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To: allmendream
Nothing in science precludes God. Many Christians embraced the scientific data that points to a “Big Bang” because it so closely comports with the theology that there WAS a beginning to the universe (many previously thought the universe might not have a beginning).

Did God spring forth from the Big Bang or was the Big Bang an Act of God? Or was God surprised by the whole Big Bang thing? Or does God just not exist? Those are the 4 "Big Bang stories of creation" to consider.

Which ONE of the Four Big Bang stories is the one taught in schools?

Believing that God caused the Big Bang even with a timeline of millions of years is still a "creationist" worldview. Anyone who believes in God as creator is a creationist. But even those who beleive in the no god god of Atheism still believe a creation story of how everything came to be.

Saying "science proves my religion of atheism" is still pushing a religion on pupils.

The schools are already doing with when they say "homosexuality is not sinful or immoral". That is contrary to other religious views.

When they use "Gaia" as a concept to promote the Global Climate Change bunk, that is pushing a religion on the students as fact.

50 posted on 10/20/2010 12:06:52 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: a fool in paradise
None of the four strawmen you put up would be Constitutional to teach, and none of them would be scientific in the slightest, sad that I have to point this out to you.

“Did God spring forth from the Big Bang or was the Big Bang an Act of God?” Science cannot answer the question nor is it an appropriate area of discussion when discussing the EVIDENCE for the Big Bang and how it fits the theory.

“Or was God surprised by the whole Big Bang thing?” Same as above

“Or does God just not exist?” Same as above.

“Those are the 4 “Big Bang stories of creation” to consider.”

Isn't that just 3? Either way neither has ANYTHING to do AT ALL with the scientific theory of the “Big Bang” or the evidence that supports it.

If a teacher were to say “Science proves my religion of atheism” they should and would be fired - just as if a teacher were to say “Science proves my religion of Christianity” or “History proves my religion of Mormonism” or “Science proves my religion of Islam”.

Science is not atheism. Atheists of course must accept physical explanations for physical phenomena, but does it follow that believers must therefore always and exclusively accept supernatural explanations for physical phenomena?

Most scientists in the USA have faith in God.

52 posted on 10/20/2010 12:34:48 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: a fool in paradise

The problem that I see is that the anti-creationists insist that their view is “neutral”. There is no such thing.
It’s even worse when creationists try to concede that point.


54 posted on 10/20/2010 12:38:12 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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