tax and Literacy Requirement for voter registration.)
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To: SatinDoll

Amen, and well said. If we ever actually did it, of course there would be reams of sob stories in the media. “Poor, poor Juan or Maria...born in the US...it’s the only home they’ve ever known...now they are cruelly denied citizenship, wrenched from the only home they’ve ever known, deported by this hateful, racist country,” blah, blah, blah.

But it MUST be done. We must be strong. We must stand firm. We must do it.


45 posted on 10/19/2010 7:38:04 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: alexandria

And the states can quit sending money to the feds. If the entire IRS wants to descend on these taxpayers, I guess the taxpayers will be waiting for them.


46 posted on 10/19/2010 8:54:19 PM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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47 posted on 10/19/2010 9:33:49 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: Nea Wood

We must follow the law. If we don’t, this nation will fly apart from anarchy.

For me, the most visible cases of lawlessness is the proliferation of illegal aliens throughout the land.


48 posted on 10/19/2010 11:32:26 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Justaham

I’m pretty torn on this issue. On the one hand, if our government did it’s job, then this action would not be an issue. In addition, I am willing to admit that our Founders were much more wise than I can even imagine, so I am very hesitent to changing the USSC.

On the other hand, the gov is neglecting to do their duty.


49 posted on 10/20/2010 9:16:31 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: mlo

“The actual meaning of “under the jurisdiction” is settled law and it has a known meaning.”

I appreciate your postings and was hoping to see a couple of FReepers debate the issue. I do need the learnin.

That said, your phrase above is meaningless to me. We could also state thet “seperation of church and state” and “legal abortion” are also settled law as interpretations of the USSC. I’d prefer to default to the original intent.


50 posted on 10/20/2010 9:26:33 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM; All

The current ‘interpretation’ of the 14th is wrong!

The man wrote the fourteenth’s citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan:

This amendment which I have offered [citizenship clause to the fourteenth amendment] is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.[10]

http://idexer.com/articles/newt_14th.htmc


51 posted on 10/20/2010 9:32:24 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Thank you. Reading that passage leads me to believe that the “citizenship” question was revolving around a state discussion. I wonder if they were debating how to ensure that all states recognized the citizenship of the remaining states....

Just a guess....


52 posted on 10/20/2010 9:37:58 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: longtermmemmory
History and the reason for that amendment support that plain meaning.
Then you need to reread the congressional debates and work on your reading comprehension.
53 posted on 10/20/2010 11:52:21 AM PDT by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: longtermmemmory
That said, the law need to be changed. Constitution or mere law. The original reason for the 14th automatically granting citizenship is no longer present. It is also from an era where STATES controlled immigration.
Actually, states controlled STATE CITIZENSHIP, not immigration. The issue back in the 1800's was that immigrants were allowed into the country by the federal government, but they were failing to acquire state citizenship and the rights granted to them. As a result, Amendment XIV was ratified to ensure everyone who was a U.S. Citizen was also a state citizen and was granted all the rights granted to other state citizens.

Amendment XIV is considered to be the "great equalizer" to ensure laws were consistant across the nation. Some will argue that it ruined the sovereign power of each state. And to a point, they would be correct.
54 posted on 10/21/2010 3:28:44 PM PDT by BocoLoco
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