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Fort Hood shooter had 177 unspent rounds (Article 32 Testimony)
San Antonio Express News ^ | 10/20/2010 | Scott Huddleston

Posted on 10/20/2010 12:58:58 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

FORT HOOD — Military investigators said the gunman in the shooting rampage last Nov. 5 hadn't used even half of his ammunition.

The testimony this morning in the Article 32 hearing of Maj. Nidal Hasan revealed that the shooter had 177 unspent rounds, compared to the 146 discharged rounds recovered at the scene.

Those numbers suggest that the shocking incident, which left 13 dead and dozens more wounded, could have been much, much worse had it not been for the quick actions of two civilian police officers on the post who also testified today.

Officer Kimberly Munley, who arrived at the scene with police Sgt. Mark Todd right behind her, said she saw the gunman outside a building just north of the "medical SRP," or Building 42003, where the shooting began at the Solider Readiness Processing complex.

Munley said she couldn't fire her M-9 service pistol at first, because people were running behind the assailant.

"I didn't want to have any friendly fire," she testified. "So I could not get an accurate shot."

As the suspect went around the building, Munley went around the other side and exchanged gunfire with him. She said she fired at least six shots. Todd testified that he started to follow the gunman and then went the other direction as bystanders told him, "He's over there."

Munley received a superficial wound on her hand and was shot twice in the legs. Her gun malfunctioned, and the gunman kicked it out of her hand, she said.

As Munley tried to drag herself toward her weapon, the suspect then seemed to have problems with his gun, she said. Todd said he saw Munley lying on the ground, with the shooter about 20 feet away. He yelled at the man to drop his weapon.

When the suspect shot at him, Todd returned fire with five rounds, he said. The man slid down a telephone pole onto his back, and Todd rushed him, handcuffed him and removed his weapons and ammunition.

Duane Mitchell, special agent with the Army's Criminal Investigation Division, said authorities recovered five loose unused rounds and another 172 rounds in seven full or partly full magazines. The gunman used a 5.7-millimeter pistol with a laser sight that emitted a green beam for daylight use and red beam for darker lighting, he said.

Kelly Jameson, lead investigator in the case with Army CID, said 146 spent rounds and six empty magazines were recovered at the scene.

In earlier testimony late Tuesday, Sgt. 1st Class Maria Guerra, noncommissioned officer in charge of medical processing in the building, testified that the gunman deftly and efficiently changed magazines without hesitation, "like one motion."

Mitchell said receipts indicated Hasan had purchased "watch-type batteries" to power the laser sight just days before the shooting. Cells to power the red laser were purchased on Nov. 2, he said. The next day, Hasan went to a different store to buy stronger batteries needed for the green laser, Mitchell said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; domesticterrorism; fthood; hassan
Duane Mitchell, special agent with the Army's Criminal Investigation Division, said authorities recovered five loose unused rounds and another 172 rounds in seven full or partly full magazines. The gunman used a 5.7-millimeter pistol with a laser sight that emitted a green beam for daylight use and red beam for darker lighting, he said.

Just Damn.

1 posted on 10/20/2010 12:59:04 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Mark my words, this POS will NOT get the death penalty.


2 posted on 10/20/2010 1:00:12 PM PDT by TSgt (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho - 44th and current President of the United States)
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To: Responsibility2nd
...much worse had it not been for the quick actions of two civilian police officers...

It would have ended much sooner if the soldiers, marksmen most, were permitted to carry weapons on base. Kudos to the police officers.

3 posted on 10/20/2010 1:03:18 PM PDT by Never on my watch (Why does the Left think Muslims are going to behave as Christians?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Her gun malfunctioned..”

“the suspect then seemed to have problems with his gun.”

This is what I fear about carrying a semi-auto.

I might rethink...


4 posted on 10/20/2010 1:06:37 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Never on my watch

I know lots of people in the Tidewater VA area that would like for that to happen.


5 posted on 10/20/2010 1:08:09 PM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Facts show this was definitely premeditated and well planned. Too bad they didn’t kill the POS, but maybe some of these facts will wake people up.


6 posted on 10/20/2010 1:09:51 PM PDT by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: Pessimist

At least a small .357M or .44M for back-up.


7 posted on 10/20/2010 1:13:26 PM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Admin Moderator

Testamony???

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Geez. That’s the last time I ask a mod to correct my spelling when I screw up a word!

lololol

But hey. I spelled it testomy. So who am I to talk.


8 posted on 10/20/2010 1:15:09 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Never on my watch

This whole thing would have ended much sooner if someone had just managed to kill this freak on the spot.


9 posted on 10/20/2010 1:15:32 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Never on my watch

Ya, a very sad part of this story is that on a military base, of all places, the weapons were locked up somewhere.

And Hassan as a military man knew this. He knew full well that he would have lots of time to kill lots of people before he would be stopped.


10 posted on 10/20/2010 1:15:46 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m glad to have this full account of the incident. All of the early reports said that Officer Munley shot that scum, but there were a few later reports suggesting that maybe Todd was the copy who wounded him.

Both officers deserve great thanks for their bravery, in any case.

Too bad they didn’t kill the S.O.B., since it’s doubtful that the Obamanoids got any information out of him, and it’s doubtful whether he will get the kind of penalty he deserves. And it’s doubtful whether the media will even point out that he is a MUSLIM TERRORIST and that his politically correct superiors failed to act in any way to restrain him, even though he was also totally incompetent and destructive at his job.


11 posted on 10/20/2010 1:17:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: TSgt

Worse, he’ll probably get a security job as a TSA employee at a major airport.


12 posted on 10/20/2010 1:20:34 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Pessimist
The gun this piece of sh*t was using is an incredibly reliable weapon, however he modified the factory 20 round magazines with aftermarket magazine extensions that require burrs to be removed from the bottom inside of the factory mags before the extensions are installed. If these burrs are not removed completely, the longer aftermarket magazine spring can hang up, causing a failure to feed when the magazine is almost empty. In my mind, it never pays to modify a factory design in this manner.

I have no way of knowing if this happened in this case, but this POS certainly intended to kill as many innocent people as he possibly could. It appears he was carrying somewhere around 360 rounds of 5.7 x 28 ammo.

13 posted on 10/20/2010 1:24:29 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: CodeToad

He’s overqualified to be a TSA agent.

He is is a literate college graduate.


14 posted on 10/20/2010 1:27:50 PM PDT by TSgt (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho - 44th and current President of the United States)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Unfortunate the little lady cop couldn’t have shot just a wee bit straighter.


15 posted on 10/20/2010 1:38:11 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: stuartcr
At least a small .357M or .44M for back-up.

What's with the M crap? .357 is a caliber and so is .44, NOT MM.

16 posted on 10/20/2010 1:49:47 PM PDT by calex59
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To: TSgt

Yeah, but he did commit an act of terrorism and negates the professional degrees. He’s now allowed to call himself a scumbag and be a TSA agent.


17 posted on 10/20/2010 1:51:15 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: TSgt

I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED if he was sent to Iran and put in custody of Ahmanutjob! That would just about be what I would expect from our PC, muslim kiss-butt military justice system.

OTOH, if one of OUR military gives a raghead so much as a dirty look he will probably be hauled up before a court martial, pronto, and probably be busted in grade and spend some time in the slammer! Sarc!


18 posted on 10/20/2010 1:57:50 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Dilbert San Diego

He was obviously prepared to die for Allah! Why in blazes didn’t SOMEBODY in the area HONOR that desire that day?! Now we go through the frustration and pretense of this “trial” and will probably see him walk in some fashion! I DO NOT believe our military justice system is prepared to do the hard thing, the right thing, and give this vermin the justice he deserves. I do not think anyone in our stateside military has the stones to confront islam!


19 posted on 10/20/2010 2:03:46 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Ya, a very sad part of this story is that on a military base, of all places, the weapons were locked up somewhere.

When I was in the Army in Germany, I had a 0.45 in my center desk drawer, fully loaded at all times and I don't know who checked it out of the arms room. It was there when I got there and there when I left. When I needed a sidearm for duty off-post,(occassionally) I'd check out a 0.45 or 0.38 (with shoulder harness) from the arms room and leave the other one in my desk. We never had problems with the AGI. Of course, the inspectors never asked if I had an M1911 in my desk drawer. If there had been an unauthorized blanket on someone's bunk, we would have been written up, though.

I should mention that my desk was the first thing you saw when you entered battalion headquarters, so if the Bader-Meinhoff gang was going to shoot someone, it would have been me. Unless I saw them first.

20 posted on 10/20/2010 2:09:47 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (If not Boston, then Texas. Go Rangers!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Fort Hood shooter had 177 unspent rounds

Sounds like my glovebox.

21 posted on 10/20/2010 2:11:28 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (If not Boston, then Texas. Go Rangers!)
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To: La Lydia

Yes, but if he doesn’t get the death penalty, he will spend the rest of his life, crippled and in a wheel chair, crapping in his pants, twice a day.


22 posted on 10/20/2010 2:12:17 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: Redleg Duke

I do not want to pay for it.


23 posted on 10/20/2010 2:13:48 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Tucker39
I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED if he was sent to Iran and put in custody of Ahmanutjob!

Yeah, find a Scottish doctor who says he has three months to live and then he'll find an Iranian doctor who has the cure.

24 posted on 10/20/2010 2:13:55 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (If not Boston, then Texas. Go Rangers!)
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To: La Lydia

I understand.


25 posted on 10/20/2010 2:15:04 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“...the gunman continued firing his .57-millimeter pistol outside.”

That’s not a mousegun, its an insect gun.


26 posted on 10/20/2010 2:47:25 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Note to Leftists- We Will Bury You (politically)
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To: Hacklehead

It’s specifically designed to penetrate body armor, hence the small caliber/high velocity. No other pistol round except maybe the old 7.62 X 25 would even come close to defeating modern bullet “proof” vests.


27 posted on 10/20/2010 3:24:33 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe
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To: MikeSteelBe
No other pistol round except maybe the old 7.62 X 25 would even come close to defeating modern bullet “proof” vests.

Not entirely true. Small caliber, high-velocity rounds like .17 HMR can penetrate both IIA and IIIA soft body armor.

With soft body armor, it's about velocity, not mass. IOW, a little bullet going really fast will penetrate, whereas a big bullet going slow won't.

28 posted on 10/20/2010 3:31:40 PM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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To: Terabitten; MikeSteelBe

A few months ago I was reading an article that had some AP ammo blue prints. The bullets were pointy and had an insert that did the actual penetration of the bullet “proof” vest.


29 posted on 10/20/2010 4:46:06 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Has he taken the Hajj yet?


30 posted on 10/20/2010 5:28:34 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom

Take him down to the closest body of water (or base swimming pool), push him in while still in his wheel chair to prove if scum like this will float. I don’t think he will until the decomp gases cause the body to rise to the surface.


31 posted on 10/20/2010 10:03:31 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: MikeSteelBe

“It’s specifically designed to penetrate body armor, hence the small caliber/high velocity.”

Read it again. The 0.57 mm is about half a millimeter, or 0.022 caliber.


32 posted on 10/21/2010 5:34:40 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Note to Leftists- We Will Bury You (politically)
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To: Responsibility2nd

military attack [’alla fubar’] on base...can we please just take this POS out back and hang him ???


33 posted on 10/21/2010 6:05:29 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: calex59

magnum, sorry I guess I should have spelled it out completely for you.


34 posted on 10/21/2010 6:24:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Gabrial

What kind of weapon was it?

I guess I never heard of 5.7 x 28 mm.


35 posted on 10/21/2010 7:36:43 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Pessimist

“What kind of weapon was it?”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven


36 posted on 10/21/2010 9:18:47 AM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Terabitten

Thanks for the correction. I forgot about the .17 HMR. I guess the old .30 carbine could be a “pistol” round as well.


37 posted on 10/29/2010 4:29:31 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe
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